I haven't watched the video, but being Egyptian; YES!
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2014 FIFA World Cup |OT8| Brazi1 - German7
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I haven't watched the video, but being Egyptian; YES!
That bit of play shows how awful Brazil defended the last two games. Robben was alone there, what if there wasn't a foul there.
Look at David Luiz just sitting there almost expecting a sympathy call. Typical Brazil.
jts
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speculawyer
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So?
Tell me you don't want to see North Korea get its ass kicked.
I want to see more random perhaps half-decent countries in there . . . Canada, Norway, Sweden, Finland, China, India, etc.
How can China not have a half-decent team? They have a billion people? India too!
RVP giving the captain armband to the Oranje General
The lady in the background trying to get her phone to open the camera by twisting it.
Doesn't seem to be working too well.
I disagree with this line of thinking. Brazil finished on a very low point, sure, but the team was at least capable of winning this thing at some point. They came into the World Cup off a Confederations Cup win, proceeded to get into the semi-finals undefeated (albeit with some struggles, along with some ugliness), and then collapsed against Germany without Neymar or Silva in a humiliating loss that both revealed and exaggerated their vulnerabilities. This loss against the Netherlands will just reinforce the "how did Brazil get so far?" narrative, but this was a psychologically deflated, Neymar-less Brazilian team up against a fully realized, confident Netherlands team. It was never inevitable that things would unfold this way.
In the same way their pedigree and home field advantage exaggerated their skill as a team, I think these terrible last couple of games most definitely exaggerated their lack of skill as a team.
Either way, though, Brazil definitely needs to do something drastic to come back from this. For one, Scolari completely failed this team.
jts
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RandyBobandy
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There's enough bad teams as it is
We don't need more teams like New Zealand and Haiti and shit
Less of them
New Zealand were undefeated at the last WC. I get your point though.
Ganzlinger
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We need New Zealand. They ended up last World Cup as the only team without a loss. We need stuff like that. Besides, they have hobbits and elves. lol
Something about infrastructure. Just look at USA compared to Holland.
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Xpike
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no thanks, it's good enough as it is
DanteGhost
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Up until yesterday my favorite to win the world cup was Germany. But after closer analysis and less bias I actually came to the conclusion that Argentina might have a better chance of winning tomorrow. My reasons are as follow:
- Argentina will be playing as the local team, which I think will give them that extra boost throughout the game.
- Germany had to struggle quiet a bit with teams that played them defensively. I refer to both Ghana and Algeria, a style that Argentina has implemented throughout the tournament. Now think about that for a moment. Both Ghana and Algeria lack the quality of offensive players that Argentina posses. Di Maria will be a nightmare for the German defense, and if Messi plays at least a decent match, Higuain or Lavezzi will atleast have a clear chance at goal.
- No European has ever won in America. I think that record will remain at least for now.
I also think it will be a boring final, as all of the Argentina games. I wouldn't be surprised if it goes to penalties.
- Argentina will be playing as the local team, which I think will give them that extra boost throughout the game.
- Germany had to struggle quiet a bit with teams that played them defensively. I refer to both Ghana and Algeria, a style that Argentina has implemented throughout the tournament. Now think about that for a moment. Both Ghana and Algeria lack the quality of offensive players that Argentina posses. Di Maria will be a nightmare for the German defense, and if Messi plays at least a decent match, Higuain or Lavezzi will atleast have a clear chance at goal.
- No European has ever won in America. I think that record will remain at least for now.
I also think it will be a boring final, as all of the Argentina games. I wouldn't be surprised if it goes to penalties.
If it goes to PK's Germany will win.
Argentina are playing with their away jerseys. Am I missing something?
The Chosen One
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By half-decent, you must mean mostly terrible.
For example Canada lost to Honduras 8-1 in qualifying.... and Honduras was probably the weakest of the 32 teams at this WC.
And UEFA doesn't need more slots. They just need to fix their qualifying so countries like Sweden qualify and countries like Greece and Bosnia stay home.
32 teams is probably the sweet spot right now, aside from Spain and Brazil... no countries really got blown out this WC. Most of the minnows held their own. That said, Asia is still very weak and Africa continues to under-perform considering their talent level. Neither of those regions need more slots. CONCACAF had a great WC but realistically, the pool gets pretty thin after Mexico, USA, and Costa Rica. Percentage-wise South America is the strongest region and probably deserve another slot or two. But then again, half the continent already qualifies for the WC.
Also anything more than a month long tournament would be a nightmare for the players and just risk more injury and fatigue. It wouldn't improve the quality of the tournament. Even this WC which has been great, has kinda fizzled a bit in the knockout rounds. There hasn't been a great game since Mexico and Netherlands in the second round. All the quarterfinal matches were "meh" and the semi-finals were also pretty bad it's just Brazil's earth-shattering embarrassment has someone obscured it. But the quality of the football has definitely gone down overall the last couple of weeks.
So be happy with the tournament we have in its current format. Adding more teams would just dilute everything.
DanteGhost
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I don't mean in it in that particular sense. I was trying to say they are going to play in a stadium full of Argentinians (aka more supporters).
Something that do count when two teams of the same quality play.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Germany has shown they can defend anyone and score against anyone as well. Argentina will be outmatched.
LiquidMetal14
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It's obvious he refers to the regional advantage.
Don't be so sure. Argentina is peaking while Germany has played their best ball. Germany is favored but they aren't doing 7-1 against Argentina.
DanteGhost
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Won't happen. Is a 50/50 match. None of the teams will be outmatched. There is a reason both teams made it this far.
Edit: It is actually a plus for Argentina that they are seen as the underdog, when is clearly not the case.
Thanks for clearing that up. I really need to stop reading this thread when I'm tired.
The Chosen One
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Yes from an organization and infrastructure standpoint sometimes it's easier to have a less populace smaller geographic country than a large one.
In most European countries, entire professional divisions are within just a 200 mile radius. A professional team's and its youth academy teams can each a greater percentage of the populace.
Also when they need to do rebuilding efforts it can happen much faster compared to the US and China. To make drastic changes in America, it's like moving a huge ocean liner and just costs so much money.
Solutions that work for 16 million people don't always scale to 300 million or 1 billion people...
Local as in thousands of Argentinian fans will be there since their country is right there.
Bam Bam Baklava
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That's not what the odds makers say. Germany is looking like a safe bet.
We don't know that they've peaked, all we know is that they played a shambolic Brazil side that should be absolutely embarrassed by their performance and were lucky to even make it to that game.
Eh Argentina's form has been pretty average in the WC, hell they looked better in the last WC and Germany beat them 4-1 then...
What did the odd maker said before the Brazil and Germany game? Just curious.com
DanteGhost
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After watching 6 world cups, I have learned that the final is a completely different ball game. Teams that have played better up until that point can end up losing.
I'm not saying that Germany has zero chance of winning. As I said is a 50/50 tossup for me. Argentina is just my favorite now. I could be 100% wrong, and Germany destroys them tomorrow. I just don't see it happening.
Pretty sure Germany was the favorite, no one seriously thought the scoreline would be that bad though.
There will be more people cheering Germany without a doubt, though Argentina's supporters will be more passionate.
David Luiz is a fantastic person.
We've seen these players perform in their clubs as well. Your opinion is well articulated, something I've struggled to put to words.
There is no other country in the world with a deeper pool of football talent, what we need is the structure to discover and nurture new players, keep them playing together, and rediscover the national team identity. We will be back strong, but right now it's difficult to say when and who will lead the way.
AcademicSaucer
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Nope. We need less african and asian teams.
The finals are always hard to predict, both teams have high pressure and they will try to play carefully . I can see Germany trying hard in the first 20-30 minutes, they will want to score as soon as possible while Argentina will defend and try to counter since their attack is way faster than Germany's 4 defender. Overall I have no idea who's going to win, my heart says Germany but my mind leans toward Argentina
In the 90s they said Africa is 15 years away from winning a major football tournament. Guess the estimates were wrong.
Japan always had potential for good football. Unfortunately they tend to chocke when it comes to World Cup tournaments. One might thought the strong display in 2010 was a breakout but unfortunately this years results showed the opposite.
South Korea has good players too. But they don't work in a team.
China is a sleeping giant. But the lack of a professional youth system will probably be the reason why they will never become world class.
Japan always had potential for good football. Unfortunately they tend to chocke when it comes to World Cup tournaments. One might thought the strong display in 2010 was a breakout but unfortunately this years results showed the opposite.
South Korea has good players too. But they don't work in a team.
China is a sleeping giant. But the lack of a professional youth system will probably be the reason why they will never become world class.
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In like 14 hours bro... I haven't even gone to bed -.-
I agree with you that I'd have loved Sweden to be there, missing Ibra from the WC is a damn shame, but I'd rather just replace teams like Iran or Honduras with them. Not like all the teams at this WC brought much excitement.
That was Pele that said they'd win before 2000.
Anyway, if African associations got their shit in order as well as their greedy players they'd assuredly have at least 1 or 2 teams pushing into the upper echelons of football.
Even now with all the corruption and mismanagement they still have a conveyor belt of young talented players.
That phrase was said in the early 90' when the Africans were doing good(twice in quarter finals if i recall) . They had some pretty physical advantages over the other teams so the idea was that if they'd get even some technical and strategic qualities they'd be very strong in the future. Thing is with the new training technologies, diets etc and considering that most player of the top nations play in the Champions League too i think the African teams lost even the physical advantage.
The only thing in their favor is that now there is a lot of data about every team, so you can work on counter strategies at least. That is why small teams give a lot of problems to big teams, especially in this world cup.
The only thing in their favor is that now there is a lot of data about every team, so you can work on counter strategies at least. That is why small teams give a lot of problems to big teams, especially in this world cup.
Lucky youYou can skip most of the day by sleeping
Too sleepy to edit it properly Z_Z
It's sad, I want to see an African winner in my lifetime.
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eh I wanna see Brazil get a 6th star in 2018 was hoping it be this year but whatever
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