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[Blargonaut]

Thusly, I propose the following "read team" pairings:

Darryl & Dr. Worm --> responsible for providing reads on: SkyOdin, BlackBuzzard
LaunchpadMcQ & Swamped --> responsible for providing reads on: Palmer_v1, acohrs
Palmer_v1 & StanleyPalmtree --> responsible for providing reads on: WhereAreMahDragonz, isaacnukem
acohrs & WhereAreMahDragonz --> responsible for providing reads on: Darryl, Lifeline
Lifeline & Verelios --> responsible for providing reads on: Natiko, Nomadic Sparks
Burbeting & Nomadic Sparks --> responsible for providing reads on: Swamped, Blargonaut
BlackBuzzard & isaacnukem --> responsible for providing reads on: Burbeting, 30yearsofhurt
Natiko & SkyOdin --> responsible for providing reads on: Verelios, LaunchpadMcQ
hey_monkey & 30yearsofhurt --> responsible for providing reads on: SexyFish, StanleyPalmtree
Blargonaut & SexyFish --> responsible for providing reads on: Dr. Worm, hey_monkey​

LaunchpadMcQ replaced Moonkid.
Verelios replaced Sawneeks.
Nomadic Sparks replaced oreomunsta.​

Someone's clearly setting the shitposters up

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Okay... but why is that more likely to be a neutral as opposed to Palmer's idea that it's scum.

I'm not sure who targeted whom but I'd like to hear the reasons people have to offer.

Because:

1) Lifeline's alignment was announced by the moderator.

2) Lifeline claims his role is that he's confirmed when he's given a slice of pizza.

This is anti-scum, if anything, so I don't find it believable that it's a scum role. I think maybe there are even roles different from Lifeline's where certain effects are given to the player if the neutral gives them a slice of pineapple pizza. My best guess is that there are 2-3 roles similar to Lifeline and a neutral who wins when he manages to pass out a slice to all or some of them.

Can you quote me the direct post where you thought of this narrative?

Theory: there are multiple roles of this nature and there is a neutral role passing out pizzas. Neutral's goal is to give a pizza to each or some of these roles.

 

[Lifeline]

Someone's clearly setting the shitposters up

Natiko: coaster, suspect Palmer vote, Natiko's been attacked by almost everyone in this game. Dragonz defended them, so did Sawneeks and monkey kind of.

Nomadic: I think he;s already revealed his role, but then backtracked. Don't want to say anything more, I'll let them decide what they want to do.

 

[hey_monkey]

Because:

1) Lifeline's alignment was announced by the moderator.

2) Lifeline claims his role is that he's confirmed when he's given a slice of pizza.

This is anti-scum, if anything, so I don't find it believable that it's a scum role. I think maybe there are even roles different from Lifeline's where certain effects are given to the player if the neutral gives them a slice of pineapple pizza. My best guess is that there are 2-3 roles similar to Lifeline and a neutral who wins when he manages to pass out a slice to all or some of them.

I see how you're building this. But here are my questions:

1) It looks like Lifeline's confirmation was triggered by something. N1, if this was scum, they wouldn't have known - so how is it not just an attempted night kill that resulted in something else?

2) Is it likely we have multiple innocent child types (assuming LL is claiming honestly, which, who knows) who will flip?

 

[Sophia]

Nothing in highlighted red text is a lie; Lifeline is town.

 

[Burbeting]

An innocent child that is only triggered if scum tries to NK them...

 

[BlackBuzzard]

Catching up on the day.

So you guys pretty much spend the entirety of the last days vote and swamped, man scum is really leading the narrative here, Hell i bet if WMD didn't get killed you would still be on the same topic. Meanwhile where did Worm go(back to scum chat laying low) after we asked him about defending WMD after suspecting her and wanting "the truth" out of her? But ye lets go back to day 1 votes and focus on Swamped nothing else matters(for scum).

Maybe its better if you lynch me so you can finally see how Palmer has been leading you around in circles this entire time.

 

[Lifeline]

Nothing in highlighted red text is a lie; Lifeline is town.

This post isn't in redtext meaning that your comment is a lie, which in turn means that red text is also lie. Which then leads to: lifelife is not town.

Lynch lifeline pls.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I see how you're building this. But here are my questions:

1) It looks like Lifeline's confirmation was triggered by something. N1, if this was scum, they wouldn't have known - so how is it not just an attempted night kill that resulted in something else?

2) Is it likely we have multiple innocent child types (assuming LL is claiming honestly, which, who knows) who will flip?

1) Because the implication is that scum has the ability to kill two people per night, which is less believable to me than a benign neutral role.

2) That I'm not sure about. It's just a working theory.

An innocent child that is only triggered if scum tries to NK them...

We're just theorizing here. I'm just building to the most simple conclusion.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

That said, I wonder what happens if a person who doesn't have an innocent child type role gets a pineapple pizza...

 

[Palmer_v1]

That said, I wonder what happens if a person who doesn't have an innocent child type role gets a pineapple pizza...

They would die, is my assumption.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Also, fluff is fluff, but people who die are poisoned; not given pineapple pizza.

 

[Lifeline]

So Palmer, do you think BB is lying about being vanilla, if so why?

BB, do you think Palmer is lying about being vanilla, if so why?

 

[SkyOdin]

Sophia chose her words carefully I think. Nothing in red text is a lie, but I do believe that there are some bastard elements to this game.

Now, it appears that my initial theory on Lifeline has turned out to be correct: Lifeline was targeted by a NK on Night 1, triggering his ability that both saved him and cleared him as town. I do think that he was the mafia's target, based on my prior reasoning. Lifeline was loud and active near the end of Day 1. That alone is a readonable reason for scum to target him.

Meanwhile, SexyFish has always struck me as a safe Serial Killer target: quiet and not drawing enough attention to draw any protective roles.

We are in a game with a ton of night actions available. I would honestly be surprised if we had only one death per night phase.

 

[Palmer_v1]

Catching up on the day.

So you guys pretty much spend the entirety of the last days vote and swamped, man scum is really leading the narrative here, Hell i bet if WMD didn't get killed you would still be on the same topic. Meanwhile where did Worm go(back to scum chat laying low) after we asked him about defending WMD after suspecting her and wanting "the truth" out of her? But ye lets go back to day 1 votes and focus on Swamped nothing else matters(for scum).

Maybe its better if you lynch me so you can finally see how Palmer has been leading you around in circles this entire time.

How am I leading in circles? I was never on the wamd train and have been pursuing inactives all day. I think you're probably town as well as swamped.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

So, we're thinking pineapple pizza is NK and poison pizza is serial killer? I don't know guys...

 

[Lifeline]

I'm starting to see the light on a Achors vote. The more i read his posts the more they sound like the stuff he did in Arkham as scum.

 

[BlackBuzzard]

How am I leading in circles? I was never on the wamd train and have been pursuing inactives all day. I think you're probably town as well as swamped.

If you think im town why would you want to see me lynched then?

 

[Palmer_v1]

Not that it matters now that he's absolutely confirmed, but here's innocent child info: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Innocent_Child

 

[Natiko]

It may have been covered before but did you know you were causing a tie when you voted me?

I did not. My link to acorn a bit earlier today has the post where I explained I got out of a meeting at work with less than five minutes to day end. At that exact moment is when WAMD claimed and I did that lazy bullshit quickly without checking the vote tally. I actually barely got my vote in because what I checked instead of counting votes was how your name is spelled lol

 

[Lifeline]

Can we get a new read list from you Acohrs, I don't think you've given us anything substantial yet?

 

[SkyOdin]

That said, I wonder what happens if a person who doesn't have an innocent child type role gets a pineapple pizza...

According to the opening flavor, cabot died from poisoned pineapple pizza. Likewise, SexyFish was killed similarly. It is flavor, but pineapple seems to be consistently used as a kill method.

Based on role claims so far, the mafia is likely the faction that likes so-called hawaiian pizza.

 

[Lifeline]

Not that it matters now that he's absolutely confirmed, but here's innocent child info: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Innocent_Child

To to people who NK me again, look at that picture. Is that someone you want to smother to death with a slice of pizza?

 

[Natiko]

Sophia chose her words carefully I think. Nothing in red text is a lie, but I do believe that there are some bastard elements to this game.

Now, it appears that my initial theory on Lifeline has turned out to be correct: Lifeline was targeted by a NK on Night 1, triggering his ability that both saved him and cleared him as town. I do think that he was the mafia's target, based on my prior reasoning. Lifeline was loud and active near the end of Day 1. That alone is a readonable reason for scum to target him.

Meanwhile, SexyFish has always struck me as a safe Serial Killer target: quiet and not drawing enough attention to draw any protective roles.

We are in a game with a ton of night actions available. I would honestly be surprised if we had only one death per night phase.

I need to go back and look but I will say anyone that pushed a theory like this so early when LL was flailing about would make me reconsider if they had additional info.

 

[Palmer_v1]

If you think im town why would you want to see me lynched then?

Before the wamd flip? Because i believed her more than you, and it would give me info on swamped.

Now, I don't particularly want you to be lynched today.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

According to the opening flavor, cabot died from poisoned pineapple pizza. Likewise, SexyFish was killed similarly. It is flavor, but pineapple seems to be consistently used as a kill method.

Based on role claims so far, the mafia is likely the faction that likes so-called hawaiian pizza.

errr see, you're focusing on the pineapple part and I'm focusing on the poisoned part in that cabot flavor text lol

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Ok, I think it's fair to ask Sophia in this case, did cabot die from pineapple or poison? lol

 

[SkyOdin]

For the record, I am against lynching any more people purely on the basis of being part of the vanilla stuff from yesterday. I might consider lynching BB over suspect behavior, but I have bigger targets in mind first.

I still stand by my vote on acohrs.

 

[Lifeline]

In case pineapple feeding is a investigative thing and not a scum thing, meaning there was only 1 kill last night, I would like to know who the escorts were escorting.

 

[hey_monkey]

1) Because the implication is that scum has the ability to kill two people per night, which is less believable to me than a benign neutral role.

2) That I'm not sure about. It's just a working theory.

Okay, I see what you're saying here. You're saying SF was the scum kill and the pizza is neutral. But why would a neutral hand out pineapple pizzas? Unless it does out them, I'm not sure what the point of that would be?

I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just speculating along with you. And I'm wondering if we just got really lucky with LL being targeted (because it happened to reveal) or what. If a pineapple pizza went to someone else, what does happen, as you asked?

Ultimately, I don't think we have enough info until the start of d3 but I think we should wring as many possibilities out as possible so we have more to go on as the game advances. And maybe we dig something out.

 

[Dr. Worm]

whoof, I'm just starting to catch up now after yesterday afternoon

 

[Palmer_v1]

I need to go back and look but I will say anyone that pushed a theory like this so early when LL was flailing about would make me reconsider if they had additional info.

I brought it up with others when burb was asking me some questions earlier. SF never made sense as the scum kill to me. I couldn't explain a missing kill though. Now it makes a lot more sense.

What I don't get is launch's push for this to be a neutral fruit vendor/arson kinda situation.

 

[Dr. Worm]

I thought WAMD had done a better job of explaining herself re: role name and motivations. Burbeting had what I thought looked like an excellent point concerning the motivations that I missed, and tbh I might have jumped ship to WAMD at that point if I was around to see it (BlackBuzzard, I outlined my schedule of posting D1 - I'm EST)

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

In case pineapple feeding is a investigative thing and not a scum thing, meaning there was only 1 kill last night, I would like to know who the escorts were escorting.

doubletake.gif

If there were any reason for there not being a double kill last night, it'd be because of your role. And you're asking escorts to roleclaim!?

Okay, I see what you're saying here. You're saying SF was the scum kill and the pizza is neutral. But why would a neutral hand out pineapple pizzas? Unless it does out them, I'm not sure what the point of that would be?

I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just speculating along with you. And I'm wondering if we just got really lucky with LL being targeted (because it happened to reveal) or what. If a pineapple pizza went to someone else, what does happen, as you asked?

Ultimately, I don't think we have enough info until the start of d3 but I think we should wring as many possibilities out as possible so we have more to go on as the game advances. And maybe we dig something out.

I don't know why, it's all just flavor, but these are two different flavors - pineapple pizza and poison pizza. I'm just confused because cabot's fake death says both.

 

[hey_monkey]

Nomadic: I think he;s already revealed his role, but then backtracked. Don't want to say anything more, I'll let them decide what they want to do.

I'd ask you to explain where the backtracking was in Nomadic's two whole posts but clearly you won't so I'm just gonna quote it and let it sit.

Which, speaking of, we need to see some more action from our replacements who aren't LaunchPad in general.

 

[Palmer_v1]

LL did you do any breadcrumbing?

 

[Natiko]

I brought it up with others when burb was asking me some questions earlier. SF never made sense as the scum kill to me. I couldn't explain a missing kill though. Now it makes a lot more sense.

What I don't get is launch's push for this to be a neutral fruit vendor/arson kinda situation.

Just is hard to judge people that jumped to LL being triggered by being targeted for a kill. It's not the most obvious explanation so depending on how the topic was broached it could indicate someone that expected LL to die.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I brought it up with others when burb was asking me some questions earlier. SF never made sense as the scum kill to me. I couldn't explain a missing kill though. Now it makes a lot more sense.

What I don't get is launch's push for this to be a neutral fruit vendor/arson kinda situation.

Sir. May I direct you to NX Launch Night Mafia.

 

[hey_monkey]

Lifeline voted Moonkid (now LaunchPad) to start and stayed there, declaring Moonkid scummy scum scum. Wasn't in his later lists, though.

This was his original list, which he later explained in the post that keeps getting quoted around:

So here are some reasons LL might be targeted. Feel free to add to it:

Part of his theory was right, but as has been pointed out for other things, that would be kinda obvious. Except it's LL and no one really was really him seriously - but we might have had he been clearly killed.

Could just be that he was targeted for being LL, for being pushy and loud and creating noise. But I'd think scum would want to foster noise.

Without another clear, solid target, why not LL, especially if he was totally wrong? Then we might look and ponder and spend a day or two flipping people he suggested, while scum dances merrily away.

Could just be a chaos-inducing move without any clear motive, just to see what happens.

What I can't figure is why LL strung everyone along.

quoting myself not because I'm lolgenius or anything but because I think we do need to look at LL vs SF as targets.

 

[Palmer_v1]

Sir. May I direct you to NX Launch Night Mafia.

even though I helped Tim make that game, I am blanking on what you mean.

 

[Lifeline]

I'd ask you to explain where the backtracking was in Nomadic's two whole posts but clearly you won't so I'm just gonna quote it and let it sit.

Which, speaking of, we need to see some more action from our replacements who aren't LaunchPad in general.

I think if you paid a bit more attention to what happened in the last couple pages, you'll see what I saw. But again, I'm gonna let Nomadic handle it. Maybe I got the wrong idea anyway.

 

[Dr. Worm]

I'm feeling better about Dr Worm, mostly because our reads are kind of aligning. I'm not as sure about Sky and Blarg, but the other reads seems good.

VOTE: acohrs

goddamn why dyall have to start talking at 2 am.

welp anyway, also just read through all of Dr. Worms post, since he was also a player i had kinda no opinion on.

short story even shorter, i like it, felt like genuine townie play.

okay but your gonna get some sleepy am ramblings here,

damn near everything i saw from him seemed to be completely reasonable and constructive scum-hunting, everything carried the attitude of genuinely trying to figure events and other players out, never really building towards any predetermined conclusions/narratives.
even in the kinda tunneling on BB it all felt genuinely motivated and not really suffering from..well.. tunnel vision.
seriously i dont think a single post so much as made me raise an eyebrow,just solid townie play.

also palmer thinks he scum, so i get a real kick out of thinking the exact opposite.

I'm mildly worried about this (moreso Swamped than Stanley) because BB picked up on it

Oh im so glad you could join in and share your reads that will surely make you look town. So your scum list is 3 people coasting and me. Woah man slow down with the risky choices.

I'm a pretty easy scumread, and I'm not sure if I'm fully comfortable with this?

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

even though I helped Tim make that game, I am blanking on what you mean.

Sorian the cow-licker.

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

God dammit. I'm never riding trains with you guys again

Can we lynch Dragonz so I can have a nice big I Told You So as my will? I'll even put in a especially you: hey_monkey on it.

*ahem*

anyway can I get spec thread access plssss

 

[hey_monkey]

I think if you paid a bit more attention to what happened in the last couple pages, you'll see what I saw. But again, I'm gonna let Nomadic handle it. Maybe I got the wrong idea anyway.

Nomadic said sorry. It was his second post since coming in and could mean all sorts of things, including being the killer. I'd say it's a bit obvious for that but with NS after anime, who knows There was no other post or anything that could be a backtrack unless you count silence as a backtrack.

 

[hey_monkey]

God dammit. I'm never riding trains with you guys again



*ahem*

anyway can I get spec thread access plssss

I bet that spec thread lit af. Godspeed, Dragonz.

 

[Sophia]

God dammit. I'm never riding trains with you guys again



*ahem*

anyway can I get spec thread access plssss

I got ya.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I got ya.

Ok, I think it's fair to ask Sophia in this case, did cabot die from pineapple or poison? lol

Sofia, if it's not revealing too much...

 

[Blargonaut]

brb

 

[Blargonaut]

Sorian the cow-licker.