CrazedArabMan
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NG28 said:
Yep, agreed.
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Splinter Cell Conviction Demo Impressions
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Yep, agreed.
I still don't really understand the projection. It's just like...can the guy with the projector please turn it off? I'm trying to sneak. Well, trying, because it's not super important really. It's been FFXIII'd!
It just doesn't seem very...hard...anymore. You know, like...you don't really have to think about what you're doing. Choice has been replaced with flash. Which is fine, if you're into flash. And more people are into flash than choice.
This isn't to say you can't have fun with it, so I don't really understand the "u can't plz everyone!" stuff. I think Splinter Cell should be able to please Splinter Cell fans. And I do really think it is a big departure, so you shouldn't take for granted that everyone is on board.
It just doesn't seem very...hard...anymore. You know, like...you don't really have to think about what you're doing. Choice has been replaced with flash. Which is fine, if you're into flash. And more people are into flash than choice.
This isn't to say you can't have fun with it, so I don't really understand the "u can't plz everyone!" stuff. I think Splinter Cell should be able to please Splinter Cell fans. And I do really think it is a big departure, so you shouldn't take for granted that everyone is on board.
Confidence Man said:
All these impressions are really bumming me out. I was so excited about this game but my favorite SC's are definitely Chaos Theory and Pandora. I have come to expect a deep heavy experience with these games and I really hope that hasn't been sacrificed. I don't want 24 the game.
Foxtastical
Member
Yeah, I agree, the more options the better.Foil said:
It's strange, the game really feels like it's trying to constantly tell you what to do (from actual on screen prompts to the subtle cues in the environment), but I kept ignoring it and doing what I want to do.
Abnormalia
Banned
I liked Splinter Cell 1-2 very much but was not expecting much from this when I started demo.
I actually liked it. Now I'm waiting for full version.
I actually liked it. Now I'm waiting for full version.
polyh3dron
Banned
Well there's a reason in the story for the shitting.Interfectum said:
â Narayan
Member
I disliked the demo. It seems like this game is going to be a more linear experience than the previous titles. We'll see, I guess. I was really hoping you could have non-lethal take-downs and the like, but it seems like you're really forced to go on the offensive. Maybe I should just play around with the demo more.
Some things that bothered me:
Some things that bothered me:
- The AI is... bad. Not good for a game like this.
- Enemies don't react to bodies when they're in non-alert status. Very strange. Maybe a glitch?
I think it was PAX back in the day where Beland was answering questions about the game and had a bunch of panther banners hanging around the auditorium. He was talking about how he wanted the player to feel like a panther, but I don't think we really needed to hear a panther when pulling off a core move to the game. Gotta wait for the download to finish to see how bad it is.
I certainly appreciate what Ubi's doing with the "billboard" objectives and B&W mechanics, I think of those along the same lines of what Visceral did with Dead Space, to minimize the UI they incorporated things like health and waypoints into the character/environment instead of just flat-out displaying it.
If nothing else, at least they're trying some new things
Personally I loved the demo, maybe a tad too short but I love what I'm seeing.
If nothing else, at least they're trying some new things
Personally I loved the demo, maybe a tad too short but I love what I'm seeing.I thought it was okay, but not as good as I was expecting from the gameplay videos I'd seen, which I thought looked great.
Not sure why the demo was 1.2GB when a large portion of that space consists of high-resolution textures that you can't even see due to the extremely dark environment.
Oh, and the ponytail bad dude has pretty poor voice acting.
And his face during the closeup at the end looked terrible.
The game just seems to lack that last coat of polish.
Not sure why the demo was 1.2GB when a large portion of that space consists of high-resolution textures that you can't even see due to the extremely dark environment.
Oh, and the ponytail bad dude has pretty poor voice acting.
And his face during the closeup at the end looked terrible.
The game just seems to lack that last coat of polish.
RedSwirl said:
Off the top of my head, there are four spots in which you'd need to eliminate all the guards in the demo. There's multiple ways TO eliminate these guards, but no way just to sneak past them.
It could possibly be this level, but I'm more likely to believe the developers were just aiming for a Stealth-Action approach rather then a Stealth-Puzzle approach.
â Narayan
Member
Has anyone stealthed through the entire demo? I wonder if it's even possible.
looks like no?
I'm trying (realistic mode here). It's proving interesting. I love it.
â Narayan
Member
This seems to be a common thing with Ubisoft's games this generation. All of their games feel this way.sdornan said:
Shake Appeal
Member
This and posts like it are breaking my heart. Exactly what I feared.squicken said:
Interfectum
Member
"LOL against change" "lol roots" aside...
Personally, the main reason why I'm disappointed by this demo is Splinter Cell was the last real stealth game left. Now there really is no game that fulfills what I'm looking for in a stealth game.
I can see where this would be an enjoyable game, it just sucks that the stealth genre is basically dead now. This isn't true stealth, more like Batman AA stealth which, while fun, isn't the game thing.
Personally, the main reason why I'm disappointed by this demo is Splinter Cell was the last real stealth game left. Now there really is no game that fulfills what I'm looking for in a stealth game.
I can see where this would be an enjoyable game, it just sucks that the stealth genre is basically dead now. This isn't true stealth, more like Batman AA stealth which, while fun, isn't the game thing.
Well I was also very skeptical about the game but after playing the demo I must say that it's really fun and you can do some cool stuff with the new more action/less clunky approach - this feels like the RE4 of the stealth genre.
The AI is decent, the controls excellent and it looks very good besides the minor tearing and the not so smooth IQ.
Definitely more interested in this after the demo - I can't wait to play the co-op modes.
The AI is decent, the controls excellent and it looks very good besides the minor tearing and the not so smooth IQ.
Definitely more interested in this after the demo - I can't wait to play the co-op modes.
Kano on the Phone
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Awesome. Day 1.squicken said:
I like the old Splinter Cell games if I'm honest. This game is really fast and I never felt like I was totally in control (what with the WIN button kills and all)
I do like the fact you have to earn the WIN button by doing a close kill but it's still ridiculously easy.
Also, can you move the bodies? I couldn't do it I just kept picking up their gun.
I do like the fact you have to earn the WIN button by doing a close kill but it's still ridiculously easy.
Also, can you move the bodies? I couldn't do it I just kept picking up their gun.
Always-honest
Banned
yeah, it's on psn. download it now..................dak1dsk1 said:
you serious?
Thats such a true statement. Even Assassins Creed 2 which I thought was a huge improvement over the first game still has a lot of moments and gameplay mechanics that feel completely tacked on and take me out of the whole game.
Not sure how i'm feeling about this. Jury's still out. It definitely doesn't suck, that's for sure...but it just doesn't seem as fun as it used to. i think maybe i just miss splinter cell on OG xbox. Then again, a lot has happened for me since I played the last splinter cell; I discovered metal gear. Now I'm not so sure I like splinter cell anymore.
EDIT:
I think this summarizes my feelings on the matter. it's cool that you have to earn the execute move, and the first time i did it I was like "wow, that's really cool, kinda reminds me of jason bourne" but the second time it was pretty underwhelming. and i don't particularly care for the black and white...I think it worked really well in the saboteur but within the context that it's used in conviction, it just doesn't click with me.
I'll definitely play it again later, it deserves a second chance with me but as it stands right now after playing the demo i'm pretty indifferent on the game, which sucks. the co-op campaign sounded really cool.
EDIT:
D4Danger said:
I think this summarizes my feelings on the matter. it's cool that you have to earn the execute move, and the first time i did it I was like "wow, that's really cool, kinda reminds me of jason bourne" but the second time it was pretty underwhelming. and i don't particularly care for the black and white...I think it worked really well in the saboteur but within the context that it's used in conviction, it just doesn't click with me.
I'll definitely play it again later, it deserves a second chance with me but as it stands right now after playing the demo i'm pretty indifferent on the game, which sucks. the co-op campaign sounded really cool.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
The demo was so short that I'm not even sure I have an opinion on it.
I did a few more playthroughs. I tried to do it stealthily and well, that's a lost cause. On the other hand, if I try to play it in a way where I kill as many enemies as possible at the same time while replenishing my mark/execute then it's surprisingly fun. Doesn't feel like a stealth game at all though. Feels more like a puzzle game where you happen to shoot guys instead of pushing coloured blocks.
DualX
Member
If you say so, I thoroughly enjoyed the demo and fully congratulate the team for making quite possibly the best Splinter Cell title to date and I've played them all from top to bottom including lots of multiplayer. My only thing with the demo was that it took me a bit to get used to the controls.Foil said:
So to get back to your point, how is it stupid? All of the games had a type of indicator to show off if you were hidden or not, the developers were simply going for a minimum hud and trying to show everything on the field just like they did with projecting text for objectives and videos for story. And besides, this "panther" noise you refer to is non-existent, only the sound you get when you receive a mark.
It does. I'm about as hardcore as they come with this franchise and I love this game. Everyone has their own opinion on everything which is why that statement applies not only to this game but pretty much anything. The change could be looked at like RE 1-3 to RE 4-5, and it made the series that much better for doing so I believe the same is happening to Splinter Cell. So in all honesty, the core gameplay hasn't really changed all that much...they just got rid of the horrible "trial and error" gameplay.Y2Kev said:
L0st Id3ntity
Member
OMG!
The demo was so shitty.
The demo was so shitty.
TheFreshPrince
Junior Member
I don't know, I found the demo very underwhelming.
The shooting feels awful, like some C-tier third person shooter, and the graphics are really bleh. After playing GoW and Heavy Rain, and even BadCompany2 and MassEffect2, the people look awful in Splinter Cell. Really, really awful.
I don't like how so much emphasis is placed on auto-moving from cover to cover, and on mark-and-execute. So much of the game has become automatic.
Also, the AI seems way too dumb. Not recognizing me shooting at them from above, getting to absorbed with last-known-position...
I was super looking forward to Conviction...but that felt pretty mediocre.
The shooting feels awful, like some C-tier third person shooter, and the graphics are really bleh. After playing GoW and Heavy Rain, and even BadCompany2 and MassEffect2, the people look awful in Splinter Cell. Really, really awful.
I don't like how so much emphasis is placed on auto-moving from cover to cover, and on mark-and-execute. So much of the game has become automatic.
Also, the AI seems way too dumb. Not recognizing me shooting at them from above, getting to absorbed with last-known-position...
I was super looking forward to Conviction...but that felt pretty mediocre.
Just finished it on realistic, but there wasn't a lot of stealth involved. It's certainly a mix between stealth and action, IMO. There are times when it's better to sneak around and kill a guy, other times when it's better to flat-out shoot motherfuckers with a shotgun. You always end up killing a guy though. Which is fine, Fisher is on a personal vendetta anyway.
Jumping down on some dude and shooting his friends with the mark & execute mechanic is fun as hell.
I played through it twice, taking two different paths into the building. Both were just fucking boring. It feels like an action game where the bad guys shoot at where you were instead of where you are. The last sections was just dumb. So these dudes know they're being attacked. Their master plan is to all face the same direction in a room with pathways above them that surround them. Also just the general movement is a huge downgrade from Chaos Theory, the animations is that game were great, these aren't. Even the cover system is designed to make sneaking around as simple as pressing a button.
Always-honest
Banned
for now.. yes. (and pc) i thought that was well known.dak1dsk1 said:
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Shane Kim?dak1dsk1 said: