BronsonLee
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The best part of being Hawaiian for me is being able to confuse the shit out of people Re: my ethnicity
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Disney pulls Maui costume
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The best part of being Hawaiian for me is being able to confuse the shit out of people Re: my ethnicity
1964?
Are we really gonna act like this country doesn't have an issue with not saying nigger? They spent the entire day talking about Don King's "n-word" slip.
meltingparappa
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This piece of merchandise from the movie is pulled at a total loss to the manufacturer. Licensing deals dry up slightly because licencors fear a backlash as a liability. Disney determines that a non-white lead isn't as marketable, confirming a biased interpretation of data where Tiana doesn't sell as well as Snow White or whoever.
The next Disney feature film that relies on the main main characters being a vehicle for the true profits in billions of dollars worth of merchandising are whitewashed into a white candy girl, a bunny cop, or anything that doesn't have a direct connection to a real world culture that isn't white.
BronsonLee
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I'm trying to keep things casual, man!
ZombiePlatypus
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And we strived to fix that for a reason. We're not in that era anymore. There's a difference between reverting back to what your'e suggesting, and not wanting to erase any and everything, every time anyone has a bad feeling or hissy-fit.
Having an issue still with the N-word where some people still use it in a hurtful manner =/= it's not considered objectively offensive as a whole.
Child please. Turn on the fucking news.
I'd go further than that, and outright ban international competition of any kind.
Last time I went to the soccer, I was accused of being racist because I was cheering for my team (Australia), and not Japan.
Admiral Woofington
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You know who kept things casual?
Gordon Shumway
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Damn..the concern for kids in here is melting my heart right now.
chaobreaker
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So you can only muster a fuck to give for the Polynesians offended by a appropriating costume if SJWs didn't (maybe) point it out first.
Are you saying this because you don't know or care about polynesian culture? Seems if this was a zulu outfit with black skin, no one would have a problem saying its racist. But its a little lighter and voiced by the rock, so who cares?
Complistic
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They feel their existence is validated again for a little while.
we had the princess and the frog, lilo and stitch, pocahontas, mulan, and whatever else i missed because i don't watch disney movies. if they found minorities to be greatly unprofitable and not worth making movies about they probably wouldn't have made this one. this costume isn't going to be the final nail in the coffin for minority leads.
Gordon Shumway
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Polynesian Community? 🤔
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a lot of my threads involve me fucking up somehow. Perhaps I'm a moron?
It's a GAF thread about race/cultural appropriation. It was doomed from the start.
Hypnotoad
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I went to Disney Resort Shanghai last week, saw Chinese kids dressing up as white Disney princesses. They seemed happy. Too bad I didn't tell they parents how racists they are.
Does the shanghai resort add skin colored sleeves to the princess costumes? I was at CA disneyland, and they hadn't gotten that shipment in. And if they did, yes that would be racist.
ZombiePlatypus
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Where did I say things are 100% taken care of and rectified?
Things don't happen in a vacuum. Context and bandwagonning are thing. Shifting trends are a thing. And these all align.
But let's ignore all that and continue to have an outrage party.
LiquidSolid
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Ah that damned old Political Correctness. Or as Neil Gaiman likes to call it, "treating other people with respect."
Spyder_Monkey
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Yeah maybe because there' s only one Chinese Disney Princess. There's like 20 white ones.
Do you understand the issues people are having with the costume or the movie?
"We fixed it. We're in a different era."
Nope. Wrong. Still largely segregated. Still largely targeted. Still largely forgotten. Only thing different is media is showing it to the world.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
They aren't allowed to sell costumes for the other ones, so they just keep churning out white girls like from a mold.
ZombiePlatypus
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Are you seriously suggesting that us having the glaring social problems that we have today put us socially on the same exact level, environment and social climate as the era where Jim Crow laws were still a thing? That zero progress towards good has taken place?
Hey i dont blame those kids, Mulan is not the best movie you could choose.
I mean that in an enjoyment sense obviously.
excelsiorlef
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You understand the difference between wearing a dress and wearing a literally skin tone eh?
That's rhetorical I know you don't
Looking at the blackface threads... Some people would still have no issues with it. But this thread would be a graveyard.
I always wondered why my niece wore a full body white girl suit before putting on her Halloween dress.
Makes sense now, just getting into character.
Well, now fewer American kids will take an interest in what the costume represents and will...learn a lesson about cultural appropriation? Or they'll keep idolizing white characters and studios have yet another reason to only make movies with and about white people. Whatever, some people on the internet feel better.
LiquidSolid
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No-one's complaining about Moana's costume, so you can keep your straw man argument to yourself.
Dsyndrome
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Again, what world you live in must suck.
Mango The Magician
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...Wow congrats on turning a attempt at promoting a movie into something way more than it ever was internet.
NCR Redslayer
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i call it NA, its pretty laggy.
What?
excelsiorlef
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Huh?
Progressive liberal beacon Berekley, CA regularly and aggressively redistricts county lines to keep money in and the poors out. Oakland has a full-time committee that literally just raises funds for lawyers to fight it. The rules have changed, but the shit is the same. Now they call us thug, and get popular blacks to talk down on us and tell us how much better we should be.
Yes people are getting out, and yes, through sheer force, we have cracked our foot into doors, but we're still severely underrepresented in almost every industry but the private prisons. We have an active 1/3rd of the government fighting to destroy everything we've fought for. And now they're renormalizing white nationalism.
But again, all this is to say that you should just shut up when someone says something is offensive. You have no right to say otherwise, no one does, until generations from now when we might be on an actual level societal playing field.
We have an openly racist presidential candidate. What world do you live in?
elvisaintdead
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At first I thought this seemed ridiculous, and in line with the other vague "cultural appropriation" complaints about Halloween costumes. Then I saw the costume. Brown skin suits are not a good look.
Okay, look, do you know who the terms "outrage culture" and "SJWs" as a blanket pejorative for people who criticize the policies of straight white men were perpetuated by?
Ding ding! White men. Us. Aka the "Mr. Know-It-All" of cultural groups. Aka, the ones who think people should "stop complaining, because from my glorious, venerated perspective, things aren't that bad."
Shut up and listen to the people complaining, especially if you don't look like them. You have no idea how they're treated from day to day. You DO NOT NOTICE the seven people rushing under you with rickshaws full of hay whenever you fall off a cliff, just because of what you look like.
LISTEN. Give the benefit of the doubt for once. Don't just push things away because you don't fall under the umbrella of the affected, and don't wave actual criticism of things away with cries of "censorship," "PC," "SJW," "outrage," "safe spaces," and above all "NOT A BIG DEAL." You only betray the infuriating and bewildering shallowness of your own personal perspective.
Hypnotoad
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I would have too check on that next time, since I didn't go into the Disney store, just went there for the Lego store. But a quick look at different websites selling costumes, I can see that they choose child models with really white skin to advertise them. There are Elsa (well, that character from Frozen, I think that's her name) costumes too, with white wigs.
Chinese sure do love white skin.
A costume of "tattoo patterns on human skin" needed, well, skin, and skin has a color. To solve that little problem, Disney picked a color of human skin, and the color was the color of the character whose costume it is. That character is Polynesian, thus non-white, and thus an association with an ugly history of wearing other cultures/races as a costume.
Good number of Jersey Italian-Americans have that skintone but, you know, that doesn't matter much since there tends to be a reflexive thought of whiteness as pretty damn pale.
Yea, they have some deep seated issues with that.
excelsiorlef
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But yeah just six people on twitter.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/37425447/disney-accused-of-brownface-over-moana-costume
Hypnotoad
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I know what the difference is, I am not that stupid. But I don't see how it is automatically racist. As a kid, we used to dress up as Indians for Fasching too, usually as the "good guys" against the evil cowboys. Some kids painted their skin a bit as part of the attire. There was no bad intent, and the concept of race didn't factor into it.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
Just wait a minute. The movie's not out yet. Someone will complain. It is like rule whatever about the internet about there being a porn version of anything.
If it exists on the internet, someone will complain about it.
ZombiePlatypus
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Yes, we have undeniable issues. And things are pretty heated (and I guess have been brewing for a while). In some ways it's good that it's finally exploding as it's all over media now, and it's become at least a national conversation, and people are talking.
With that said, not all instances of feeling offended carry the same weight. Where do you draw the line? You don't get to say "I'm offended" and then expect for that phrase to act as an end-all, be-all to anything and everything. All this mentality does is cheapen legitimate causes.
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