Confidence Man
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Monty Mole said:
Not if the concept is "pull off sylish takedowns".
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Splinter Cell Conviction Demo Impressions
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Not if the concept is "pull off sylish takedowns".
loganclaws
Plane Escape Torment
V_Ben said:
C'mon, this is not true, tell me you're just fucking around! That's fucking hilarious if true.:lol
Interfectum
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ugh... the demo sucked. wtf have they done to Splinter Cell? who are they making this game for? drooling retards?
hopefully it'll bomb.
hopefully it'll bomb.
Foxtastical
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If only they just made an old Splinter Cell again. I love playing the past.
AltogetherAndrews
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How is the A.I.?
LordPhoque
Banned
AltogetherAndrews said:
Like in others SC games : it's pretty bad.
Odious Tea
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Hoped for PC demo. Downloading 360 demo. Not liking what I hear so far. :/
Confidence Man
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EvaPlusMinus said:
Then they should make a different game, license the Bourne IP, or whatever.
Everywhere you turn once genre-defining games are being muddled and changed to entice the same mainstream audience. Maybe it makes good business sense, but it's to everyone's detriment, ultimately.
zero margin
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That was fun. Definite get.
LordPhoque
Banned
Confidence Man said:
We had four "classic" Splinter Cell games. Do you think it's time for a change ? It's still a stealth game, just a different one. It's not like the series became TPS or RPG.
MomoPufflet
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What the fuck, people jizzing over the action-stealth for the past 8 months now complaining about it? :lol
Interfectum
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LordPhoque said:
No one is against change if it's for the better. There are many things they could've done to improve upon the Chaos Theory formula but still staying to it's roots.
This is stealth for idiots. It might as well be a third person shooter at this point.
Interfectum
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MomoPufflet said:
got any names / posts? who were these 'people' that were 'jizzing' over the action-stealth genre?
MomoPufflet
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Interfectum said:
Like, the entire official/hype thread before the multiplayer bitching.
The Panther noise is only there when you obtain a "Mark and Execute." I don't recall it playing any other time. Playing via VGA at 1080p, I didn't notice too much if any screen tearing in the actual gameplay itself.
The actual gameplay feels more streamlined then anything. I have a feeling there's going to be mixed opinions overall. The people who hate the trial and error nature of previous Splinter Cell games are going to love this one, as it's pretty forgiving even on the hardest setting. On the other hand, the people who loved the style of the older Splinter Cell games and going for "perfect" runs are likely to be disappointed. I personally couldn't care less, as I was never fond of the single player modes of the previous games.
If I pick it up or not will depend on how long the campaign is, and how good the multiplayer is. I kinda wish there was a XBL only co-op level included with the demo, like what Army of Two did.
The actual gameplay feels more streamlined then anything. I have a feeling there's going to be mixed opinions overall. The people who hate the trial and error nature of previous Splinter Cell games are going to love this one, as it's pretty forgiving even on the hardest setting. On the other hand, the people who loved the style of the older Splinter Cell games and going for "perfect" runs are likely to be disappointed. I personally couldn't care less, as I was never fond of the single player modes of the previous games.
If I pick it up or not will depend on how long the campaign is, and how good the multiplayer is. I kinda wish there was a XBL only co-op level included with the demo, like what Army of Two did.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=303161Interfectum said:
Interfectum
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squicken said:
I can't wait to see what Squeenix does to Hitman. I'll die a little inside when that day comes...
Interfectum
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Gomu Gomu said:
*rimshot*
Foxtastical
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Ah, "staying to its roots," that's when I bail.Interfectum said:
Interfectum
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MGS4 has a dude who shits his pants, SC:C has growls and claw marks to let little Timmy know he's pulled off an extreme move. Not sure which is worse at this point. :lol
Foxtastical
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Whats' so bad about the screen going black/white? I don't mind the visual cue to the darkness covering me up.Zeliard said:
Jason's Ultimatum
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It's a bit sad that you can't pick objects and throw them to distract enemies. That's what I loved about the past SC games. There were so many ways to move around levels. Hell, that's what I'd do in real life if I was trying to break out. Pick up a can, rock, anything, and throw it to make the guards/enemies move in another direction. :lol
Interfectum
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Foxtastical said:
You mean having your on-screen character hiding in shadows isn't enough of a visual cue?
LabouredSubterfuge
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I quite liked it. I suck at it pretty badly.
Moving cover to cover is quite nice as is the general fluidity of the movement.
I belong in the group of people who enjoys the mark & execute sytem.
Shooting outside of mark & execute is pretty average (although I've not done it that much to be honest).
Haven't tried the gadgets yet. Should be fun toying with them.
Some of the AI refuses to see you even if you do a little Irish jig in front of them a lot of the time just because you are 'in the dark'.
I'll play more on a harder difficulty setting.
I think the game will live and die on its level design.
The main bad guy in the demo has the stupidest fucking outfit ever seen in a game that takes itself this seriously.
Definitely day 1 for me unless the reviews tank.
Moving cover to cover is quite nice as is the general fluidity of the movement.
I belong in the group of people who enjoys the mark & execute sytem.
Shooting outside of mark & execute is pretty average (although I've not done it that much to be honest).
Haven't tried the gadgets yet. Should be fun toying with them.
Some of the AI refuses to see you even if you do a little Irish jig in front of them a lot of the time just because you are 'in the dark'.
I'll play more on a harder difficulty setting.
I think the game will live and die on its level design.
The main bad guy in the demo has the stupidest fucking outfit ever seen in a game that takes itself this seriously.
Definitely day 1 for me unless the reviews tank.
Foxtastical said:
It's not necessary, and it hurts both the (otherwise gorgeous) visuals and the immersion factor. Not to mention it's fairly insulting to the player. Previous stealth games, including past SC games, had no issue with conveying that you're hidden without doing something as extreme and distracting as what Conviction is doing.
AltogetherAndrews
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EvaPlusMinus said:
It's like every other fucking Clancy game, then.
And seriously, if the A.I. really is bad, then shame on Ubi for once again opting against refining what needs refining, and instead going all "oh shiny" like they always fucking do.
CrazedArabMan
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Jason's Ultimatum said:
2 words...
Sticky Cam
Foxtastical
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You'd rather have a meter telling you just how hidden you are in the darkness?Zeliard said:
It doesn't really bother me, it's a slight visual cue that doesn't take me out of the game. Sometimes a location doesn't look like you'd be hidden there, sometimes it does. The meter from Chaos Theory helped you, now this visual cue helps. Oh well.
But I'd agree that sometimes it can make spotting things difficult.
The AI seems similar to most games out there. Some people will hate it because of a few instances where they catch the AI doing dumb shit, and other people will like it because it's functional.AltogetherAndrews said:
AltogetherAndrews said:
I dunno, the AI's kinda a mixed bag. On one hand, they're alert and a good (but not unrealistc) shot. You certainly couldn't go Gears of War/Rambo on them on the hardest setting given you die just as fast (or faster?) then they do.
On the other hand, they do seem to be fairly easy to lose. I'm not sure if this is because of the new marking system (the game marks where they last saw you at with an outline) or what, but once you've gotten out of their sights well enough you can take them them down pretty easily even if they're still searching for you.
TheLegendary
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I think I'll need to play through again but it definitely felt a lot more SC-ish than I expected based on the way people on GAF have trashed the game. I'm a huge Chaos Theory fan but I'm willing to give this a shot with an open mind.
The best way to describe this imo is that it's just a streamlined Splinter Cell. I'm sure that'll be even more frustrating to some of the die hards (which I would consider myself) because you can recognize the similarities, yet the differences may make it difficult to play it in the same way that you used to. I think it's clear that the rhythm of this game is much quicker than it was in past games. This demo moved very quickly and reminds me of the most tense moments of the past games as far as enemy placement and combat opportunities. The old games had moments like this but also the slower paced moments which I personally enjoyed a lot. Hopefully there are more of those opportunities than this demo let on.
The best way to describe this imo is that it's just a streamlined Splinter Cell. I'm sure that'll be even more frustrating to some of the die hards (which I would consider myself) because you can recognize the similarities, yet the differences may make it difficult to play it in the same way that you used to. I think it's clear that the rhythm of this game is much quicker than it was in past games. This demo moved very quickly and reminds me of the most tense moments of the past games as far as enemy placement and combat opportunities. The old games had moments like this but also the slower paced moments which I personally enjoyed a lot. Hopefully there are more of those opportunities than this demo let on.
Confidence Man
Member
Foxtastical said:
How about not having any cues, like a person acually in that situation wouldn't have any? How about not ever knowing whether or not you're 100% invisible? How about not ever having 100% invisibility in the first place?
Maybe a guard who just came out of a bright room wouldn't have his eyes adjusted to the darkness yet, making it easier to hide. Mabye a guard who doesn't really give a shit about his job won't bother to check down this or that hallway. Maybe another guard just got chewed out, and will be extra attentive.
Model all that stuff behind the scenes. Make it a realistic, unpredictable, and tense experience. That's what I would want from a new SC game.
Foxtastical
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Well, I'd rather play a game instead of daydreaming about what I want from a game.Confidence Man said:
Foxtastical said:
Or how about, ya know, atleast giving people the option to turn it off? Simple.
DualX said:
No. People don't like it because it's fucking stupid. It has nothing to do with the overall game, they're simply talking about that one design choice. Actually two now with the ridiculous panther noise and claw marks after kills. People can still like and enjoy the game. That doesn't mean they have to like every design feature the developer put in. More so ones that don't make any sense.