Cindi Mayweather
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Would it shock you to find out that we don't run down the halls screaming "racist" at other people and that this problem wasn't perpetuated by interpersonal interaction? Would it shock you to find out that the findings of this study hold very little bearing on how people communicate in 2016?
You sweet summer child. It must be fun not go around and not reading.
Ah even better. I love a smug poster that talks about another country's issue.
The amount of "white people" this and "cis" that on social media means those fighting for equality and understanding are going to have an even more upsetting time of it four years later.
The left chased away so many allies in this recent era over an insane obsession with minutia on truly meaningless shit and theres still no signs of lessons being learned. Now the pendulum swings back hard because liberals arrogantly assumed the right to rule.
Nah, better to overtly call these family members and friends fucking disgusting racists, ban them from Thanksgiving dinner, then cut off all contact with them indefinitely.
Way too many on gaf seem to be preparing to do exactly that (or already have in some cases).
The amount of "white people" this and "cis" that on social media means those fighting for equality and understanding are going to have an even more upsetting time of it four years later.
The left chased away so many allies in this recent era over an insane obsession with minutia on truly meaningless shit and theres still no signs of lessons being learned. Now the pendulum swings back hard because liberals arrogantly assumed the right to rule.
So being Jewish what are your thoughts on Steven Bannon being in Trumps cabinet?I'll be direct and honest. I'm a white (Jewish) Republican, I don't have a racist bone in my body. I live in Southern California and can count the number of white friends I have on my hands.
This election was tough for me, I was a Swing Vote. I went back and forth in my mind between Hillary and Donald Trump.
I started to hear things, when Hillary called Trump supporters deplorable, I thought of my friends and family that support Trump who were also not racist. I began to lean towards Trump.
When friends and family who are liberal began to directly insult my other friends and family who are Republican, I noticed that my family who are Republican we're not arguing back but still being called out and tagged in mean videos and meme's. Again I learned a little more towards Trump.
Although I'm Jewish a lot of my family is Christian. When comments were made about Christians trying to destroy the nation. I remember that my family are good people and they don't want to destroy the nation. And every time I heard an insult along those lines I leaned a little more towards Trump.
When people started talking about Trump supporters being unintelligent and stupid, I remembered that a lot of my family members who are Republican, who work hard. Some owned businesses, while my brother is a welder who went through hell to get his certificate, spent his savings to strive to get a better position in the work force and works extremely hard. I started to get angry and leaned a little more towards Trump.
These little things and many more over time bothered me enough that I supported Trump. My vote was not set in stone, but the things this article talks about doesn't just apply to changing people who are racist. I am not a racist, I'm Jewish and I don't have room to be racist, I hear racial comments on my own enough. But after a while of hearing people I know to be good being slandered just for being in a political party, a lot of which were swing votes as well, I got fed up real quick. And it was clear where I needed to stand.
When I saw that a group of people (Democrats) who claimed their entire message is based around tolerance and love begin display intolerance and hatred, I begin doubting everything else that their messages stood for as well.
This post might make some people mad, might make me unpopular. But it is the truth, and it matters. I figured it was worth noting that there is another side of trump supporters that people keep forgetting about.
The likely never accepted you for who you are they just got used to it. There is a difference between becoming desensitized to something you don't like and putting up with something and real tolerance. Sorry man.
Vox Research shows that you can reduce racism by talking to people rather them calling them racists.
GAF Nah. I'd rather just keep calling them racists, thanks. I am sure this problem will fix itself.
Yeah why haven't people tried that before
Like, white people throwing around these sorts of accusations never considered that "nobody ever tried to talk to me nicely about racism" actually means "I never listened to people talking to me about racism til they stopped explaining it nicely".
When I saw that a group of people (Democrats) who claimed their entire message is based around tolerance and love begin display intolerance and hatred, I begin doubting everything else that their messages stood for as well.
So being Jewish what are your thoughts on Steven Bannon being in Trumps cabinet?
These little things and many more over time bothered me enough that I supported Trump. My vote was not set in stone, but the things this article talks about doesn't just apply to changing people who are racist. I am not a racist, I'm Jewish and I don't have room to be racist, I hear racial comments on my own enough. But after a while of hearing people I know to be good being slandered just for being in a political party, a lot of which were swing votes as well, I got fed up real quick. And it was clear where I needed to stand.
Are we back to saying the election was lost because racists were called racist?
Nope. I am not going to a try to reason with a person that thinks or says I am a nigger, faggot etc etc.
Are we back to saying the election was lost because racists were called racist?
If you want to talk and engage someone's racism, do you.
But it should not be the standard and damn sure should not be expected.
And it damn well shouldn't be used to dismiss another's concerns. Frequently, i hear people say it because they want the conversation to stop.If you want to talk and engage someone's racism, do you.
But it should not be the standard and damn sure should not be expected.
Because, when those jobs won't be coming back and the economy will still suffer, minorities will be blamed.Even more disturbing, personally, is the argument that by caring more about the white working class, the party will somehow abandon social and racial progressiveness.
Like, what? Who says that being more receptive to the needs of those voters will have to come at the expense of minorities? Left my scratching my head.
Yeah, it's horseshit.What evidence is there that that comment had any impact on the election? People are trying way too hard to pin Hilary's loss on Liberals rightfully calling out Trump's bullshit, when the more likely reasons she lost has nothing to do with that.
I knew the narrative that Clinton didn't address their concerns at all was total BS. She actually had a concrete plan about it, but the media never discussed it and just focused on emails emails emails. And well, the only thing she failed to do is to address their concerns with empty emotional appeals instead of boring "facts". Maybe she should have blamed minorities more....clinton had a few more words than "no, your jobs are gone"
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/brief...l-communities/
I love this post.Is this article trying to say that this hypothetical man's concerns are being literally and directly downplayed by a hypothetical politician or racial justice activist? Because that is ridiculous. I mean, someone please fill me in if poor white working class citizens are coming to their representatives for help and are directly being told, "Too bad, suck it up, others have it worse." Because that's what's being said here.
My guess is that this excerpt is referring to the notion that rural white communities are suffering from things like poverty and drug addiction and are unhappy that solutions aren't immediately forthcoming while social issues and similar economic issues in minority communities are being openly discussed by politicians as well. Because, and let's be clear, when poverty and drug addiction were sweeping urban minority communities, the biggest and loudest response was a cry for personal responsibility and the passage of laws disproportionately throwing these individuals in jail. Now that opioids are sweeping through predominately white rural communities, other solutions are suddenly on the table. Don't take me wrong: I'm happy that the right solutions are now being discussed, but it should have been discussed a long time ago when minority communities were suffering without a voice. So to claim that this problem is being ignored is nonsense when, in actuality, those in power have just started paying attention to it because of the nature of the communities involved.
So I'm going to have to push back at the notion that the white working class is being ignored by "politicians and racial justice activists" in favor of minorities. The reality as told to this country by the results of the election is that the white working class is realizing that poverty and drug abuse are not exclusive problems to their communities and are wondering why their needs aren't being prioritized over the needs of communities who have been suffering from these problems without help for decades.
Enough with this nonsense. It has no basis in fact.It's good to feel right, isn't it? Good luck constructively changing the minds of just under half the country by calling them a racist.
If Trump enacts racist policies, I'd hope you'd call them out as racist, sure. But this idea that everyone who voted for him is automatically a racist is exactly what gave rise to him in the first place.
How did you feel when the candidate you decided to stand with slandered and fomented hatred against good people just because of their race or ethnicity?
I'll be direct and honest. I'm a white (Jewish) Republican, I don't have a racist bone in my body. I live in Southern California and can count the number of white friends I have on my hands.
This election was tough for me, I was a Swing Vote. I went back and forth in my mind between Hillary and Donald Trump.
I started to hear things, when Hillary called Trump supporters deplorable, I thought of my friends and family that support Trump who were also not racist. I began to lean towards Trump.
When friends and family who are liberal began to directly insult my other friends and family who are Republican, I noticed that my family who are Republican we're not arguing back but still being called out and tagged in mean videos and meme's. Again I learned a little more towards Trump.
Although I'm Jewish a lot of my family is Christian. When comments were made about Christians trying to destroy the nation. I remember that my family are good people and they don't want to destroy the nation. And every time I heard an insult along those lines I leaned a little more towards Trump.
When people started talking about Trump supporters being unintelligent and stupid, I remembered that a lot of my family members who are Republican, who work hard. Some owned businesses, while my brother is a welder who went through hell to get his certificate, spent his savings to strive to get a better position in the work force and works extremely hard. I started to get angry and leaned a little more towards Trump.
These little things and many more over time bothered me enough that I supported Trump. My vote was not set in stone, but the things this article talks about doesn't just apply to changing people who are racist. I am not a racist, I'm Jewish and I don't have room to be racist, I hear racial comments on my own enough. But after a while of hearing people I know to be good being slandered just for being in a political party, a lot of which were swing votes as well, I got fed up real quick. And it was clear where I needed to stand.
When I saw that a group of people (Democrats) who claimed their entire message is based around tolerance and love begin display intolerance and hatred, I begin doubting everything else that their messages stood for as well.
This post might make some people mad, might make me unpopular. But it is the truth, and it matters. I figured it was worth noting that there is another side of trump supporters that people keep forgetting about.
So the racism was okay but having an anti Semite on staff is a betrayal? I guess it's easy to ignore something that doesn't affect you huh?It angers me a lot. I feel betrayed. I try to remember that he has Jewish Family and try to keep faith that he will not go batshit. Like I said before I was a Swing Vote, and when it came down to it I decided to roll the dice. Maybe it was a good decision maybe it wasn't but Small Things led me to think that rolling the dice was better than taking snake eyes.
Do your family and friends who voted for Trump accept what their vote means in its entirety? Do they feel remorseful for the negative side of what their vote means?
Nope. But think about all that murky grey area where someone who's voter soul wasn't yet cast in either side and how they reacted to constantly being told they were a hateful monster and so on for not liking some entertainment property, failing to see the fuss over a comicbook cover, and so on. They got fed up of being screamed at and more than a few found themselves on the wrong side because at least it wasn't hissing at them.
Fighting racism and promoting equality has to also be about peaceful persuasion and not constantly whacking noses with a rolled up newspaper.
So the racism was okay but having an anti Semite on staff is a betrayal? I guess it's easy to ignore something that doesn't affect you huh?
Comments like this are the exact reason that I cast my vote the way I did. Refusing to look at any other part of this election and demonizing myself and family was enough.
Is this article trying to say that this hypothetical man's concerns are being literally and directly downplayed by a hypothetical politician or racial justice activist? Because that is ridiculous. I mean, someone please fill me in if poor white working class citizens are coming to their representatives for help and are directly being told, "Too bad, suck it up, others have it worse." Because that's what's being said here.
My guess is that this excerpt is referring to the notion that rural white communities are suffering from things like poverty and drug addiction and are unhappy that solutions aren't immediately forthcoming while social issues and similar economic issues in minority communities are being openly discussed by politicians as well. Because, and let's be clear, when poverty and drug addiction were sweeping urban minority communities, the biggest and loudest response was a cry for personal responsibility and the passage of laws disproportionately throwing these individuals in jail. Now that opioids are sweeping through predominately white rural communities, other solutions are suddenly on the table. Don't take me wrong: I'm happy that the right solutions are now being discussed, but it should have been discussed a long time ago when minority communities were suffering without a voice. So to claim that this problem is being ignored is nonsense when, in actuality, those in power have just started paying attention to it because of the nature of the communities involved.
So I'm going to have to push back at the notion that the white working class is being ignored by "politicians and racial justice activists" in favor of minorities. The reality as told to this country by the results of the election is that the white working class is realizing that poverty and drug abuse are not exclusive problems to their communities and are wondering why their needs aren't being prioritized over the needs of communities who have been suffering from these problems without help for decades.
Anecdotal evidence - Bullshit.
It's worked for me on my dad. Calling him out as a racist every time he opened his mouth to say "nigger" when he saw a black person made him stop doing it and feel shame about his behavior. Calling out and shaming bad behavior works.
We absolutely do not have to "empathize" with a lot of forms of racism. Sometimes you just need to tell someone they're being bad.
Study sure is swell but there's no room for these "brief, frank" conversations in the social media space.
So the racism was okay but having an anti Semite on staff is a betrayal? I guess it's easy to ignore something that doesn't affect you huh?
Be kind. Don't challenge him. As a Christian, on this board, i can tell you I've never been challenged in my bullshit.So the racism was okay but having an anti Semite on staff is a betrayal? I guess it's easy to ignore something that doesn't affect you huh?
Comments like this are the exact reason that I cast my vote the way I did. Refusing to look at any other part of this election and demonizing myself and family was enough.
Been arguing the same since the end of the election.
This isn't the way to change things. It only makes people back into a corner and hunker down.
I had to paraphrase the title because it was too long.
Research says there are ways to reduce racial bias. Calling people racist isn’t one of them.
Comments like this are the exact reason that I cast my vote the way I did. Refusing to look at any other part of this election and demonizing myself and family was enough.
Do your family and friends who voted for Trump accept what their vote means in its entirety? Do they feel remorseful for the negative side of what their vote means?
Comments like this are the exact reason that I cast my vote the way I did. Refusing to look at any other part of this election and demonizing myself and family was enough.
Ladies and gentlemen, white fragility at its finest.I'll be direct and honest. I'm a white (Jewish) Republican, I don't have a racist bone in my body. I live in Southern California and can count the number of white friends I have on my hands.
This election was tough for me, I was a Swing Vote. I went back and forth in my mind between Hillary and Donald Trump.
I started to hear things, when Hillary called Trump supporters deplorable, I thought of my friends and family that support Trump who were also not racist. I began to lean towards Trump.
When friends and family who are liberal began to directly insult my other friends and family who are Republican, I noticed that my family who are Republican we're not arguing back but still being called out and tagged in mean videos and meme's. Again I learned a little more towards Trump.
Although I'm Jewish a lot of my family is Christian. When comments were made about Christians trying to destroy the nation. I remember that my family are good people and they don't want to destroy the nation. And every time I heard an insult along those lines I leaned a little more towards Trump.
When people started talking about Trump supporters being unintelligent and stupid, I remembered that a lot of my family members who are Republican, who work hard. Some owned businesses, while my brother is a welder who went through hell to get his certificate, spent his savings to strive to get a better position in the work force and works extremely hard. I started to get angry and leaned a little more towards Trump.
These little things and many more over time bothered me enough that I supported Trump. My vote was not set in stone, but the things this article talks about doesn't just apply to changing people who are racist. I am not a racist, I'm Jewish and I don't have room to be racist, I hear racial comments on my own enough. But after a while of hearing people I know to be good being slandered just for being in a political party, a lot of which were swing votes as well, I got fed up real quick. And it was clear where I needed to stand.
When I saw that a group of people (Democrats) who claimed their entire message is based around tolerance and love begin display intolerance and hatred, I begin doubting everything else that their messages stood for as well.
This post might make some people mad, might make me unpopular. But it is the truth, and it matters. I figured it was worth noting that there is another side of trump supporters that people keep forgetting about.
You were okay with voting for someone who called Mexicans rapists, who openly discriminated against blacks and treats them with contempt, who blames the Chinese for all the economic problems, who hired a white supremacist anti-semite as his campaign CEO (and who is now, surprise surprise, going to be his chief strategist!), who constantly objectify women and brag about sexually assaulting them, who chose the most staunchly homophobic politician as his running mate, who cheated contractors out of their pay, who bullies everyone with lawsuits that so much as look at him funny, who believes climate change is a hoax (again, perpetrated by those damn Chinamen!)...It angers me a lot. I feel betrayed.
The fact that you're still even pondering this boggles my mind. Enjoy Steve Bannon whispering in Trump's ears for four years.Maybe it was a good decision maybe it wasn't
Comments like this are the exact reason that I cast my vote the way I did. Refusing to look at any other part of this election and demonizing myself and family was enough.
The amount of "white people" this and "cis" that on social media means those fighting for equality and understanding are going to have an even more upsetting time of it four years later.
The left chased away so many allies in this recent era over an insane obsession with minutia on truly meaningless shit and theres still no signs of lessons being learned. Now the pendulum swings back hard because liberals arrogantly assumed the right to rule.
It would shock me indeed. Because the reaction here and everywhere else on social media seems to indicate otherwise. People want to feel superior more than they want to fix things.
Lets face it. You have a problem. Half of your country either agrees with racism or seems to be willing to go along with it. You are presented with a possible solution to that problem. Your reaction to that solution is to scoff and deny it with nothing to back up your counterclaim and presenting no alternatives to it.
Instead you would rather feel all superior to those stinking racists.
Comments like this are the exact reason that I cast my vote the way I did. Refusing to look at any other part of this election and demonizing myself and family was enough.