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is it possible that Rinse Pubus is hiding Mike Pence inside a box of darkness out of the loop or is Mike Pence complicit by just being Veep?
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House Intel Panel hearing on Russian involvement (3/20, 10am ET, livestream)
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CopperPuppy
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Not sure if posted yet.
I smell shook.
KernelPanic
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Pence has lied as well.
Dems sent him a letter warning about Flynn's foreign ties and he claimed later he didn't know.
I wouldn't be so quick to trust him. They picked him as VP for a reason.
Not sure if posted yet.
Yeah, that's some straight horse shit right there.
Ninja Scooter
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Nunes seems like a dude that has no idea what he's gotten himself into.
Netherscourge
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Not sure if posted yet.
^This is why we need an independent investigation.
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Don't hold your breath with the GOP's voter base. They, like the GOP itself, only have one question: who was Russia helping? Since they think the answer is "Republicans", they don't care, period. All they see is (R) vs (D), and they only care about issues they're told to get mad about. They will keep voting (R) until the day they die.
If you want to hope for something, hope this motivates potential Democrat voters.
they didn't win barely. hillary could have won wisconsin and still lost the election. hillary could have won florida, and still lost the election. hillary could have won several combinations of states that were supposedly sure blue but went to red, and still lost the election
sure, the margin on those states was slim, but trump had a total margin for failure for how many states he needed to win; along with the republicans dominating both houses of congress I don't know how this was "barely" a victory
worst case, IMHO, is Trump is removed quickly (say, this year), Pence brings control to the government, which could happen because, once more, he'd be more in line with what congress wants, and he is reelected in 2020; there is an advantage to incumbents and the Dems would not have an easy target with Trump
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SchrodingerC
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May I get a summary of the hearing please? The pieces I've read was mainly about Republicans deflecting like crazy.
because after evidence and proof is presented if they did not act they would kinda be committing treason as well.
He wouldn't automatically be complicit. He would have to be directly aware of Russian collusion as it happened.
That's going to be the hardest part about a trump impeachment as well. There may be a ton of connections with his advisors but if they can't prove trump had direct knowledge he isn't technically guilty of anything. At the very least his entire presidency will stink of Russian meddling and corruption even if he isn't removed from office.
I do kind of shudder to think if he makes it to 2020 and runs again though. The cult of personality around him driven by white nationalism is terrifying.
No it won't. Racism is prioritised over everything else, even country.
That's probably why Nunes looked like he was shitting himself the entire time.
KernelPanic
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I doubt it's all of them or that joke of a health care plan would have unanimous approval.
They just have stooges in key positions covering their ass.
also. they would want to get as far fucking away as possible.
It won't. They are so far down the "conservative" media propaganda hole that it doesn't matter, and at this point you should consider the die hard Trumpers a complete and total lost cause.
All that matters is getting everyone else out to vote.
Comey confirmed that there's an open investigation into Russian interference in the election, collusion with Trump's campaign, and the possible criminal ramifications of it. He also said there's no evidence of Obama wiretapping Trump.
Democrats asked a ton of questions regarding the Russian issue - Comey could answer almost nothing because he can't compromise the investigation.
Republicans asked a ton of questions about people leaking stories because snitches get stitches.
So I'm a bit confused with regards to the FBI and the committee investigations.
Does the news about the FBI conducting a full-fledged investigation mean that the bipartisan committee's work is basically done? As in, the FBI has gone public and is now taking the reigns?
Also, when there is a call for an independent investigator.... what is the difference between that and the FBI? Who would have what powers or be working with who if an "independent" investigator was brought in to take things over?
Nunes's remarks today are deeply, deeply concerning when it comes to the ability of a bipartisan committee to "follow the evidence where it leads." This isn't a political issue anymore.
Does the news about the FBI conducting a full-fledged investigation mean that the bipartisan committee's work is basically done? As in, the FBI has gone public and is now taking the reigns?
Also, when there is a call for an independent investigator.... what is the difference between that and the FBI? Who would have what powers or be working with who if an "independent" investigator was brought in to take things over?
Nunes's remarks today are deeply, deeply concerning when it comes to the ability of a bipartisan committee to "follow the evidence where it leads." This isn't a political issue anymore.
I don't think it'd be treason for congress?
but anyway I could easily see them kicking the issue ahead and waiting until 2021 to impeach Trump, once he is in his second term and thus no longer re-electable, so his usefulness would run out
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Lmao rep. Peter king on CNN right now blaming Obama for everything.
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The Greek Freak
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Go back and read the post because you clearly didn't lmao.
KernelPanic
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I still believe they only need to prove collusion with Russia for one or more people in the Trump campaign.
These aren't hardened criminals. When faced with a lifetime in prison they will rat out the rest in exchange for a deal.
Just like Watergate you nail the people at the bottom and they will start implicating more and more people higher up to save their own ass.
These aren't hardened criminals. When faced with a lifetime in prison they will rat out the rest in exchange for a deal.
Just like Watergate you nail the people at the bottom and they will start implicating more and more people higher up to save their own ass.
He would not get a 2nd term at that point. Regardless of anything. Honestly after this he wouldnt get a 2nd term even if there wasnt any evidence. He is tainted forever. There is too much Trump russia stuff that Republicans will be running away from Trump as fast as possible.
Typical Peter King.
This is kind of what I'm suspecting is going to happen too, especially now that it's out there that the feds are investigating all of this. People will start ratting in order to save their own skins.
That's exactly what one guy was saying on MSNBC.
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Eh.....
If there's any actual fire under all the smoke, I'd agree.
But if (and I stress IF) the Repubs think they can get away with it, they'll rely on the short memory span of the American Public 3 years from now.
It also depends on what other stupid stuff Trump may or may not get into, to be fair.
Thought you were exaggerating. Literally thinks Putin and Obama are BFF's
The House and Senate investigations will continue. Keep in mind that their investigations don't necessarily have to include criminal actions. They are free to come to their own decisions regardless of illegalities or lack thereof. For example, they could decide that even though the evidence is not sufficient for a trial, it could be sufficient for impeachment. This is unlikely though given who's in charge in Congress.
A independent or special prosecutor would be assigned by the AG (or in this case, deputy AG since Sessions has recused himself). This investigation would differ from a FBI investigation in that it could basically go wherever the information leads, does not have to report to anybody, and would have subpoena power.
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He's a slimy pos. He's saying the leaks coming out of he White House are more damaging than possible collusion between Russia and the White House.
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Ninja Scooter
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That's still the guy that Trump brought back after Obama let him go right? So I don't see that happening.
KernelPanic
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It's already happened with JD Gordon. Which I don't think was mentioned in the hearing?
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/jd-gordon-trump-adviser-ukraine-rnc-2017-3
I think it's inevitable.
OK so we're looking at sort of the... second best possible outcome right now? It's good that the FBI is involved but there is still room for improvement in the form of an independent investigator?
Is there any chance that that actually happens? I know that Schiff was pushing hard for that, but with how divided things are, it's hard to see a Democrat's wishes alone steering things.
It was a long hearing but he was mentioned once or twice.
On top of people ratting out higher ups to save their own skin, I think the possibility of Trump getting impeached progressively becomes greater if Republicans feel their 2018 seats starting to get warm. Basically, the longer and deeper this goes from this point onward I think we'll start to see the GOP eat Trump alive out of self preservation
He's the current standing deputy AG but he wouldn't make the decision. It would be Rosenstein who decides if/when he's confirmed.
Yeah, I mean it's good that the FBI is investigating but there's still major concerns given they fall under the Justic dept, and Trump has appointed those who would determine where to go after the investigation concludes (or for that matter, could be involving themselves in the investigation somehow).
The benefit of a special prosecutor is you don't have to worry about them reporting to anyone. They have full independence. The downside of course, is that with the rules nowadays they are appointed by the AG or deputy AG, so you still run into the flaw of them being selected by someone who was appointed by the WH. This did not use to be the case. Up until the 90's when the AG and Deputy AG recused it would then go to a panel of 3 judges to decide on a special prosecutor, but that law has lapsed and is no longer the case.
The benefit of a independent committee (AKA a non-partisan group agreed upon by Congress) would be that they can basically do what the house/senate is doing, but hopefully without the partisanship. Any conclusions drawn by an independent committee would be much more trustworthy than the House or Senate since you wouldn't have possible operatives attempting to undermine the investigation. This is unlikely too though as it would have to come from Congress.
So yeah, I think this is pretty much the best we can hope for (for now), but we still need to keep pressure up, particularly to appoint a special prosecutor. I don't care what people say about Rosenstein, he should not be tasked with Justice department decisions possibly regarding his freakin boss (since Sessions is possibly involved in the investigation as well).
What's up with these URLs that don't actually point directly to the linked article?
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Did Trump even have the slightest idea he was being investigated?
Considering how chummy he originally was with Comey, I'd say this blindsided him.
Considering how chummy he originally was with Comey, I'd say this blindsided him.
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And there is no bigger rat than Roger Stone. He's the easiest to nail judging by the trail of self-incriminating shit he has done/said. Take this guy in for questioning and he will ratfuck evetyone. In fact he proudly calls himself a ratfucker.
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