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Smash Bros Brawl Dojo Official Update Thread: Goodbye, Cherry-don
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no bad GAF insider puns allowed, eh?Speevy said:
total mind slip, honestly.
Thinking about Waverace (where's Waverace Wii, you ****ers!?), does anyone even remember the racer's names without looking them up? Captain Falcon (similar situation) is definitely better known, so I don't know how feasible a Waveracer would be in Smash Bros..
NeonZ said:
Yeah my count was off due to forgetting the clones but anyway:
The series was only 3 years old and had two game groups. This is like giving the Brain Training games 4 spots and the Wii* series another 4. It shouldn't be based just on popularity but also by the nostalgia factor. Who doesn't agree Mewtwo and Pichu were mistakes?
-Back when it was 3 years old, Super Smash Bros. only had Pikachu and Jigglypuff (plus the Pokémon stage and the Pokéballs) also HAL was making the Pokémon Stadium games.Somnid said:
-Pokémon is 11 years old at the moment.
-For nostalgia they are using the Assist Trophies, etc., for the game of course they are going to put their more popular franchises...after all, combined sales of all the Pokémon games are around 155 million units, right next to the 190+ million of Mario..(which will be 200 million very soon)
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The only Pokemon remotely cool is Psyduck i remember that thing cracked me up.
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Cyan said:
Let's see...
Pokémon: The First Movie and Mewtwo Strikes Back all feature Mewtwo as the primary character AND Pokémon
Mewtwo is the original uber
Mewtwo was the ultimate uber until Arceus (and even then, he's the best if you take into account that all Arceus must be acquired through illegitimate means)
Mewtwo appears in the anime as well - Hell, I recall him appearing in the Advanced Generation season (at least, its intro).
fernoca said:
Well then by this logic it should be Mario and an army of pokemon fighting Tetris blocks. I mean why not cut cool characters like Ness and Pit because they weren't crazy sellers. The thing is after the the pokemon franchise moved forward nobody gave a rat's ass about Mewtwo and Pichu, they became lost in the sea of faces that is pokemon. Pikachu and Jigglypuff are popular interestingly enough not from their game appearances but from the TV show, Pikachu being the main character and Jigglypuff being a recurring character.
It's not simply a matter of this is popular (that's part of it), but also do we have charismatic characters?
[Eh, trying to get a point across without being hit with obscure factoids is hard]
If there's no Jigglypuff, someone will burn. Probably me, in an attempt to erase the pain. 
Eight years of being "Jiggy37" on message boards all because of beatings handed down in SSB1.
But I think it's relatively safe to say she's still in there, part because Sakurai said he wanted a heavier focus on aerial gameplay and Jiggs epitomized that more than every other character, but mostly because she's been there since the original, as others have been saying.
But I don't see that it matters that much that any Pokemon in the game is only one of a species instead of a unique character. Yoshi's the same way, really. Even from his introduction in Super Mario World (or at least that was his introduction to most people; can't remember if one of the puzzle games came before that), he was always just one of several.
Eight years of being "Jiggy37" on message boards all because of beatings handed down in SSB1.But I think it's relatively safe to say she's still in there, part because Sakurai said he wanted a heavier focus on aerial gameplay and Jiggs epitomized that more than every other character, but mostly because she's been there since the original, as others have been saying.
I'd really like to see someone do combined sales of the Pokemon RPGs alone versus the Mario platformers alone. Shoot, I'd do it myself if I knew where those figures were available--because, honestly, I believe it would turn out in Pokemon's favor and that Nintendo's just reluctant to admit that.fernoca said:
Well, Pikachu's only a main character in the anime, not the games or the manga. In the games, you're right, there are no iconic characters. The show is probably why Jigglypuff was originally chosen (only recurring non-human character in the first four or five seasons) in SSB, and why Mewtwo was chosen in SSBM (only Pokemon to get two movies dedicated to it).Cyan said:
But I don't see that it matters that much that any Pokemon in the game is only one of a species instead of a unique character. Yoshi's the same way, really. Even from his introduction in Super Mario World (or at least that was his introduction to most people; can't remember if one of the puzzle games came before that), he was always just one of several.
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Why aren't the white monkeys in the DKJB stage?
They better not take Mewtwo out. They better fix him though
he shouldve been the most powerful character SSBM
but its like they were thinking of different ways for him to suck
-why did he slip all over the place
-He had two useless specials too his side B and his down B
it would've been fine if had one but two
-why did he not have his main freaking move from the game
PSYCHIC!!
They better not take Mewtwo out. They better fix him though
he shouldve been the most powerful character SSBM
but its like they were thinking of different ways for him to suck
-why did he slip all over the place
-He had two useless specials too his side B and his down B
it would've been fine if had one but two
-why did he not have his main freaking move from the game
PSYCHIC!!
I get your point..and nowhere I said that they should only add popular characters..Somnid said:
They add popular characters because they want to sell the game, but they also add the nostalgic ones (Marth/Roy? Mr. Game & Watch? in Melee)..for the fans..
Keep in mind that the game (being developed in Japan)...they see the influeces and constant appearances of Pichu (The Pichu Bros. actually) and Mewtwo in the TV series and the movies..
Keep also in mind that many characters are going to be eliminated from Melee to Brawl..
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Archie said:
I'm sure Falco will be in.
Roy too!
:lol
Jiggy37 said:
Well, Pikachu has been the face of the franchise. There was the "Special Pikachu Edition" Yellow Version and Red seemed to favour "Pika" in the manga for some reason (although that might be because the part he seemed to favour him was in the Yellow arc).
Jigglypuff was in because Jigglypuff was the most popular Pokemon in Japan aside from Pikachu. I think that Mewtwo was likely the second most popular NA Pokemon. Everyone loves Mewtwo! The only Pokemon I see as having a chance of getting in is Lucario. I think he played a role in the movie that came out just before DP, is from the new generation, and also seems to be quite popular among the kids. He would also make sense in the game.
There is nothing horrible about Ice Climbers except maybe Nana's terrible AI. And even then, her sluggishness is what pros exploit to really elevate Ice Climbers to a different level of play.Speevy said:
My thoughts exactlyunifin said:
Dark Ninja said:
Smash would not be fun if they made a certain character the most powerful
even though they kinda did *cough* Marth *cough*
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rafman400 said:
Im not saying to make him the most powerful character but at least balance him out
He only has one special attack that does significant amount of damage and it needs to be charged
Mewtwo's pretty much the worse character in the game
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http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/index.html
Seeing the trend of new music tracks being shown on tuesdays, mondays and one wednesday... i'll just guess that today's update is a new music track.
Seeing the trend of new music tracks being shown on tuesdays, mondays and one wednesday... i'll just guess that today's update is a new music track.
Speevy said:
I'm too lazy to find 100 videos, so I'll show one combo video. It's of Chu Dat. Plays Ice Climbers almost exclusively, places in the Top 3 in almost every major tournament he enters.
Frostbite: http://youtube.com/watch?v=nHuazOdzk5w
Want to learn to play them? Here's a Tutorial Video:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=nU3NDDwt4M4
Teaches you ways to desynch. Which is what they call it when you control Popo and Nana to do different things.
Kinda complicated though. They're the most unique and interesting character(s) in the game. People who complain about flat stages being boring and then say ICs are stupid are hypocrites.
Huh, I always heard it was Clefairy. But hey, faith restored in Japan if it was Jiggs instead.Firestorm said:
Anyway, with Deoxys out as a contender for playability, I agree with Lucario in. It seems too likely to not happen.
Edit: "Agree" in the sense that it's what will happen, not that it's what I want to happen. There are loads of Pokemon I'd rather have than Lucario. >_> But it's not a bad pick, really, if it ends up being in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvljN9ycqLglsslave said:
Ridiculous commercial. Hahahaha.
~ 1 hr ta go.
How is it the sign of a bad character that nobody ever picked them? How often somebody chooses a character does not have anything whatsoever to do with how good a character is. Not only that, but NEVER picking somebody could not possibly prove anything at all about how good it is, because you have no ****ing idea. You've never picked him!Speevy said:
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Im gonna predict Musicfernoca said:
and for the music ill guess a pokemon or a Wario theme
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fernoca said:
if pokemon Orechestra Latin Lyrics
if Wario Midi
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usea said:
You're misunderstanding him. By "signs of a bad character", he is not referring to their fighting aptitude and ability to win Smash Bros. matches. By "bad" character, I think he means bad in the sense of "disliked by players". That is-- regardless of how frequently (or infrequently) you win national championships with the Ice Climbers, they are a bad character in general because they are not fun to play as or play against (in his opinion). If Metaknight had a move where you pressed Down + B and instantly took a stock from their opponent, he would be a "good" character in the sense that he could easily beat other characters, but still a "bad character" because he isn't fun to play as or play against.
And yeah, I kind of agree. Clever as the Ice Climbers' dual-character concept was, I HATE playing against them. It's not because I'm bad at beating them-- it's because the strategies I have to employ in order to beat them aren't fun. For instance, grabbing, and comboing out of grabs, is a HUGE part of how I play Smash Bros. I can't grab the Ice Climbers at all, though, because I can only grab one and don't have time to throw before the other one gives me an fsmash to the face. Thus, they have unusual strengths (good at defending against grabs) that forces me to use a different playstyle against them that simply isn't fun (i.e. limited comboing.)
I didn't find them fun to play as either, and judging by their low popularity, I'm guessing that not many others like them either. So, bleh. VERY original concept but the end result isn't much fun (for most people).
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