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Sciz said:
I know the feeling. The music is incredibly diverse and awesome. The huge number of composers is a huge credit to the game.
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I know the feeling. The music is incredibly diverse and awesome. The huge number of composers is a huge credit to the game.
HK-47 said:
Whoa whoa whoa. Since when does suggesting that they should start right away on their sequel to their BIGGEST CURRENT CONSOLE GAME, imply one wants yearly, MP-like updates? Kirby Air Ride sold (unsurprisingly and fortunately) a fraction of what Melee did. And hell, it wasn't even a real Kirby game (which, although would be better than KAR, it would still be a dumb decision). Also, guess what other Nintendo series happens to start development shortly after the last one finishes? It's called Zelda. I don't see yearly updates for that, do you?
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RagnarokX said:What if the most tedious and/or annoying tasks are ones that have unbreakable glass
You can't believe it, you can't conceive it
And you can't touch me, 'cause I'm untouchable
And I know you hate it, and you can't take it
You'll never break me, 'cause I'm unbreakable
Oblivion said:
And Mario doesnt either, but Galaxy only started development 2 years ago as well. Not to mention Sakurai had a falling out with the company, so they had that to deal with. Kirby Air Ride may not have turned out great, but Kirby has always been a series like Mario and Pokemon that gets attached to different games to help them sell.
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Golden Darkness said:
There are three check lists in Kirby Air Ride each reprisenting the three modes in the game. Each list consists of 120 challenges.
HK-47 said:
Yeah, the same goes for Mario. They could have had SMG at launch if they didn't work on some throwaway game like DK: JB.
My point is, they could have outsourced Kirby to some other developer and have their A-teams work on the stuff that actually matters.
linsivvi said:
"Who needs trillions when you could make...BILLIONS?"
HK-47 said:
I played it, actually, and I liked it. But it was a short little game that pretty much sold way under expectations, and took valuable time and assets away from their flagship title.
Tell me this though, in what possible sense were any of these decisions a good idea for business? If Nintendo didn't have Zelda: TP ready, they wouldn't have sold nearly as many Wii's at launch, if they had something like another Luigi's Mansion or something.
No.Oblivion said:
:/ You wouldn't even have Smash Bros. if Kirby Super Star didn't invent the engine.
Anyway, let me put that aside for a moment and reply to your idea that Nintendo should have started on a Smash sequel right away. One difference between a game like Smash and games like Mario or Zelda is that the latter two tend to only get played once or twice and then left alone, whereas Smash is played for several years with the community both not getting bored and still unearthing new techniques. Nintendo's reasoning may have been that, in some sense, the sooner a new Smash gets released, the smaller the longevity of the previous Smash becomes--thus it would be in their best interest not to release another one right away. (And I don't think it's unreasonable to say this might have been their thinking, since it looks like that's what they do with Mario Kart as well: one per system.)
I do realize there's a big difference between starting work on a game early and releasing it early--a game could be worked on for four years straight, after all. And, as much as I hate to say it since Sakurai in my opinion is the man, without a doubt, and ten times better than Miyamoto and Aonuma combined, there are still a few things that even I think could be handled without him. Arranging for music from the series known to be in (i.e. the ones already in Brawl would carry over to a fourth Smash), designing the graphics assets, running character polls and deciding who needs to make the cut for the new roster, creating models for those characters, striking up deals with third-parties wanting their own characters in, etc.
The problem is that Sakurai doesn't like working on sequels one after another, and yet he would still need to be around for things like general conceptual premises, stage design, gameplay changes, items, etc.; remember that if Sakurai didn't come back, Nintendo would have been reluctant to even touch the existing Melee characters for fear of ruining them. If these important aspects of game design can't be done without him, and yet he won't come back for a sequel without putting a bit of breather time between the games, there's only so far Nintendo could go without him; I don't think it's feasible that they could start on Smash Bros. 4 some time this year. (And it would be a pretty risky idea to start doing some preliminary designing without Sakurai while not knowing if he'd ever come back.)
HK-47 said:
SMG started after DK: JB finished. Therefore, it did take away assets/resources from Galaxy since they weren't developing it, aside from possible experiments here and there.
Jiggy, you make some good points, and I could understand if Nintendo saw it that way for the most part, but I still think they could have done some preliminary planning, design, and whatnot at the very least.
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Golden Darkness said:
There were 120 for each of the three modes, so 360 total. Most of them didn't unlock anything at all though.
You dont get it, when JB started they didnt have Galaxy planned. If they started Galaxy during JB's dev period, Galaxy would be taking away assets from JB, not the other way around. JB superceded Galaxy. They werent gonna just leave the game half finished.Oblivion said:
HK-47 said:
I don't think we're on the same page here. To clarify, I'm not saying Nintendo should have started development of SMG midway between development of DK: JB. I'm saying there should never have been a DK: JB in the first place.
HK-47 said:
From a business point of view, I don't see the logic. Sure enough, maybe the Mario game they would have started with would have turned out vastly different from what we know as SMG today, (though judging by the interviews which made it out to seem like the decision was made just based on a whim, moreso than anything else) but we would have had SOMETHING at least.
I'm only doing it for your own benefit!
Oblivion said:From a business point of view, I don't see the logic. Sure enough, maybe the Mario game they would have started with would have turned out vastly different from what we know as SMG today, (though judging by the interviews which made it out to seem like the decision was made just based on a whim, moreso than anything else) but we would have had SOMETHING at least.
Can't you see, I'm trying to HELP you!
No cause they werent ready to make a Mario game. Its not like they planned JB and Galaxy at the same time, and queued Galaxy in later.
SantaC said:
I wouldn't say that. In fact, part of the appeal to Jungle Beat to me was that the controller used for it was so bloody simple that you felt like a true arcade experience. Seriously; Left, Right, Jump and clap. It was beautiful and you could do so much in the game with it. Plus the enemy-pummeling bits were more satisfying on the two bongos since it felt like you were beating the shit out of that fluffy upturned pig thing with your own hands.
Unfortunately what failed the game, though, was the fact that the DK Bongos really weren't popular at all. From my understanding both of the Donkey Konga games failed in the States, and Jungle Beat failed miserably on a sales perspective because of it.
Whatever the case with Jungle Beat is, I'm glad it existed. Not only because it's an excellent game, but because it paved the way for a talented team to give us one of the best Mario games we've had in many, many years.
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:lol :lol That is awesome.RagnarokX said:
"Keep it or put it back?"
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