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[RatskyWatsky]

One reviewer is saying that there's five sequences in the film that's as revolutionary as Matrix's Bullet Time stuff. I almost would trust smegmalord over an opinion like that.

It's Jeff Cannata. I like the guy, but he's a self proclaimed "Marvel Zombie". He's super passionate about the MCU so I usually take his views on the subject with a large grain of salt (he really liked Thor 2: The Dark World, for instance :x).

 

[Sgt. Kabukiman]

You're gonna get Captain Marvel Begins and you're gonna like it!

Is that an origin story too?
Well, fuck. Come on DC, skip that shit with Flash and Green Lantern at least.

 

[Spaghetti]

The most self-contained Marvel movie in a long time. [...] Almost felt like a reboot of the first IRON MAN.

That's all I needed to know.

 

[Einchy]

It's Jeff Cannata. I like the guy, but he's a self proclaimed "Marvel Zombie". He's super passionate about the MCU so I usually take his views on the subject with a large grain of salt (he really liked Thor 2: The Dark World, for instance :x).

John Campea is honestly the least hyperbolic film critic I've ever seen, everything he says is always very level-headed and he said that the 15 minutes he saw earlier was the best visuals he had ever seen in a movie. Ever.

https://youtu.be/nKzvKGVOphw?t=3m

This movie is going to rock your socks off.

 

[zoukka]

John Campea is honestly the least hyperbolic film critic I've ever seen, everything he says is always very level-headed and he said that the 15 minutes he saw earlier was the best visuals he had ever seen in a movie. Ever.

I doubt this below average director manages something like that. Or maybe hell froze over last night.

 

[- J - D -]

Is that an origin story too?
Well, fuck. Come on DC, skip that shit with Flash and Green Lantern at least.

Yes.

Captain Marvel is certainly an origin. It’s an origin story from the start.

 

[Einchy]

I doubt this below average director manages something like that. Or maybe hell froze over last night.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUo4GQsnkHc

He already managed it.

[edit]

Not sure why you blooded the first part, that's completely true and anyone who watched any Collider shows knows that John is never over the top with his criticism. What he said about Doctor Strange was a big deal because, like I said, he is never hyperbolic.

 

[-ImaginaryInsider]

fuck! is 3d worth, brehs?

After seeing the 15 minute preview, not seeing this movie in 3D would almost be a waste.

 

[Sgt. Kabukiman]

John Campea is honestly the least hyperbolic film critic I've ever seen, everything he says is always very level-headed and he said that the 15 minutes he saw earlier was the best visuals he had ever seen in a movie. Ever.

https://youtu.be/nKzvKGVOphw?t=3m

This movie is going to rock your socks off.

John Campea is extremely hyperbolic. I like the guy but aside from extreme cases like Fantastic Four, he gives every comic-book movie a pass and never grades them below a 7. I don't really trust his opinion on them even though he's a good youtube personnality otherwise.

 

[Einchy]

John Campea is extremely hyperbolic. I like the guy but aside from extreme cases like Fantastic Four, he gives every comic-book movie a pass and never grades them below a 7. I don't really trust his opinion on them even though he's a good youtube personnality otherwise.

How is rating a movie a 7 make someone extremely hyperbolic? That's, like, the opposite of being hyperbolic.

 

[zoukka]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUo4GQsnkHc

He already managed it.

Nothing in that video convinced me. It looked exactly what I would assume out of an MCU production, it looks only "trippy" inside the conventions of MCU and blockbusters. There's a nod to 2001. None of that is truly "trippy".

How is rating a movie a 7 make someone extremely hyperbolic? That's, like, the opposite of being hyperbolic.

The average superhero flick deserves a 2/10, not a 7.

 

[Einchy]

Nothing in that video convinced me. It looked exactly what I would assume out of an MCU production, it looks only "trippy" inside the conventions of MCU and blockbusters. There's a nod to 2001. None of that is truly "trippy".

I don't know what to tell you if you don't think that video is visually beautiful.

The average superhero flick deserves a 2/10, not a 7.

Not even sure why I try replying to you seriously when you pull this shit in every Marvel thread.

 

[Discotheque]

I don't know what to tell you if you don't think that video is visually beautiful.

it looks pretty cool for sure. but best visuals ever seen in a movie? as stated from the so-called "least hyperbolic film critic" lmaoooo

bruh chill with the up sell. practically everyone in this thread is seeing the movie anyways.

 

[DrunkShogun]

Good to hear. Still sad it means mads mikkelsen can't be dr doom now if they ever got to use him in the future.

 

[SFenton]

Only salty that I didn't get to see it early like I did Civil War.

 

[excelsiorlef]

You posted four movies which is why your reply to him was funny.

Bwhahaha

Apologies to you then <3!

I was writing and wtaching MSNB at the same time lol, I totally forgot to actually write Guardians even though I was thinking about it the while time writing the post.

I'll keep it unedited for historical humour preservation but what I meant to say was

Iron Man, Avengers, Guardians, Winter Soldier, Civil War...

That said you clearly actually believe none of the MCU movies are good either so my point still stands.

 

[zoukka]

I don't know what to tell you if you don't think that video is visually beautiful.

I need to see in the context of the film to judge that, but right now it didn't seem anything special.

Not even sure why I try replying to you seriously when you pull this shit in every Marvel thread.

My opinion is serious.

 

[excelsiorlef]

I doubt this below average director manages something like that. Or maybe hell froze over last night.

I mean to be fair The Wachowskis pretty much haven't done anything truly remarkable since the Matrix sooo

 

[Discotheque]

I mean to be fair The Wachowskis pretty much haven't done anything truly remarkable since the Matrix sooo

Speed Racer > the entire catalogue of the mcu and most comic book movies in general.

man i wish wachowskis tackled one of these properties, even in their current train wreck state of filmmaking.

 

[Merc_]

I doubt it will surpass the lofty heights of Thor: The Dark World, but I'm sure it will be a fine movie on its own.

 

[Sgt. Kabukiman]

How is rating a movie a 7 make someone extremely hyperbolic? That's, like, the opposite of being hyperbolic.

In his reviews for Deadpool and Avengers, he described them as some of the best films he had ever seen and his favorite experiences in a movie theater. There's nothing wrong with that but you can't watch the reviews and tell me he wasn't hyperbolic.

And his reviews of Suicide Squad and BvS were super weird because he gave them a positive rating but he was clearly struggling to explain why. I think he doesn't want to be controversial about a film he knows is going to get a strong following. He's only truly negative about films like Fantastic Four or Gods of Egypt. Again, I don't think he's disingenuous on purpose, I just don't trust him with reviews for blockbuster films.

Speed Racer > the entire catalogue of the mcu and most comic book movies in general.

man i wish wachowskis tackled one of these properties, even in their current train wreck state of filmmaking.

I approve of this post.

 

[MattKeil]

Nothing in that video convinced me. It looked exactly what I would assume out of an MCU production, it looks only "trippy" inside the conventions of MCU and blockbusters. There's a nod to 2001. None of that is truly "trippy".

Look, I have zero confidence in this movie but you're just making no sense here. The Doctor Strange trailers have had insane visual work in them. My concern is that the film won't do anything to make me care about any of it, but to deny the creative work being put into the visuals is just silly.

The average superhero flick deserves a 2/10, not a 7.

Oh, I see.

I can count the number of superhero movies that bad on two hands, maybe. This superhero hate movement is fucking old as hell already.

 

[caliph95]

John Campea is honestly the least hyperbolic film critic I've ever seen, everything he says is always very level-headed and he said that the 15 minutes he saw earlier was the best visuals he had ever seen in a movie. Ever.

https://youtu.be/nKzvKGVOphw?t=3m

This movie is going to rock your socks off.

John Campea is extremely hyperbolic. I like the guy but aside from extreme cases like Fantastic Four, he gives every comic-book movie a pass and never grades them below a 7. I don't really trust his opinion on them even though he's a good youtube personnality otherwise.

Yeah i somewhat regularly follow Collider, Campea isn't the most critical of reviewers to say the least. So i'm taking what he says with a grain of salt.

 

[excelsiorlef]

IIn his reviews for Deadpool and Avengers, he described them as some of the best blockbusters he had ever seen and his favorite experiences in a movie theater. There's nothing wrong with that but you can't watch the reviews and tell me he wasn't hyperbolic.

And his reviews of Suicide Squad and BvS were super weird because he gave them a positive rating but he was clearly struggling to explain why. I think he doesn't want to be controversial about a film he knows is going to get a strong following. He's only truly negative about films like Fantastic Four or Gods of Egypt. Again, I don't think he's disingenuous on purpose, I just don't trust him with reviews for blockbuster films.

Key phrase is best blockusters....

Edit: You changed it to films, which was it best film or best blockbuster, those are not interchangeable.

 

[caliph95]

Speed Racer > the entire catalogue of the mcu and most comic book movies in general.

man i wish wachowskis tackled one of these properties, even in their current train wreck state of filmmaking.

I'm not the in love with most of MCU movies but wachowikis considering Jupiter ascending probably won't make it better. While pople for some reason loved it i was bored by Jupiter Ascending

 

[Sgt. Kabukiman]

Key phrase is best blockusters....

I edited! I don't remember exactly how he qualified them but while I respect his opinion, these reviews are the very definition of hyperbolic.

 

[SolidChamp]

Marvel keeps pushing boundries? Wat?

This is my problem with critics when it comes to Marvel films; they are completely impervious to strong, negative criticism. It's always the same fanboy wankfest.

I can't see a mainline MCU film ever scoring poorly with the critics.

 

[zoukka]

Look, I have zero confidence in this movie but you're just making no sense here. The Doctor Strange trailers have had insane visual work in them. My concern is that the film won't do anything to make me care about any of it, but to deny the creative work being put into the visuals is just silly.

Where did I deny that these effects are technically impressive or that there's a lot of work put into them? That's true for most blockbusters, but that doesn't guarantee the direction is good or that the effects support the rest of the movie. We have infinite number of bad movies that have cool special effects in them.

What I'm disagreeing with is that those scenes in the trailer didn't look especially trippy to me. In fact they looked exactly what I would expect.

 

[caliph95]

This is my problem with critics when it comes to Marvel films; they are completely impervious to strong, negative criticism. It's always the same fanboy wankfest.

I can't see a mainline MCU film ever scoring poorly with the critics.

Tbf i never seen much love either considering metacritic most of them never even past the 70s disregarding rotten tomatoes score. I think marvel films just hit the ceiling they aim for but never go past it.

 

[SargerusBR]

That Marvel Ego, it's planet sized

 

[Magic Mushroom]

The average superhero flick deserves a 2/10, not a 7.

Now THAT'S hyperbolic.

 

[duckroll]

It's true that Marvel keeps pushing boundaries, they keep pushing the boundary of how highly regarded totally safe and unchallenging films for mass audiences can be. I'm not a snob. I'm a Marvel fanboy. I enjoy most of the movies, but as time goes by I feel the increasing need to step back and make fun of how easily satisfied we have become with it all. Every new film that simply doesn't fall apart and fail is a "new gold standard" and every new sub-genre tackled that meets expectations of being entertaining is "groundbreaking" or "risky". No, it's not. I don't think Marvel films suck, far from it I think they have mastered the formula for satisfying audiences by controlling the expectations and then often surpassing it a little bit. It's like managing a fanclub really well. I think this is good for fans, but there's definitely a good amount of hyperbole and kool aid going round as well. So try not to be too self-conscious about it when people make fun.

 

[zoukka]

Now THAT'S hyperbolic.

Not if you actually us the whole scale instead of what most critics do.

 

[Discotheque]

It's true that Marvel keeps pushing boundaries, they keep pushing the boundary of how highly regarded totally safe and unchallenging films for mass audiences can be. I'm not a snob. I'm a Marvel fanboy. I enjoy most of the movies, but as time goes by I feel the increasing need to step back and make fun of how easily satisfied we have become with it all. Every new film that simply doesn't fall apart and fail is a "new gold standard" and every new sub-genre tackled that meets expectations of being entertaining is "groundbreaking" or "risky". No, it's not. I don't think Marvel films suck, far from it I think they have mastered the formula for satisfying audiences by controlling the expectations and then often surpassing it a little bit. It's like managing a fanclub really well. I think this is good for fans, but there's definitely a good amount of hyperbole and kool aid going round as well. So try not to be too self-conscious about it when people make fun.

bless up. said it in a far less obnoxious way than i would too.

 

[Bleepey]

I'm waiting for the guys at DoubleToasted to get around to it. I don't know why I trust their opinions so much but I do lol.

Impressions so far look strong though.

It's A shame they no longer do animated reviews. Their review of Sinister I believe with all of them being broke crackwhores tricking whilst Carlyle is rolling by gloating and mocking them cracks me up.

https://youtu.be/5huO9qjrxew

 

[SolidChamp]

It's true that Marvel keeps pushing boundaries, they keep pushing the boundary of how highly regarded totally safe and unchallenging films for mass audiences can be. I'm not a snob. I'm a Marvel fanboy. I enjoy most of the movies, but as time goes by I feel the increasing need to step back and make fun of how easily satisfied we have become with it all. Every new film that simply doesn't fall apart and fail is a "new gold standard" and every new sub-genre tackled that meets expectations of being entertaining is "groundbreaking" or "risky". No, it's not. I don't think Marvel films suck, far from it I think they have mastered the formula for satisfying audiences by controlling the expectations and then often surpassing it a little bit. It's like managing a fanclub really well. I think this is good for fans, but there's definitely a good amount of hyperbole and kool aid going round as well. So try not to be too self-conscious about it when people make fun.

This is so spot-on. I've said it I don't know how many times now, it's assembly line production movie making. It's calculated. It's safe. It's consistent. It's entertaining, sure, but there is nothing substantive or special about these movies.

They satisfy the masses. They are the formula standard for blockbuster movies nowadays. But unlike the pioneering, landmark pictures of the genre that came before, these movies lack soul. They're always so neat and tidy...and so fucking forgettable.

 

[duckroll]

Not if you actually us the whole scale instead of what most critics do.

I dunno, 2/10 is pretty hyperbolic. The biggest contention is whether Marvel films are average rather than "omg so fucking good", so at worst we're looking at 5/10 on a scale where if it meets the bare expectation and is well produced and nothing more. I think it would be hard for me to argue even Thor 2 deserves a 2/10, and I dislike that film more each year!

 

[Frozenprince]

A sliding review scale using a 1-10 rating conotates that a 2/10 wouldn't even be technically passible. It's basically "this isn't even viewable on a technical level because of camera work and editing." Going that low is usually reserved for something you can't even gleam passable cinematography from.

 

[Finaika]

I predict 80+% RT scores.

 

[- J - D -]

Not if you actually us the whole scale instead of what most critics do.

Nah. 2/10 is like Grown Ups 2 territory.

 

[Henkka]

A sliding review scale using a 1-10 rating conotates that a 2/10 wouldn't even be technically passible. It's basically "this isn't even viewable on a technical level because of camera work and editing." Going that low is usually reserved for something you can't even gleam passable cinematography from.

Seems pretty pointless to use 2/10 to mean a "broken" movie, since nothing like that is released in theatres anyway

 

[excelsiorlef]

This is my problem with critics when it comes to Marvel films; they are completely impervious to strong, negative criticism. It's always the same fanboy wankfest.

I can't see a mainline MCU film ever scoring poorly with the critics.

Probably because even their worst movie was actually just average....

 

[Frozenprince]

Seems pretty pointless to use 2/10 to mean a "broken" movie, since nothing like that is released in theatres anyway

You need to see more theatrical releases.

 

[duckroll]

Honestly, I feel that for something like film, a 4 star scale makes so much more sense. It's not really a math formula, it's largely based on feelings and opinions.

1 = That was awful and I gained nothing of value from that at all
2 = It was okay, nothing special though
3 = That was pretty good
4 = Really enjoyed it and have lots of interesting insights from the components

On that scale, the lowest you can go is 2.5/10 when converted. How is 2/10 not hyperbolic lol. Pls zoukka!

 

[Cipherr]

The best part about this stuff is the salt. Good lord

 

[Frozenprince]

Honestly, I feel that for something like film, a 4 star scale makes so much more sense. It's not really a math formula, it's largely based on feelings and opinions.

1 = That was awful and I gained nothing of value from that at all
2 = It was okay, nothing special though
3 = That was pretty good
4 = Really enjoyed it and have lots of interesting insights from the components

On that scale, the lowest you can go is 2.5/10 when converted. How is 2/10 not hyperbolic lol. Pls zoukka!

The double toasted/spill guys have the best one. Four real ratings, some old bull shit, rental, matinee, full price. Only the worst movies below bullshit (fuck you) and only the best above a full price (better than sex) and their personal enjoyment of it allows the rating to slide on a scale of high to low.

Simple, concise, gets the overall view of the film across.

 

[Peru]

First impressions, critics or otherwise, of these movies are always skewed way positive. I do hope they're right and this is one of very few Marvel movies that experiment and offer different action climaxes, but the final word on critical reception has not been said yet.

 

[duckroll]

The double toasted/spill guys have the best one. Four real ratings, some old bull shit, rental, matinee, full price. Only the worst movies below bullshit (fuck you) and only the best above a full price (better than sex) and their personal enjoyment of it allows the rating to slide on a scale of high to low.

Simple, concise, gets the overall view of the film across.

I'm not really a fan of that perspective for film critique. I can understand it, and I think a lot of people can relate to that, especially in the modern social media era where Youtube reviewers are more like semi-TV show hosts. But personally, I don't give a crap about using movie reviews as product recommendations. I'm not interested in whether it is "worth [x] dollars" or whatever. I'm interested in what a person has to say about a film, how much they enjoyed the sum and the parts, why, and what insights they have on the film and what interpretations they have of the material. In other words, I'm interested in a personal take on what the film was like, rather than concerning myself with the person considering whether someone else might like the film or find it worthwhile.

 

[excelsiorlef]

What I can say about the MCU is that it is the most reliable bang for you buck movie machine out there and absolutely no one else has come close to being able to replicate what they've done.


And while there is a forumla at times so far in the pantheon we have:

Two Corporate Action Films (Iron Man 1 and 2),North Mythyology sci-fi fantasy adventure (Thor), A WW 2 film (First Avenger), a Space Pulp Opera (Guardians), a film exploring PTSD (Ironman 3),A 70s style Spy flick (Winter Soldier), two more typical pure super her movies (Hulk and Ant-Man), Three massive continuity driven cross over team up blockbusters (Avengers, Age of Ultron and Civil War) and Thor: The Dark World.


And coming up we have a Magical Fantasy Adventure (Doctor Strange) and a Teen High School adventure (Spider-man Homecoming)

And then we have the street level Netflix stuff..

And they are all connected to varying degrees and are building to a climactic film in Infinity War. It's unprecedented.

Now maybe I'm being a bit loose with my genres, but the point is the films are rather different even if they have a Marvel style, I feel like Super Hero is less a genre and more a container to easily present a bunch of different ones.

 

[vaderise]

Can't wait for RT watch on GAF.