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Smash Bros Brawl Dojo Official Update Thread: Goodbye, Cherry-don
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I'm not sure what you mean by this exactly, but if you're implying those accidental falls to your death off the side of the stage after a quick air dodge in the wrong direction, those shouldn't happen anymore, as the air dodge doesn't send your character into those blinking paralysis frames anymore.Aras said:
Basically, if you jumped once and used your air dodge, you could still use your second jump after it if you hadn't hit the ground yet. So I think it's likely that there's going to be far less accidental deaths due to air dodging.
I know this is getting into semantics here [hey, have to do something without dojo updates], but for the purpose of my argument Samus' screw attack isn't an item in the Metroid games, it's an ability. Samus doesn't carry a little ball around whenever she wants to screw attack; it's a suit upgrade. The item in Smash just allows other characters to replicate that ability so long as they hold the item, which is a fictitious creation for the Smash Bros games. Again, there'd have to be a Master Sword item or something along those lines for there to be a possible direct comparison.Jiggy37 said:
They don't even hold it now, though--they just attach it to themselves and somehow it gives them the ability, which isn't very different from the way it works with Samus' suit.Meloche said:
Edit: Maybe a new comparison might help. How about the game having a generic parasol item even though Peach also has a generic parasol?
Edit 2: Actually, wait. Speaking of generic items has gotten me into a new thinking process here that might be a stronger argument yet. Let's say there's only one Lip's Stick in the Panel de Pon world. Even if that's the case, there can be multiples in the Smash Bros. world, so why couldn't Lip as a character also logically have one?
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HURGHT said:
Yeah, I meant those accidental falls everybody hates
Hey, that sounds great!!! didn't know that in Brawl the double jump can be done after dodging in the air, I had trouble dodging when a character pushes me out of a platform (while pressing the R Button) and makes me do a jump dodging instead of land dodging u_u and then I just watch my character falling u__u
The Japanese version has a total of 291 trophies versus America's 290 -- the added trophy is 'Tamagon' from Demon World. They also changed the Proximity Mine from the Perfect Dark look to the Goldeneye one for the North American release:Linkzg said:
There were also two bonus trophies that were only available as a bonus offer from Japanese retailers. One was Mario on Yoshi, and the other was Samus Unmasked. There's pictures floating around of both of them somewhere, but my quick search came up with nothing.
Well if they're both just generic parasols, I don't see why there'd be any issue with that. It's not like there can only be one generic parasol in existence... the issue would arise if Lip's Stick was somehow special and unique to her character [again, having played Panel de Pon might help hereJiggy37 said:
]. The thing with the screw attack is that the item isn't necessarily Samus' screw attack, it just allows all characters to replicate it [however it does it, either as something one holds or otherwise]. I'm considering having Lip in the game using her stick would make the Lip's Stick a rival good... it doesn't make sense for Mario to be able to use it when Lip's running around with her own, for example. But I guess either way my question has been answered; the issue of the stick being used by Lip and also being an item isn't a problem for most, and so unless Sakurai thinks like I do we still have a chance of seeing Lip in the game. Works for me. :0)I edited more in later, but yeah, basically I think the thing about Smash is that if canon can be broken once, I don't see why there's anything stopping them from breaking it twice. Having four Links in one match carrying Master Swords around doesn't even make sense on its own, and that's without bringing items into the picture at all...
Jiggy37 said:
But they're so obviously using the Four Sword. It's amazing how suspiciosly alike those two swords look. <.< >.>
HURGHT said:
Thanks, I was going to ask that. It's nice air dodging doesn't paralyze you. I wonder if you can jump, dodge, jump, then dodge again?
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Kandinsky said:
Those trophies weren't in any version, I think. In fact, I bought an Action Replay for the sole purpose of getting those trophies.
Seriously.
Edit: Oh, they were bonuses in Japan. That makes sense.
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Meloche said:
Also, since Topi is different between regions (and was in the original Ice Climbers, I believe), the trophy is different too. In the US Topi is just a little monster thing, but in Japan, it's a seal.
I have the import version, and yes, it's a little disturbing. Nana and Popo club baby seals.
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Thanks for the info! Those are some cool videos on that site.sp0rsk said:
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justchris said:
I can see Kirby being awesome with that.
Oh shit. MetaKnight too. As if he didn't kick enough ass already.
I have to give him credit--it takes some kind of guts to post that many anime smileys on GAF.ShockingAlberto said:
And Jigglypuff.Holy Order Sol said:
Who has better maneuverability than Kirby anyway, unless they changed one of the two.Hmm. That would probably improve the game from a 5.7/10 to a 5.9/10 for me, but that's because I'm one twisted individual.Kulock said:
By far.x3n05 said:
Jiggy37 said:
He speaks the truth, though. In reality, the ICs should definitely be called the Seal Clubbers, cuz that's what they friggin' do best. In both the original Famicom game, as well as JP Smash DX, they continue to club innocent bystander seals and harvest them for their pelts! :lol
It's just another facet for how Nintendo often has a darker side than most would give it credit for. But then again, those of us who have been exposed to the likes of dumping dragons into pits of lava (SMB1), being allowed to stab innocent people (Zelda 1), gamble (Zelda 1) and have organized cockfights (Pokemon) would probably know better. :lol
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Well, if you consider Marth and Roy revealed as nothing interesting then sure.Akinola said:
Where were you people during E for All when were were busily digesting every bit of info that came out? Here are the most in-depth impressions I've seen:
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=121329
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=121329
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Akinola said:
They going to announce EU date and KOS-MOS!!!!
maybe
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Jiggy37 said:
There is a delay of some sort after the airdodge, from what I hear. So you can't just continually airdodge over and over. Makes me wonder how well the purported 'airdodge then counterattack' strategies are going to work out.
Jiggy37 said:
Jigglypuff's air maneuverability is broken beyond belief already, so the extra dodging would just be icing on the cake. I hate fighting my bro's Jiggly because she's so ridiculous in the air, and also because since I exclusively play Samus, Jigglypuff is the only character AFAIK that can consistently interrupt Samus' bomb recovery without killing herself in the process.
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Man God said:
the whole cockfighting concept of the game is kinda twisted.... animals fighting to the death... with fire, electricity, freezing each other, self destructing, etc...
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amtentori said:
Not death, merely unconsciousness/comas.
Although how something like a Pidgey or a Ratata is able to take the thousands of volts that must be generated by an Electric type or survive being doused in flame is beyond me.
TreIII said:
You forgot to mention the ten year olds gambling in casinos run by organized crime (Pokemon), an alien that was inspired by a rape scene in a movie (Mother 2), people body-slamming each other into electric fences (Mario Strikers), and the use of planetary genocide as a legitimate tactic (Metroid).
It's still cool to me if I can dodge someone's up air and keep floating around over their heads, stalling. The other Pokemon will kill the idea, though, with Pikachu's Thunder and Ivysaur's Bullet Seed, and probably Pit's arrows will put a stop to it also, but oh well.Firestorm said:
Especially when they're 3,100-degree flames and 100,000 volt Electric attacks. Or when they get hit by a certain Pokemon that can send a train flying with a punch while also being able to throw 1000 punches in 2 seconds. Or get shot by another Pokemon with water pressure that puts a hole in steel. Or if they get stepped on by an unevolved Pokemon that can jump over Ayers Rock (348m, says Wikipedia) and has hooves ten times harder than diamond. And I haven't even mentioned a single non-first-gen Pokemon. D:Iam Canadian said:
Then again, Pidgeot flies at Mach 2 (this for a base 91 speed?!) and bends trees with the gusts from flapping its wings, so maybe Pidgey has some kind of latent power somewhere in there while unevolved?
Edit: It does kind of make me understand why the single-player quests are so full of noob enemy trainers using pitiful low-level unevolved weaklings. If the Pokemon world were actually full of this stuff, I don't see how anyone would ever logically survive.
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Jiggy37 said:
I guess it's like in Star Wars, where massive battleships like Star Destroyers can cross the galaxy in an instant, but flounder about like beached whales in actual combat.
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Iam Canadian said:
What?
Lavpa Jasai said:
It's true. The whole head-trippy thing behind Giygas/Giegue was actually inspired by when Itoi (the creator of Mother/Earthbound) had an interesting "moment" in his life when he unknowingly snuck into a theater...that was playing XXX flicks.
In a nutshell, Giygas was basically kind of representative of how his young mind couldn't understand what the people were doing on the screen. All he knew was that it was still very, very wrong...
If you want to read more about it, starmen.net's got ya covered.
Jiggy37 said:
That's why I ended up loving the Pokemon manga (the "Adventures" series, starring Red and co., not Satoshi).
They actually had moments were the Pokemon would be able to get hurt, or even die in grisly fashions, such as a Charizard getting its wings cut clean off, or another Pokemon getting impaled or otherwise getting a hole clean through it.
When I first got introduced to this stuff, I was definitely going "GYAT DAMN! Why is the TV show so kiddy, and this stuff so hard-core in comparison?". And yet, in the end, the manga still does adhere to the overall spirit of the games, which is what makes me love it even more than the anime.
For instance, in the manga, Lt. Surge and Koga were not only bad ass Gym Leaders, they were EVIL members of Team Rocket. I thought that was awesome to see Koga portrayed in such a way...
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TreIII said:
:lol Thats awesome.
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Its sick, actually, but I know what you meant.Lavpa Jasai said:
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What's really neat about Earthbound is how much of himself Itoi put into the game. For example, apparently the desert gold mine dungeon (with the five moles who each think they're the third strongest) was inspired by an unsuccessful gold hunting expedition Itoi went on. I wish I could find a source for that, but I know I read it somewhere.
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I hope SSBB covers all genres.
Fighting - Buh
Platforming - SSE
Adventure - SSE
RPG - Add leveling up to SSE
Flight sim - Use the engine from the end credits in SSBM as an Star Fox SSE level
Strategy Mode - Move your pieces around (pieces being SSBB characters, attacking a character results in you going into a regular HP battle with them - enemies can be basic enemies like Goombas, Assist Trophies, Bosses, playable characters, etc.)
Pinball - Simple mini-game
etc.
Fighting - Buh
Platforming - SSE
Adventure - SSE
RPG - Add leveling up to SSE
Flight sim - Use the engine from the end credits in SSBM as an Star Fox SSE level
Strategy Mode - Move your pieces around (pieces being SSBB characters, attacking a character results in you going into a regular HP battle with them - enemies can be basic enemies like Goombas, Assist Trophies, Bosses, playable characters, etc.)
Pinball - Simple mini-game
etc.
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