opticalmace
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They either use suction cups are Velcro.
For power are they just hooked into the cigarette lighter normally?
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They either use suction cups are Velcro.
As stated previously, lane splitting is legal in Australia.Even if what you are saying is true(which it isn't), you still shouldn't be swerving in between cars like that.
Because 99.9% of car vs bike incidents are caused by innatentative dumbasses in cars.
look left, look right, look bike.
Mate, I know you are upset about the accident but I'm going to break my longstanding avoidance of these threads to tell you its not worth it, this stuff is like debating a brick wall. People like this just view us as scum.
The biker kicking the car can be seen as attempted murder as it started the chain reaction that lead to the SUV flip.
The biker driving the fuck away as fast as he can after causing this shit is infuriating.
You have no way of knowing that? look at the video, it's clear as day the driver of the car tried to surving and hit the motorcyclist. I don't know how anyone can deny that.You're basically forming your argument backwards. You think people who try to run someone off the road is bad, and you've decided to attach that to the driver. I guess I would ask you, if you were prosecuting the driver of the Sedan, what argument would you present? What evidence exists that says that the driver is guilty of a crime beyond reasonable doubt? I understand that people don't have to think like juries in real life, but at the same time, establishing that you think that the driver did something wrong and looking for justifications to back up your mindset is not good either.
The biker is being blamed for being the person who we know, for a fact, did something stupid, dangerous, and irresponsible.
It's reasonably likely that the driver may have tried to hit the biker, but we have no way of knowing that. There is significant plausible deniability by the driver, because yes, being kicked COULD have caused the driver to react in a panic.
Seriously, defending road ragers is shocking. Not the worst thing I've seen on NeoGAF I admit, but it's just weird.
Exactly, it's clear as day from the video.Car almost hit the biker while trying to cut him off from the right. Then then biker kicks the car, and the car driver tries to bump him off his bike and fucks up. I really don't understand how anyone sees it differently. The car driver fucked up. I've watched the YouTube version and it seems clear to me.
Disagree, It looks like he intentionally tried to hit the biker. It doesn't look unintentional at all.Fuck that bike rider. I love how it appears like the biker kept going even after seeing the flipped over truck... Hope they catch the fucking asshole.
I honestly don't think the sedan slerving into the biker was intentional. The video of slow-mo made it kinda clear to me that it happened instantly. Prob got scared and over-reacted thinking he got hit/etc. As he slerved instantly.
Being legal doesn't make it any less stupid.As stated previously, lane splitting is legal in Australia.
Traffic filtering and lane splitting in actually safer than the alternative, because it allows bikes to get to the front of the pack, away from cars that will kill it.
In addition, the bus and carpool lanes in many country allow motorcycles to ride in them.
You have no fucking idea what you're talking about.
Is this suppose be an example of safe motorcycling?
Being legal doesn't make it any less stupid.
It's really sad. As if one bad apple means that we're all irresponsible, road raging dick heads.Mate, I know you are upset about the accident but I'm going to break my longstanding avoidance of these threads to tell you its not worth it, this stuff is like debating a brick wall. People like this just view us as scum.
An example of how clueless drivers like the ones posting in this thread are
Lane filtering/lane splitting has been proven to be 6 times safer for motorcycles.
An example of how clueless drivers like the ones posting in this thread are
Lane filtering/lane splitting has been proven to be 6 times safer for motorcycles.
That has proven to be untrue. It is safest to get out ahead of traffic. When you traffic filter, you can float in "pockets" of traffic free zones (usually developed between traffic lights). It's why traffic filtering, especially at stop lights, should be legal everywhere IMO.Being legal doesn't make it any less stupid.
The safest thing would be to just go with the flow of traffic.
There definitely seems to be a certain level of entitlement on his part. Most of the turns seem fairly legitimate, its not like car drivers don't have to repeatedly slow down for people turning into their lane as well. None of the turns into the road look like anything dangerous and would look perfectly normal if he slowed down slightly. Some of the lane changes seem dodgy, but in a large majority he is overtaking on the inside going much faster than the flow of traffic.Is this suppose be an example of safe motorcycling?
Being legal doesn't make it any less stupid.
The safest thing would be to just go with the flow of traffic.
An example of how clueless drivers like the ones posting in this thread are
Lane filtering/lane splitting has been proven to be 6 times safer for motorcycles.
Is this suppose be an example of safe motorcycling?
Actually it is still debated, but going 15+ mph faster than the cars is extremely dangerous.That has proven to be untrue. It is safest to get out ahead of traffic. When you traffic filter, you can float in "pockets" of traffic free zones (usually developed between traffic lights). It's why traffic filtering, especially at stop lights, should be legal everywhere IMO.
A friend of my brother was killed a few weeks ago because he was on the highway, in traffic, stopped, when some inattentive dickhead rear-ended him and sent him flying. He broke his neck.
You continue to show your own ignorance of the topic, despite multiple bikers telling you otherwise. When will you hear reason?
You have no way of knowing that? look at the video, it's clear as day the driver of the car tried to surving and hit the motorcyclist. I don't know how anyone can deny that.
The main thing the motorcyclist is guilty of is leaving the scene of the accident but the car driver should be charged with something because he was the one who tried to hit the motorcylist and he caused the accident.
Exactly, it's clear as day from the video.
Disagree, It looks like he intentionally tried to hit the biker. It doesn't look unintentional at all.
The bike didn't peace out, he helped cause a chain incident and left people hurt.Both should probably lose their license.
Kick is a dipshit move on a bike. Attempted murder for $500 body shop bill is insane.
I can't blame the motorcycle guy for peacing out, my way of dealing with road raging drivers is to accelerate and leave.
Props to the bike guy though for not going down, driver sucks and can't even control a family sedan.
Anyone who thinks the driver did that by accident is an idiot. Motorcycles are loud as fuck, and he was pulled up right next to the guys Window.
Can't believe people are defending the driver of the car. He 100% tried to kill that biker.
Dude, I've been riding bikes for a decade, and I don't drive anything like the video you posted. Person in that video WILL get in an accident. If the driver is at fault, you think the rider will take comfort knowing that while they are paralyzed in a wheel chair? Drive defensively ffs.
Related question: any recommendations for a good front and rear dash cam, with a decent recording duration? I see and deal with some crazy shit on my commute and in the event I do get into an accident I want to document the cause.
The biker in that video is a dangerous lunatic.
Read the thread, you'll quickly learn the killing bikers is 90% of gafs favourite passtime.
Filtering or lane splitting is safer....but it also goes without saying that if you are splitting going 50mph when traffic is stopped, is not safe....or legal.
Lane filtering/lane splitting has been proven to be 6 times safer for motorcycles.
No way dude, the car totally swerved into that bike on purpose. This was ongoing, the biker (not that I agree with them) kicked the car for a reason. The car likely cut them off or stole their lane, biker kicked, car swerved into biker. Two idiots doing stupid road rage-y shit.
You have no way of knowing that? look at the video, it's clear as day the driver of the car tried to surving and hit the motorcyclist. I don't know how anyone can deny that.
The main thing the motorcyclist is guilty of is leaving the scene of the accident but the car driver should be charged with something because he was the one who tried to hit the motorcylist and he caused the accident.
Exactly, it's clear as day from the video.
Disagree, It looks like he intentionally tried to hit the biker. It doesn't look unintentional at all.
And I used to see that shit all the time when I lived in SoCal. Especially in stopped traffic on the 405 and other such places.
Welcome to NeoGAF. A place where we can look at video of a car intentionally swerving into a motorcyclist and believe "the driver just panicked, no biggie, not his fault, I'd probably have done the same TBH."
But video of a cop unloading on a driver during a traffic stop because he believed he was reaching for a gun IS CAPITAL MURDER!! He should have known! Cops aren't supposed to panic, haven't you seen Robocop!!?!? He pulled over the driver so he can murder him!! He should be hanged by noon.
The bike didn't peace out, he helped cause a chain incident and left people hurt.
Well, here's my question: what makes it look intentional? If you were in a court of law, how would you prove intent from just the video?
And where does it say that "six times safer"?
Holy shit
Not sure where the "6 times safer"argument came from.not even sure how you would quantify this....like per mile?
Wtf is he supposed to do to stop that from happening? It all takes place in like 3 seconds.
Not sure where the "6 times safer"argument came from but its definitely safer.not even sure how you would quantify this....like per mile?
It seems like the crash was actually caused by the car driver reacting by trying to ram the motorcyclist into the guardrail? Like. The biker was of course wrong but the car driver seems to have made the bigger mistake
That's my point. Even studies with percentage points would only lead to a fraction of a percent. The "six times safer" thing sounds like complete bullshit based on all the studies I've seen. None of the studies would even dare to say a person was twice as safe.
You're synthesizing an argument. That it was an ongoing thing is not sufficient an argument to say that the driver was even aware of the biker until the kick, and possibly not even then.
I would instinctively slow down at least, move right if possible. If you can't make quick decisions as a driver (and 3 seconds is a decent amount of time in that context), you're a bad driver.
Welcome to NeoGAF. A place where we can look at video of a car intentionally swerving into a motorcyclist and believe "the driver just panicked, no biggie, not his fault, I'd probably have done the same TBH."
But video of a cop unloading on a driver during a traffic stop because he believed he was reaching for a gun IS CAPITAL MURDER!! He should have known! Cops aren't supposed to panic, haven't you seen Robocop!!?!? He pulled over the driver so he can murder him!! He should be hanged by noon.