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Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions |OT| Wanna dodge this nut's attacks?
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Captain Europe
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It does, I believe this is the first 60fps Mario and Luigi game.
Super nitpicky thing. As a RPG player who tries to keep my party equally leveled as possible, I REALLY wish when I level up, I could see the other brother's stats so I don't have one that's more overpowered in one area over the other. Especially since the bottom screen will always display their stats during battle.
Also, is it just me, or does the game feel a lot easier? The first two bosses I fought, I think it only took me 3 or 4 turns to defeat them. I don't think it's because I'm overpowered because I'd always fight all the enemies in the original.
Also, is it just me, or does the game feel a lot easier? The first two bosses I fought, I think it only took me 3 or 4 turns to defeat them. I don't think it's because I'm overpowered because I'd always fight all the enemies in the original.
Greatest Ever
Member
Walked by it and almost bought it... But I can't. The original is one of my favorite games of all time. This just looks so much worse.
Hmmmmm....so instead of "Advanced Bros. Attacks" that you'd perform during a regular Bros. Attack by pressing a different button during a specific moment, they're now "Super Bros. Attacks" that cost more & are considered a separate attack now.
I...don't know how to feel about that. My guess is the Advanced versions were considered "too powerful" or something so in exchange, you gotta pay more bros points to use them.
At the very least, you still learn them the same way, & I THINK you learn them quicker now? I learned both Super versions of the first Bros. attack for each brother during the 3rd boss battle (which also only took about 3 or 4 turns)
I...don't know how to feel about that. My guess is the Advanced versions were considered "too powerful" or something so in exchange, you gotta pay more bros points to use them.
At the very least, you still learn them the same way, & I THINK you learn them quicker now? I learned both Super versions of the first Bros. attack for each brother during the 3rd boss battle (which also only took about 3 or 4 turns)
Spinosaurus
Member
I'm...actually liking Bowser's Minions. It's just fun to do on the side lol, and the dialog's great.
Steve McQueen
Member
I love the original, still own a boxed copy, but I really like this version too. Only played for a hour or so, but it's still great. Shame that the game doesn't support 3D though.
Captain Europe
Member
I'm surprised, this is probably one of the best, if not the best looking 3DS game. 60fps, amazing colours, and everything being 2D means no aliasing.
Captain Europe
Member
No, most of the weird ass characters seem to be intact.
Astral Dog
Member
Don't listen to the haters judge by yourself on the review thread
Brawly Likes to Brawl
Member
Outside of the obvious changes like the new artstyle, this still feels just like the original.
"Judge by yourself by listening to the opinions of a different set of people"?
Astral Dog
Member
i meant the picture comparing the new Sprites but im too lazy to look for it
purseowner
Member
My copy was delayed a day and I had fury, but tomorrow all will be well.
i meant the picture comparing the new Sprites but im too lazy to look for it
Oh, yeah, my bad, haha. Though having played an hour-ish up to Dragohoho that picture actually sells the remake a bit short. Despite the regrettable changes it still looks quite slick and charming in motion and at the proper resolution, even if I am still partial to the original sprites. The gameplay changes are a bit harder to adapt to, but hey, there's always the Wii U VC, I guess.
EDIT: since we're on the subject it might as well be here too.
Nocturnowl
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Man, they actually DID go and make the DK skeleton a standard one, I was only half expecting that when I posted as such in another recent thread.
Most of the sprites come out unscathed but does this also indicate those robo chomp things were changed to mecha koopas?
Most of the sprites come out unscathed but does this also indicate those robo chomp things were changed to mecha koopas?
The Cool One
Member
Hopefully Nintendo learns that Bros attack needs to come back and stay. Fudge bro. Items
So Bowser's Minions isn't unlocked until after you
(I doubt this is a real spoiler, but meh), which is about 3ish hours into the game.
Amiibo function in the main game unlocks after
Scanning 1 gets you
while each additional stamp nets you
. Placing a stamp for clearing one of the Bowser's Minions missions (which is just "recruit these specific characters"), gets you
I didn't get anything special for having all 10 of the Mario amiibos/stamps unless it's something later on.
leave the mountain & beat that mine cart mini game
Amiibo function in the main game unlocks after
beating Queen Bean & reentering the town, you'll see an amiibo icon over someone's head
Scanning 1 gets you
the Chuckola Badge (makes enemies more likely to drop items)
3 of each type of bean
#1 Trousers
I didn't get anything special for having all 10 of the Mario amiibos/stamps unless it's something later on.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Listening to the soundtrack has made me want this game. I thought I heard the soundtrack was weak, but it basically sounds exactly how I imagined the GBA originals would sound if the GBA didn't have a garbage sound chip
Brawly Likes to Brawl
Member
You can definitely hear Shinomura's style more easily in the 3DS version.
Spinosaurus
Member
I think I actually spent more time on Bowser's Minions than the main game at this point.
It's not particularly good or anything, I just wanna keep recruiting minions, making up army formations and just see more of the writing lol.
It's not particularly good or anything, I just wanna keep recruiting minions, making up army formations and just see more of the writing lol.
eXistor
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Busy month and the last two M&L games haven't been great imo. Diminishing returns and all. I did pick this up though, I've only played Superstar Saga at launch and I really don't remember much of it so it'll be fun to compare this to the later games.
Spinosaurus
Member
Check the records at the title screen, you'll see records for allies and enemies. The one's in allies are recruitable. Surprisingly Rex isn't.
Could have sworn I saw him being used in a preview on the player side. Maybe it was testing or something.
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
Member
So hyped, can't wait for my copy to arrive
Noticed a change in one of the items you get from brewing blends in the cafe
...speaking of brewing blends, they really changed it up. Instead of a whopping 25 beans, you only need 10 of a specific kind, but in exchange, instead of upping your stats by 4 points, it's only 2.
Instead of the Power Grip (which serves no purpose now considering you never let go of the hammer now), you get an item that looks like the Virtual Boy called "Secret Specs" that lets you see hidden blocks
...also Great Force looks like the Triforce & even plays the DA-DA-DA-DAAAAAAAA jingle from Zelda
...also Great Force looks like the Triforce & even plays the DA-DA-DA-DAAAAAAAA jingle from Zelda
...speaking of brewing blends, they really changed it up. Instead of a whopping 25 beans, you only need 10 of a specific kind, but in exchange, instead of upping your stats by 4 points, it's only 2.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
Member
A nice tip for people looking to to get the best level up bonuses
Alternatively, you can just abuse the home screen by clicking the home button and then when you see the game paused over a good stat boost, you hold A as you get back in the game.
Alternatively, you can just abuse the home screen by clicking the home button and then when you see the game paused over a good stat boost, you hold A as you get back in the game.
Professor Beef
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Nintendo probably didn't wanna pay Square for a worthless cameo ¯_(ツ_/¯
_/¯
Toadthemushroom
Member
I started Bowsers Minions yesterday and Ive already spent three or four hours on it! The dialogue is superb, and the combat becomes increasingly more complex. Success really depends on how you configure your team for each battle, and which commands you use at the right time. I love saving up command points so I can use Chance twice in the last round of each battle.
Its an amazing remake. Like other have mentioned theyve nerfed some things (better Bros Moves cost more) and buffed others (Ive definitely been getting a lot of Red Pepper drops) and the visuals are gorgeous. The perfect blend of pixel art sprites, and drawn backgrounds, and lighting and shadow work. Looks fantastic in motion.
Dream Team and Paper Jam Bros were 30fps
Its an amazing remake. Like other have mentioned theyve nerfed some things (better Bros Moves cost more) and buffed others (Ive definitely been getting a lot of Red Pepper drops) and the visuals are gorgeous. The perfect blend of pixel art sprites, and drawn backgrounds, and lighting and shadow work. Looks fantastic in motion.
Dream Team and Paper Jam Bros were 30fps
Spinosaurus
Member
Bowser's Minions is actually getting a bit hard for me haha. (middle of the beach chapter)
Gonna play more of the main game for now.
Gonna play more of the main game for now.
Toadthemushroom
Member
Thats exactly where I am! Just scraping by every battle right now, theyve been really close.
I am looking at the release during when this game came out on the GBA.
The Legend of Zelda : Wind Waker
Warioware Inc.
Fire Emblem (1st FE game ever for US)
F-Zero GX
Beyond Good & Evil
Castlevania : Aria of Sorrow
Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
Golden Sun: The Lost Age
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
Call of Duty (1st CoD)
GTA: Vice City
Diagaea
Steve McQueen
Member
About 2 hours in and the game is as great and charming as in 2003. Really adorable characters.
Is there an interview for this game? Bowser's minions seems like a direct response to how
I know my friend and I way back talked about it being weird but I never thought there was any big enough discussion for it to reach Nintendo, granted they could have looked at the old game during this project, thought the same thing and created the minion game to fill in the holes.
it made absolutely no sense for Bowser's minions to be helping Bowletta.
TheSpaceBetween
Member
I was considering getting this game, as I've never played the original. But then I saw that there is no 3D. There is absolutely no excuse not to have it. No buy for me.
Interesting playing this game since I played the original for the first time last year and I am already doing better as I am quickly defeating bosses and actually unlocking the super bros moves, something I didn't do as I never used them on regular enemies.
Also unlocked Bowser's Minions part of the game and...eh it's a thing I mean it's funny but I don't like the game play it's seems to be luck base with a few buttons prompts, I will probably switch between the two game play until Bowser's Minions forces me to grind after a defeat then I will just stick to the main game.
Also unlocked Bowser's Minions part of the game and...eh it's a thing I mean it's funny but I don't like the game play it's seems to be luck base with a few buttons prompts, I will probably switch between the two game play until Bowser's Minions forces me to grind after a defeat then I will just stick to the main game.
Toadthemushroom
Member
The game isn't designed with 3D polygonal backgrounds so 3D would look terrible. You'd have flat 2D drawn or pixel art backgrounds with a few 3D objects on top. Recreating Superstar Saga's world in polygonal 3D wouldn't work unless it was "fake 3D" like with A Link Between Worlds, but its world has always been denser and more detailed than the 3D Mario and Luigi games (Paper Jam, Dream Team).
On the plus side, ditching 3D has led to the most detail and colour rich backgrounds the series has ever had, plus a doubling of framerate to 60fps after the 3D 3DS games dropped the framerate to 30.
Glad you're sticking to it. It starts off simple but introduces new mechanics after every 1-2 battles, and by the second boss it's a lot more complex than how it started.
I've just beaten the fourth boss and I haven't had to grind once. Smart team set-up relative to the weakness triangle and where your and the enemy's minions position themselves and use of command points are key to victory.