opticalmace
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For power are they just hooked into the cigarette lighter normally?
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VIDEO: Motorcyclist kicks car, triggers chain-reaction crash on 14 Freeway
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For power are they just hooked into the cigarette lighter normally?
As stated previously, lane splitting is legal in Australia.
Traffic filtering and lane splitting in actually safer than the alternative, because it allows bikes to get to the front of the pack, away from cars that will kill it.
In addition, the bus and carpool lanes in many country allow motorcycles to ride in them.
You have no fucking idea what you're talking about.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
He kinda rides like a dick
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
You're right really. But fuck It, how else will they learn? I dont like the idea of them waiting to kill a rider because they're inattentitive before waking the fuck up.
You have no way of knowing that? look at the video, it's clear as day the driver of the car tried to surving and hit the motorcyclist. I don't know how anyone can deny that.
The main thing the motorcyclist is guilty of is leaving the scene of the accident but the car driver should be charged with something because he was the one who tried to hit the motorcylist and he caused the accident.
Exactly, it's clear as day from the video.
Disagree, It looks like he intentionally tried to hit the biker. It doesn't look unintentional at all.
Being legal doesn't make it any less stupid.
The safest thing would be to just go with the flow of traffic.
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
An example of how clueless drivers like the ones posting in this thread are
Lane filtering/lane splitting has been proven to be 6 times safer for motorcycles.
It's really sad. As if one bad apple means that we're all irresponsible, road raging dick heads.
I've been nearly killed so many times on my bike that I have lost count, but WE'RE the assholes - not the countless jackasses on the road who NEVER pay attention.
Really, as soon as self driving cars are a widespread thing human drivers should just be outlawed wholesale.
Bus Lanes? Speed? The guy goes way to fast for the road conditions. Drives aggressively - doesn''t slow down when he sees cars miles ahead coming into the lane.
There's no way I'd drive a car like that, nevermind a motor bike.
Dude, I've been riding bikes for a decade, and I don't drive anything like the video you posted. Person in that video WILL get in an accident. If the driver is at fault, you think the rider will take comfort knowing that while they are paralyzed in a wheel chair? Drive defensively ffs.
That has proven to be untrue. It is safest to get out ahead of traffic. When you traffic filter, you can float in "pockets" of traffic free zones (usually developed between traffic lights). It's why traffic filtering, especially at stop lights, should be legal everywhere IMO.
A friend of my brother was killed a few weeks ago because he was on the highway, in traffic, stopped, when some inattentive dickhead rear-ended him and sent him flying. He broke his neck.
You continue to show your own ignorance of the topic, despite multiple bikers telling you otherwise. When will you hear reason?
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
There definitely seems to be a certain level of entitlement on his part. Most of the turns seem fairly legitimate, its not like car drivers don't have to repeatedly slow down for people turning into their lane as well. None of the turns into the road look like anything dangerous and would look perfectly normal if he slowed down slightly. Some of the lane changes seem dodgy, but in a large majority he is overtaking on the inside going much faster than the flow of traffic.
Both should probably lose their license.
Kick is a dipshit move on a bike. Attempted murder for $500 body shop bill is insane.
I can't blame the motorcycle guy for peacing out, my way of dealing with road raging drivers is to accelerate and leave.
Props to the bike guy though for not going down, driver sucks and can't even control a family sedan.
Kick is a dipshit move on a bike. Attempted murder for $500 body shop bill is insane.
I can't blame the motorcycle guy for peacing out, my way of dealing with road raging drivers is to accelerate and leave.
Props to the bike guy though for not going down, driver sucks and can't even control a family sedan.
The biker should be charged with assault, reckless driving, and hit and run. Regardless of whether or not he was provoked before the video, he is absolutely, unequivocally guilty of those crimes and should be charged for them.
If I were a jury member, I'd convict the driver of the sedan of attempted murder. My guess as to what happened in the minutes leading up to this would be that he's also guilty of reckless driving.
Nothing exonerates the biker in my eyes, and I'd leave it up to a judge and jury to determine the fate of the other driver.
If I were a jury member, I'd convict the driver of the sedan of attempted murder. My guess as to what happened in the minutes leading up to this would be that he's also guilty of reckless driving.
Nothing exonerates the biker in my eyes, and I'd leave it up to a judge and jury to determine the fate of the other driver.
UK Police Motorcyclists do advanced rider training for civilians and the specific advice is to not get caught up in the middle of a queue of traffic as that's where you're the least safe as a motorcyclist. Advice is to make progress where safe to do so, in a predictable fashion.
Regarding filtering specifically, if you look at accident statistics in a country where it's well established like Britain, the vast majority of motorcycle accidents are multi-vehicle collisions at junctions, with single-vehicle accidents on bends being number 2. Filtering at a slow speed not only reduces congestion, it isn't statistically dangerous when it is accepted practice on the road
And now I'm out of this thread as otherwise I'll be going around in circles for hours. All I'll add is every biker has experienced many, many SMIDSY-type situations from inattentive car drivers, and you can't just blame reckless driving. Fuck, I don't even exceed the bloody speed limit and it's happened to me enough. In the end it is our responsibility because you are the only person you can trust on the road (which is why road rage is such a pointless endeavour, live and let live or you'll get yourself killed, something the rider in the video clearly forgot)
cpp_is_king
Member
Lane splitting when practiced safely. Which almost nobody ever does
Krauser Kat
Member
Most areas let bikes ride in the bus lane and split lanes if its safer. He didnt seem like he was speeding more then cars in any of the video.
Actually it is still debated, but going 15+ mph faster than the cars is extremely dangerous.
NoFaceNico
Member
Welcome to NeoGAF. A place where we can look at video of a car intentionally swerving into a motorcyclist and believe "the driver just panicked, no biggie, not his fault, I'd probably have done the same TBH."
But video of a cop unloading on a driver during a traffic stop because he believed he was reaching for a gun IS CAPITAL MURDER!! He should have known! Cops aren't supposed to panic, haven't you seen Robocop!!?!? He pulled over the driver so he can murder him!! He should be hanged by noon.
HappehLemons
Member
Anyone who thinks the driver did that by accident is an idiot. Motorcycles are loud as fuck, and he was pulled up right next to the guys Window.
Can't believe people are defending the driver of the car. He 100% tried to kill that biker.
Can't believe people are defending the driver of the car. He 100% tried to kill that biker.
The bike didn't peace out, he helped cause a chain incident and left people hurt.
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
Read the thread, you'll quickly learn the killing bikers is 90% of gafs favourite passtime.
ryutaro's mama
Member
Naw, let's just defend the behavior of the guy in the video because he is a fellow rider.
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Snkfanatic
Banned
He is? I mean yeah he is speeding in some of the clips but nothing that excessive....I see people constantly merging into his lane and not looking out more than a "dangerous lunatic"
TheOohChild
Member
Biker deserves a fine and a fucked up driving record. Car driver deserves a multi-year prison sentence. Can't even comprehend this asinine panicking explanation.
Fucking ragers
Fucking ragers
HellforLeather
Member
This. Ive noticed in 99.9% of GAF threads involving a motorcycle there is always a good size of variations of "hes on a motorcycle...fuck him".
Filtering or lane splitting is safer....but it also goes without saying that if you are splitting going 50mph when traffic is stopped, is not safe....or legal. However, I cant count how many times I've been riding and obeying laws 100% but almost get hit by an inattentive driver. I live in California and its literally almost an occurrence every time I get on the bike.
ryutaro's mama
Member
And I used to see that shit all the time when I lived in SoCal. Especially in stopped traffic on the 405 and other such places.
Trojita
Rapid Response Threadmaker
I'm going to need a source on this claim.
A Link to the Past
Banned
You're synthesizing an argument. That it was an ongoing thing is not sufficient an argument to say that the driver was even aware of the biker until the kick, and possibly not even then.
Well, here's my question: what makes it look intentional? If you were in a court of law, how would you prove intent from just the video?
HellforLeather
Member
People in Socal drive like assholes generally, not just bikers. I lived there for 27 years. I definitely know how it is.
Riding a motorcycle in Socal while splitting lanes at reasonable speeds Ive had people in cars: scream while Im next to them trying to startle me, intentionally swerve to block me, open doors, throw shit from their cars, yell and scream for no other reason that they are stuck in traffic and I am not. None of these were rare occurrences either. The swerving thing usually happened a few times in a 25 mile commute.
Holy shit
Do you have a duty to wait around and see if everyone is ok after someone tries to kill you?
Trojita
Rapid Response Threadmaker
And where does it say that "six times safer"?
NoFaceNico
Member
Your Honor, it was a typical day, I was heading back home after delivering toys to the orphanage. I was driving in the leftmost lane, then I saw a motorcyclist coming up on my left hand side, so I unintentionally yanked my steering wheel to the left and slammed into the concrete barrier precisely where I expected the motorcyclist to be at that point.
HellforLeather
Member
Not sure where the "6 times safer"
not even sure how you would quantify this....like per mile?
The most the loud replies here don't even make me flinch lol. I should have bet there would have been more people here who blame the motorcycle rider.
Serious question to everyone who blames the motorcycle rider - do you guys realize how exposed motorcycle riders are? Hell I would never drive a motorcycle because even a small bumb can be fatal. Once you realize how dangerous it is, you can't blame the guy for being mad as hell when a dangerous driver encased in 3-4k lbs of steel has almost knocked (and still doesn't realize or care) you down at speeds that would almost certainly mean you aren't going home to meet your wife/kids/family ever again
Serious question to everyone who blames the motorcycle rider - do you guys realize how exposed motorcycle riders are? Hell I would never drive a motorcycle because even a small bumb can be fatal. Once you realize how dangerous it is, you can't blame the guy for being mad as hell when a dangerous driver encased in 3-4k lbs of steel has almost knocked (and still doesn't realize or care) you down at speeds that would almost certainly mean you aren't going home to meet your wife/kids/family ever again
Trojita
Rapid Response Threadmaker
People say the darnedest shit.
ryutaro's mama
Member
From the guy in this thread that spouted it off as fact with no provided proof.
SatansReverence
PlayALLtheGames
Banned
I would instinctively slow down at least, move right if possible. If you can't make quick decisions as a driver (and 3 seconds is a decent amount of time in that context), you're a bad driver.
Trojita
Rapid Response Threadmaker
That's my point. Even studies with percentage points would only lead to a fraction of a percent. The "six times safer" thing sounds like complete bullshit based on all the studies I've seen. None of the studies would even dare to say a person was twice as safe.
HellforLeather
Member
This. The motorcyclist definitely made the situation worse but the car straight up attempted murder. At no point were the lives of the people in the car threatened by the guy kicking the door, but the biker very likely could have been killed by being sideswiped by the car.
HellforLeather
Member
Gotcha, I thought your stance was questioning the safety of it vs. sitting in traffic, not the "6 times". My mistake.
You're right. We'd have to see footage before the incident. Although if the car wasn't even aware the biker was there until the kick, that's a pretty shitty driver. Also, do you think it's instinctual to swerve when you hear a noise? Especially on a highway. I'd argue most people would clutch the steering wheel and probably brake. Typically people would swerve to avoid something, why swerve if you're not dodging anything?
Very easy to say in an alternate future where nothing happened.
A Link to the Past
Banned
You posted a jokey post in reply to my question, but it does really seem like intent is probable.
But then you go on an insane tangent defending a cop for shooting a man who said he wasn't reaching for his gun because he thought he was reaching for a gun.
My gahd.
Tom Nook
Member
Clear Video of the accident.
Some Observations:
Looks likes there were some verbal exchanges before the kick.
The kick caused a big dent on the driver's side door. (Might be there already - who knows?)
The car did appear to side swipe the bike just after the kick.
The car could've exploded when hitting the barrier O_O.
The biker has to see both the Car and the SUV crashes.
The biker left the scene after the crash.
Some Observations:
Looks likes there were some verbal exchanges before the kick.
The kick caused a big dent on the driver's side door. (Might be there already - who knows?)
The car did appear to side swipe the bike just after the kick.
The car could've exploded when hitting the barrier O_O.
The biker has to see both the Car and the SUV crashes.
The biker left the scene after the crash.
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