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[Slayven]

I wouldn't be so sure about that after Mandarin and considering Thanos hasn't done much.

That cloud was pretty stupid but I wonder if they made the cloud and a black Human Torch just to spite Marvel's action figures and casting.

Thanos looking right is a huge victory in itself

 

[Blader]

I wouldn't be so sure about that after Mandarin and considering Thanos hasn't done much.

What does Thanos not doing much -- a deliberate story decision and one totally unrelated to his appearance anyway -- have to do with Galactus being portrayed as a cloud?

You joke about Hulk (and it is a flawed film) but it is a fucking travesty that the "failure" of Ang Lee's Hulk means we will never again see a superhero film directed by a great director. I don't know how one can claim to love the genre and want to see good superhero films and also see that as a good thing.

I have not been on board for this reboot, ever, at any point in its production cycle... Still, I think that a lot of the criticism of Fox is misguided. Trank is the most inspired directorial hire for a superhero film in a long time. It's a gamble. That's what studios should be doing. Apparently, it was a bad bet—and it's a damn shame that the lesson we all take out from this is that studios should further homogenize the genre and take even fewer risks.

I had no idea Chronicle was that well-loved. :lol

All three of the Chris Nolan Batman movies came out after Ang Lee's Hulk

Ah, but didn't you know that Chris Nolan is a total hack and one of the worst filmmakers of his time?

 

[Pai Pai Master]

First look at Doom in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzko5iNo5wM

Remember when people were saying that this would be fixed in postproduction? LOL

Ok for this next scene you're gonna walk down this hall

Pretty sure that's all we need from you

 

[DrGonzo615]

First look at Doom in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzko5iNo5wM

Remember when people were saying that this would be fixed in postproduction? LOL

OMG, that shit was terrible. The costume, god, I just cant....

 

[Sibersk Esto]

All three of the Chris Nolan Batman movies came out after Ang Lee's Hulk

And are better directed

 

[The Broken Ska Record]

Of course, part of the deal would allow Marvel to use Hugh Jackman's Wolverine in Avengers 3 just before he retires from playing the character.

Never have I wanted something to be so real.

 

[Mighty Chin]

First look at Doom in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzko5iNo5wM

Remember when people were saying that this would be fixed in postproduction? LOL

Brutal

 

[jtb]

I don't love Chronicle, but at least it was a film that was interested in deconstructing the mythos of the superhero genre. You could see some creative spark there. Obviously not Marvel, but I still can't get over the Marc Webb hire. Ugh. What was Sony thinking? I just don't understand.

All three of the Chris Nolan Batman movies came out after Ang Lee's Hulk

Good point. Nolan didn't have the reputation he has now or the reputation Ang Lee had prior to directing Hulk (obviously, helped in part by those Batman films), but that was an fantastic hire. However, I would also assert that there's no way that Nolan, with that track record, would get hired in the landscape of today's superhero genre—which is ironic and sad, considering he helped build it.

And are better directed

The point isn't that Ang Lee's Hulk is some misunderstood masterpiece (though I'm sure some will argue that ), but that someone with the quality of Ang Lee's resume pre-Hulk simply wouldn't be asked to direct a superhero film today. And I think that's a huge missed opportunity.

 

[Slayven]

First look at Doom in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzko5iNo5wM

Remember when people were saying that this would be fixed in postproduction? LOL

are people killing themselves or getting hit with ricochets? WHat is happening here

 

[Neoxon]

I wouldn't be so sure about that after Mandarin and considering Thanos hasn't done much.

That cloud was pretty stupid but I wonder if they made the cloud and a black Human Torch just to spite Marvel's action figures and casting.

The real Mandarin is waiting in the wings, & Thanos not doing much yet was a deliberate story decision by Feige & Gunn.

First look at Doom in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzko5iNo5wM

Remember when people were saying that this would be fixed in postproduction? LOL

Good god, he looks awful. And how is Doom killing everyone?

 

[DeathoftheEndless]

Trank is the most inspired directorial hire for a superhero film in a long time. It's a gamble. That's what studios should be doing.

His only other movie is a superhero movie, so that doesn't make much sense. Especially when you compare it to other recent comic book directors.

 

[Slayven]

The real Mandarin is waiting in the wings, & Thanos not doing much yet was a deliberate story decision by Feige & Gunn.


Good god, he looks awful. And how is Doom killing everyone?

Mind bullets

 

[Mr. Sam]

Ah, but didn't you know that Chris Nolan is a total hack and one of the worst filmmakers of his time?

That's a bit of a strawman - just because you don't recognise Nolan as a "great," it doesn't mean you think he's the worst filmmaker ever.

Other possible counter examples, depending on taste, include Bryan Singer, Kenneth Branagh, Sam Raimi and nearly-Edgar Wright.

Edit: Oh, and Brad Bird.

 

[digitalrelic]

You joke about Hulk (and it is a flawed film) but it is a fucking travesty that the "failure" of Ang Lee's Hulk means we will never again see a superhero film directed by a great director. I don't know how one can claim to love the genre and want to see good superhero films and also see that as a good thing.

I have not been on board for this reboot, ever, at any point in its production cycle... Still, I think that a lot of the criticism of Fox is misguided. Trank is the most inspired directorial hire for a superhero film in a long time. It's a gamble. That's what studios should be doing. Apparently, it was a bad bet—and it's a damn shame that the lesson we all take out from this is that studios should further homogenize the genre and take even fewer risks.

Nolan's a great director. So is Bryan Singer. And Sam Raimi. And James Mangold. And Joss Whedon. James Gunn and Matthew Vaughn as well.

Unless you're referring to only super serious, dramatic directors. But you're right, I doubt we're going to be seeing Paul Thomas Anderson or the Coen Brothers directing Aquaman anytime soon.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Looks like a force field shooting bullets back at the attackers.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

First look at Doom in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzko5iNo5wM

Remember when people were saying that this would be fixed in postproduction? LOL

 

[Sephzilla]

Good point. Nolan didn't have the reputation he has now or the reputation Ang Lee had prior to directing Hulk (obviously, helped in part by those Batman films), but that was an fantastic hire. However, I would also assert that there's no way that Nolan, with that track record, would get hired in the landscape of today's superhero genre—which is ironic and sad, considering he helped build it.

I'm legitimately curious how you came to this conclusion. I also think you're slightly overvaluing Ang Lee's resume pre-Hulk, his most famous thing before that was probably Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon. Some of his better stuff came after Hulk.

 

[styl3s]

First look at Doom in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzko5iNo5wM



Remember when people were saying that this would be fixed in postproduction? LOL

You know those photoshop celeb pictures where the eyes and mouth are really tiny like woll smoth? That's all i could see.

 

[……forgetit]

I don't love Chronicle, but at least it was a film that was interested in deconstructing the mythos of the superhero genre. You could see some creative spark there. Obviously not Marvel, but I still can't get over the Marc Webb hire. Ugh. What was Sony thinking? I just don't understand.



Good point. Nolan didn't have the reputation he has now or the reputation Ang Lee had prior to directing Hulk (obviously, helped in part by those Batman films), but that was an fantastic hire. However, I would also assert that there's no way that Nolan, with that track record, would get hired in the landscape of today's superhero genre—which is ironic and sad, considering he helped build it.



The point isn't that Ang Lee's Hulk is some misunderstood masterpiece (though I'm sure some will argue that ), but that someone with the quality of Ang Lee's resume pre-Hulk simply wouldn't be asked to direct a superhero film today. And I think that's a huge missed opportunity.

I really think DC and Warner Bros. would bend over backwards to get Nolan back, but he doesn't want to come back.

That said it's not like there's a huge line of great directors who want to make comic movies, the only tragedy I can think of is Edgar Wright leaving Ant-man, but that was his choice and we still got a good movie out of it.

 

[WadiumArcadium]

That's not Doom.

 

[Shuggananas]

First look at Doom in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzko5iNo5wM

Remember when people were saying that this would be fixed in postproduction? LOL

holy hell lol, this is bad
I guess I'm watching this in a few months when I'm really drunk and bored

 

[jtb]

I actually think that Kenneth Branaugh is the next "inspired" superhero director hire before Trank. Smart, clever hire on Marvel's part. Mixed results, but I think that first film turned out better than I expected, even if it's hardly a great film.

 

[Game4life]

I don't love Chronicle, but at least it was a film that was interested in deconstructing the mythos of the superhero genre. You could see some creative spark there. Obviously not Marvel, but I still can't get over the Marc Webb hire. Ugh. What was Sony thinking? I just don't understand.



Good point. Nolan didn't have the reputation he has now or the reputation Ang Lee had prior to directing Hulk (obviously, helped in part by those Batman films), but that was an fantastic hire. However, I would also assert that there's no way that Nolan, with that track record, would get hired in the landscape of today's superhero genre—which is ironic and sad, considering he helped build it.



The point isn't that Ang Lee's Hulk is some misunderstood masterpiece (though I'm sure some will argue that ), but that someone with the quality of Ang Lee's resume pre-Hulk simply wouldn't be asked to direct a superhero film today. And I think that's a huge missed opportunity.

If Nolan wants to continue directing comic book movies Warner Bros will give him a blank check. He does not want to.

 

[Abounder]

What does Thanos not doing much -- a deliberate story decision and one totally unrelated to his appearance anyway -- have to do with Galactus being portrayed as a cloud?

Yea Mandarin is a better comparison. But what would you do with Galactus when Thanos hasn't done anything yet? MCU's handling of villains has been pretty crappy

wasn't part of the problem that Marvel doesn't have rights over the movie merchandise unlike the sony deal?

Hmm I thought Marvel had the merch but not sure

Thanos looking right is a huge victory in itself

Yea good luck selling that action figure lol. Looks like it was something out of a KaBlam! short

 

[DrArchon]

First look at Doom in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzko5iNo5wM

I can't. I just... I can't. How is it so hard to translate one of the most iconic comic book characters to movie form? Does Fox just not care? DoFP is legit good so how can they apparently care so little about this movie? This whole thing really was just a means to keep the rights from Marvel wasn't it?

 

[Freewheelin']

You joke about Hulk (and it is a flawed film) but it is a fucking travesty that the "failure" of Ang Lee's Hulk means we will never again see a superhero film directed by a great director. I don't know how one can claim to love the genre and want to see good superhero films and also see that as a good thing.

I have not been on board for this reboot, ever, at any point in its production cycle... Still, I think that a lot of the criticism of Fox is misguided. Trank is the most inspired directorial hire for a superhero film in a long time. It's a gamble. That's what studios should be doing. Apparently, it was a bad bet—and it's a damn shame that the lesson we all take out from this is that studios should further homogenize the genre and take even fewer risks.

Shane Black was more inspired than Josh Trank (who was a good choice himself).

 

[jtb]

I'm legitimately curious how you came to this conclusion. I also think you're slightly overvaluing Ang Lee's resume pre-Hulk, his most famous thing before that was probably Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon. A lot of his better stuff came after Hulk.

I'm not. Ang Lee's resume was varied and accomplished even before Brokeback. Crouching Tiger proved he had action chops but The Ice Storm and Sense and Sensibility are also two legitimately great films.

There's too much money on the table now. WB could afford to bet the farm on Nolan because they had nothing to lose—Schumacher had already razed the Batman franchise to the ground. Now, studios play it safe and give these films to people who have experience in the genre or with "genre" fiction, in general (ie. fantasy/sci-fi), for their special effects experience, I guess. So you get Snyder or a random Game of Thrones director. Which isn't to say that they're bad—but usually they haven't proven that they have any kind of creative vision, let alone that they can execute it.

 

[Watch Da Birdie]

That's what studios should be doing. Apparently, it was a bad bet—and it's a damn shame that the lesson we all take out from this is that studios should further homogenize the genre and take even fewer risks.

I mean, doesn't Marvel do that already?

They got Favreau, only known really for Elf, for Iron Man, Kenneth Branagh, mainly a Shakespeare dude, for Thor, the You, Me, and Dupree dudes for Winter Soldier, and the fucking Yes Man dude for Ant Man.

I agree their movies come off a bit by the numbers, but they do cast unexpected directors that most people didn't see as really superhero directors.

 

[Nappuccino]

First look at Doom in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzko5iNo5wM

Remember when people were saying that this would be fixed in postproduction? LOL

I kind of like it. It's goofy and weird, but I can dig it. That over the shoulder shot goes on way too long though.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

I didn't like Chronicle so I was never keen on the Josh Trank pick. From the outset it was fucked, making a "grounded" approach to "Fantastic" Four is something that should never make it past the brainstorming phase.

 

[……forgetit]

I actually think that Kenneth Branaugh is the next "inspired" superhero director hire before Trank. Smart, clever hire on Marvel's part. Mixed results, but I think that first film turned out better than I expected, even if it's hardly a great film.

I gotta wonder how Josh Trank is an "inspired" choice, he's only made one movie, they probably got him super cheap.

 

[E the Shaggy]

 

[Freewheelin']

That Doom clip is cool as fuck. Looks like shit but he's murdering people left and right with violent, abrupt and visible effects.

 

[Sephzilla]

I'm not. Ang Lee's resume was varied and accomplished even before Brokeback. Crouching Tiger proved he had action chops but The Ice Storm and Sense and Sensibility are also two legitimately great films.

There's too much money on the table now. WB could afford to bet the farm on Nolan because they had nothing to lose—Schumacher had already razed the Batman franchise to the ground. Now, studios play it safe and give these films to people who have experience in the genre or with "genre" fiction, in general (ie. fantasy/sci-fi), for their special effects experience, I guess. So you get Snyder or a random Game of Thrones director. Which isn't to say that they're bad—but they haven't proven that they have any kind of creative vision, let alone that they can execute it.

Counterpoint - I would argue that this is a sign that studios are getting smarter about their directorial hires. Like miscasting an actor into a role, you can mis-hire a director for a movie. Ang Lee was simply the wrong director for the wrong movie.

 

[ScreenSplitter]

First look at Doom in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzko5iNo5wM
LOL

Jesus christ those green pupils. Those are comedic.

 

[Freewheelin']

I mean, doesn't Marvel do that already?

They got Favreau, only known really for Elf, for Iron Man, Kenneth Branagh, mainly a Shakespeare dude, for Thor, the You, Me, and Dupree dudes for Winter Soldier, and the fucking Yes Man dude for Ant Man.

I agree their movies come off a bit by the numbers, but they do cast unexpected directors that most people didn't see as really superhero directors.

There's a difference between unexpected i.e. Branagh and unexpected i.e. TV directors or Peyton Reed.

It would surprise me if Terrence Malick directed Aquaman. It would also surprise me if Joel Schumacher did.

 

[Cloud Strife]

 

[Symphonic]

Just... wow. Is it really THAT hard to not make him look like a life-size Pop figure?

 

[Blader]

I don't love Chronicle, but at least it was a film that was interested in deconstructing the mythos of the superhero genre. You could see some creative spark there. Obviously not Marvel, but I still can't get over the Marc Webb hire. Ugh. What was Sony thinking? I just don't understand.

I guess I don't really agree -- it just came off like a found footage take on Akira to me. Personally, I thought 500 Days of Summer was a more creative, inventive film (the non-linear editing, expectations vs. reality sequence, Hall & Oates dance montage, etc.), which is partly why I found Webb's work on ASM1/2 so disappointing.

Yea Mandarin is a better comparison. But what would you do with Galactus when Thanos hasn't done anything yet? MCU's handling of villains has been pretty crappy

I don't really agree with the Mandarin as a comparison either. The Asian-stereotype terrorist warlord image is still there, it's still presented as the character. He turns out to be not the real villain of the story, but it's not like Marvel shied away from using that imagery as part of the character's appearance.

 

[illmatic22]

welp

 

[Funky Papa]

Jesus christ those green pupils. Those are comedic.

YouTube's comments are largely positive.

I don't even know what to think anymore.

 

[tomtom94]

I mean, doesn't Marvel do that already?

They got Favreau, only known really for Elf, for Iron Man, Kenneth Branagh, mainly a Shakespeare dude, for Thor, the You, Me, and Dupree dudes for Winter Soldier, and the fucking Yes Man dude for Ant Man.

I agree their movies come off a bit by the numbers, but they do cast unexpected directors that most people didn't see as really superhero directors.

And yet when they pick an out-there choice for Spider-Man the only reason is "because he's cheap". I know. The internet confuses me sometimes too.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

Schumacher had a solid resume pre b&r, and that still ended up a disaster

 

[Sephzilla]

First look at Doom in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzko5iNo5wM

The thing is, this scene would be awesome if he actually looked like Dr Doom

Mandarin twist is the most ballsy, brave move Marvel have made, and I loved it. Don't treat all these characters and stories as sacred; make your own stories instead of constantly adapting.

It was absolutely a ballsy decision. That being said, being ballsy doesn't necessarily mean being smart. The Mandarin twist was a really big waste of a supervillain.

 

[Freewheelin']

Mandarin twist is the most ballsy, brave move Marvel have made, and I loved it. Don't treat all these characters and stories as sacred; make your own stories instead of constantly adapting.

 

[ScreenSplitter]

YouTube's comments are largely positive.

I don't even know what to think anymore.

Ya lost me at "YouTube comments"

 

[Skinny Pete]

Homeless DOOM is cracking me up. This is some of the worst character design I have ever seen. Fucking terrible.

 

[Patryn]

Uggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggghh.

Seriously, why is Doom that hard to do on film? He has a really cool mask. While, yeah, you don't see the actor's face, you can still see their eyes, and plenty of acting can be done with that.

Why do they keep wanting to do shit like this to him?

 

[crimsonspider89]

http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-26152190

And no opening in China confirmed.

 

[Freewheelin']

Uggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggghh.

Seriously, why is Doom that hard to do on film? He has a really cool mask. You should be able to see the actor's eyes, if not their face.

Why do they keep wanting to do shit like this to him?

Good scene though (albeit out of context). Surely more importance than appearance is his actions.