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uncelestial · Mar 28, 2016

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Some media coverage:

http://www.tmz.com/2016/03/27/dave-chappelle-caitlyn-jenner-jokes-kylie-tyga/
http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/...=facebook&utm_medium=social&sr_share=facebook

King Kylie and Tyga were watching from the VIP section when Dave launched into a 7-minute bit about Caitlyn Jenner, noting that he was old enough to recall Caitlyn as a "Superman" who was great at "beating Africans" on the track in the 70s. According to Dave, he was tipped off regarding Caitlyn's transition after bumping into longtime friend Kanye West. "I said, 'Kanye, why the long face?' And Kanye replied, 'Man, you’ll see,'" Chappelle reportedly said, again according to TMZ.

A personal take as someone who saw these bits live in San Francisco this year:

They're not good jokes. Dave was doing these bits in SF when he played the Masonic here and I knew they were going to get him in trouble soon.

Edit to inlcude link: Basically, he tells a story where a trans person corrects his pronoun use, to which he exasperatedly replies "to what degree should I have to participate in your self-image?"

Before getting into the seating area for the show, he had a startup called Yondr taking people's phones, asking that they be turned all the way off, and putting them in thick, electronically-pinned-shut sleeves that the phone owner cannot open. Then on the way out you had to find a Yondr employee to release your phone from phone jail for you. So unless you were able to sneak a phone past this and sneakily tape the bit, it was never going to get out, which is probably why it has taken this long.

Edit: because the "Kylie Jenner reaction" angle seems to be distracting people, I'm replacing that with a couple other mentions of this material:

Okay here, from a blog you don't read's October 2014 post:

Wherein Dave Chappelle Is An Imperfect Human Being
http://sexistentialquestions.tumblr...in-dave-chappelle-is-an-imperfect-human-being

But the truth is that Chappelle’s set was riddled with transphobia, homophobia, and a bit about the Ray Rice incident that changed the energy in the room in a tangible way. He talked about seeing a drunk “transvestite” at a party, mocked her, and complained about having his pronouns corrected when he referred to her as “he”. He maintained that he should be able to use whatever pronouns he wanted. He called her a man in a dress. This bit was not really a joke, just a strange, awkward story, but people laughed. It was pure, absolute, unabashed transphobia, and it broke my fucking heart.

DAVE CHAPPELLE VS THE NEW INTOLERANCE, from a site you don't read in July 2015.
http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/dave-chappelle-vs-the-new-intolerance/17195

His new set is peppered with jokes about him coming face-to-face with the new intolerance. There’s the lesbian couple whose kid is at the same ‘liberal-rich’ private school as his son – one of them laughing along at his jokes about whether or not they qualify for the father-son picnic, the other ‘too committed to her lesbianism’ to entertain them. And then there’s that trans joke, in which Dave, finding himself at a poncey gallery party, is stared down when he dares to ask ‘Is he okay?’ after a cross-dresser collapses in the corner. ‘I support anyone’s right to be who they want to be. My question is: to what extent do I have to participate in your self-image?’

But because Kylie Jenner was in the audience that night, there's more substantial coverage this time. It's trending on FB, etc.

So yeah, I still love Dave, but was very disappointed in his out-of-step views about trans people. He has some growing to do, I don't know if he's been living on that farm in Ohio too long or what.

Lock me in a Yondr pouch if old.

Edit:
Here's a video with a pretty close approximation of the bit I heard. It's from 2014 and he didn't put as fine a point on the ultimate question he's asking, and it's missing the Caitlyn stuff because that is more recent, but you can sorta get the idea.
https://youtu.be/zKd0MSXZFb0?t=43

NIGHT- · Mar 28, 2016

Society is becoming too PC

MasterForm · Mar 28, 2016

Nothing is off limits in comedy. Why the backlash?

Infinite · Mar 28, 2016

NIGHT- said:
Society is becoming too PC

I chuckled

MasterForm said:
Nothing is off limits in comedy. Why the backlash?

People didn't like the joke.

Tregard · Mar 28, 2016

NIGHT- said:
Society is becoming too PC

Bravo

Douche McBaggins The 3rd · Mar 28, 2016

Though people are appalled at what is said, they will defend your right to say it. Correct?

Terbinator · Mar 28, 2016

I don't get the issue. Comic takes the piss out of X - more at 10.

Mitch · Mar 28, 2016

Dave's a comedian. What's the issue?

dugdug · Mar 28, 2016

He hasn't really had the best comeback, has he?

Strangelove77 · Mar 28, 2016

Comedy.

ThatStupidLion · Mar 28, 2016

any and everything is up for a comedic approach - no big deal in my eyes

you didn't perchance go to Emory OP, did you?

A Link to the Past · Mar 28, 2016

NIGHT- said:
Society is becoming too PC

I can't tell if this is a gaming-side joke or an actual belief

heckmanimation said:
any and everything is up for a comedic approach - no big deal in my eyes

Referring to someone's gender identity as a fantasy isn't a joke, it's bigotry.

sphagnum · Mar 28, 2016

NIGHT- said:
Society is becoming too PC

Can't tell if this is a stupid opinion or a game pun.

kewlmyc · Mar 28, 2016

That's depressing to hear. I really like Dave Chappelle. I like his standup, but that sounds more hateful than it does witty or snarky.

joe2187 · Mar 28, 2016

Infinite said:
People didn't like the joke.

What was the joke?

BennyBlanco · Mar 28, 2016

is he actually getting backlash or did it just maybe piss off kylie jenner as the article says?

mp1990 · Mar 28, 2016

NIGHT- said:
Society is becoming too PC

I'll have to admit, this one cracked me up. Props for you.

AlteredBeast · Mar 28, 2016

I am sure that Jenner girl was mortified and not just looking down or avoiding flashes...

Vincent Grayson · Mar 28, 2016

I didn't get much of an idea that he was talking about trans people so much as one particular trans person, who seems to be kind of a piece of shit in a lot of ways.

fader · Mar 28, 2016

well it was 7 a minute bit. cherry picking specific points doesn't really paint an entire picture of the whole routine.

NIGHT- · Mar 28, 2016

joe2187 said:
What was the joke?

Oops, wrong post

The Lamonster · Mar 28, 2016

Not trying to defend the Jenners/Kardashians, who I know next to nothing about, but this isn't surprising to me. Dave is just not funny anymore. I saw him live in 2015 and the show sucked.

Charcoal · Mar 28, 2016

So South Park can do it and it's fine?

tearsintherain · Mar 28, 2016

Who names their kid Tyga

Infinite · Mar 28, 2016

joe2187 said:
What was the joke?

Is this a joke? If so I laughed.

tearsintherain said:
Who names their kid Tyga

His real name ends with an L

benzy · Mar 28, 2016

Infinite said:
People didn't like the joke.

"The bit was apparently a big hit during Dave's set at the Palladium, though Kylie reportedly offered nothing in the way of laughs."

A Link to the Past · Mar 28, 2016

Charcoal said:
So South Park can do it and it's fine?

1. What does South Park do?

2. I've entirely grown out of South Park for its humour, so perhaps not everyone who condemns Chappelle has a double standard

metalslimer · Mar 28, 2016

Charcoal said:
So South Park can do it and it's fine?

Well south park didn't really use her as a chance to make fun of transgender people by calling it a fantasy.

South Park made fun of her killing someone for the most part

BUNTING1243 · Mar 28, 2016

"How long are we supposed to indulge in your fantasy?"

that really just sounds incredibly hateful instead of clever or funny

TheLostBigBoss · Mar 28, 2016

We're told that line brought the house down, and even Tyga laughed -- but Kylie kept a straight face through the entire bit. Hard to say if she was actually pissed, but she definitely wasn't LOL.

She wasn't LOL

Guys, SHE WASN'T LOL

WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE GOING TO DO!?!?!?!?

Amory · Mar 28, 2016

Charcoal said:
So South Park can do it and it's fine?

south park's jokes were more about her being a shitty person who hits people with her car

Haxan · Mar 28, 2016

fader said:
well it was 7 a minute bit. cherry picking specific points doesn't really paint an entire picture of the whole routine.

The whole routine was pretty awkward and cringey. I can't really cite specifics because I saw this months ago, but the whole thing was pretty bad.

joe2187 · Mar 28, 2016

Infinite said:
Is this a joke? If so I laughed.

Is this a joke? I dont know.

Im confused now.

uncelestial · Mar 28, 2016

heckmanimation said:
any and everything is up for a comedic approach - no big deal in my eyes

you didn't perchance go to Emory OP, did you?

Nah, the SF show at Masonic. Jan 16th of this year.

fader said:
well it was 7 a minute bit. cherry picking specific points doesn't really paint an entire picture of the whole routine.

That's what's kinda tough about reporting on it -- by design, you can't tape the bits there. Everything is going to be by recollection and word of mouth only.

parrotbeak · Mar 28, 2016

There's no joke in the article, so I'm going to assume the quotes are at least out of context of the joke. I'll reserve judgment until seeing the routine.

Also I seriously doubt Kylie and Tyga's facial reactions in their car while probably escaping a swarm of paparazzi are hold overs from their reaction to his material.

Platy · Mar 28, 2016

MasterForm said:
Nothing is off limits in comedy. Why the backlash?

Nothing is off limits, but nothing shields you from consequences of your actions.

The backlash is because "How long are we supposed to indulge in your fantasy?" imply trans people are just having a "fantasy

Infinite · Mar 28, 2016

benzy said:
"The bit was apparently a big hit during Dave's set at the Palladium, though Kylie reportedly offered nothing in the way of laughs."

Op clearly didn't like the joke, made the thread, and said so in OP.

The Kree · Mar 28, 2016

Political correctness is great for the world and bad for comedy.

-Artie Lange

Not sure what the joke here is though. That Kanye was sad?

masud · Mar 28, 2016

Douche McBaggins The 3rd said:
Though people are appalled at what is said, they will defend your right to say it. Correct?

I'll defend his right to say it from government persecution sure. Anything else he's on his own lol.

Kuroyume · Mar 28, 2016

uncelestial said:
This is a picture of a mortified Kylie Jenner and still-grinning Tyga leaving the show:

She looks mortified?

Dicktatorship · Mar 28, 2016

BUNTING1243 said:
that really just sounds incredibly hateful instead of clever or funny

Dave's a devout Muslim, believe it or not.

LyleLanley · Mar 28, 2016

I'm curious to find out what the actual joke was now.

A Link to the Past · Mar 28, 2016

The Kree said:
Political correctness is great for the world and bad for comedy.

-Artie Lange

But most of the people in here are reacting to a line that isn't even comedy, so I don't know that it even applies here.

Arc · Mar 28, 2016

A Link to the Past said:
I can't tell if this is a gaming-side joke or an actual belief

Referring to someone's gender identity as a fantasy isn't a joke, it's bigotry.

What else do you find off limits for comedy, genuinely curious.

The Kree · Mar 28, 2016

A Link to the Past said:
But most of the people in here are reacting to a line that isn't even comedy, so I don't know that it even applies here.

Amended my post.

phanphare · Mar 28, 2016

Kuroyume said:
She looks mortified?

"ugh, these fucking TMZ assholes and their camera phones. at least the show was funny. not like LOL funny but good."

neurosyphilis · Mar 28, 2016

Wtf is a "King Kylie" ?

Beer Monkey · Mar 28, 2016

Offensive comedy still exists, that's OK. You don't go to stand-up expecting a safe space.

NeonBlack · Mar 28, 2016

I wanna know what the joke was. And who is Kylie Jenner to Caitlyn?

Real Hero · Mar 28, 2016

Charcoal said:
So South Park can do it and it's fine?

It was funny so yes

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