I'd argue that Wonder Woman is a much higher profile character than those two characters were at the time.
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I'd argue that Wonder Woman is a much higher profile character than those two characters were at the time.
So what number isn't a failure to y'all?
Laieon
Member
- Domestic: 165m
- Foreign: 280m
- Worldwide: 445m
Maybe in the west. I teach in Korea, quite a few of my students have absolutely no clue who she is.
- Foreign: 280m
- Worldwide: 445m
Maybe in the west. I teach in Korea, quite a few of my students have absolutely no clue who she is.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
If you only have the American view, that might be true. However, she isn't big at all outside of that so it's fair to compare.
Rumblebones
Banned
Easy 500m WW.
OP: ~75
DOM: ~250-300
WW: ~550-700
OP: ~75
DOM: ~250-300
WW: ~550-700
Neither were Captain America and Thor at the time either.
I mean, if Wonder Woman does similar numbers than those films, it certainly wouldn't be a failure by any stretch..but I definitely think it'll be viewed as more of a financial disappointment by the studio and the world at large. Especially considering how her character was already deliberately seeded into Batman V Superman as a kind of backdoor pilot for this film.
But they would have known about Thor and Captain America?
Again, I'm not saying Wonder Woman is world renown in all territories, just that people should be more aware of her as a character in comparison to Cap and Thor a few years ago.
NHarmonic.
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clay_ghost
Member
Wonder Woman is well known world wide, more than Cap or Thor or even Iron man before IM1 by a huge margin . I will even say WW is still more well known than Cap and Thor before Avenger.
Only POTC is direct competition. Cars and DM are a different audience entirely. And The Mummy luuuul
MugiwaraCole
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Of course she is. She's in that iconic group of 4 with Spidey, Bats, and Superman. Her name at least evokes an idea or image of her, even if no one really knows anything about her.
I think it depends on word of mouth more than anything.
Violence Jack
Member
OW:$75 million
Domestic: $150
WW: $250
Domestic: $150
WW: $250
Kenzodielocke
Banned
You guys are American? I really, really don't know if she belongs beside Batman, Superman and Spider-Man.
lmao what , she is in D Level of popularity. I am pretty sure people know green goblin ,dr octopus or joker more then she.
autumnleaf
Member
Speaking from a UK perspective Wonder Woman is absolutely one of the most well known characters. Don't underestimate the shows from the 70s like hers and the Incredible Hulk. Her status now is not comparable to Cap and Thor when their first movies launched. I'd say you have the big 3 and then Robin, Hulk and Wonder Woman (and Iron Man now).
As for this movie I'll say
US: 220m
WW : 650
Which I think given how terrible the DCU films have been and they've created no momentum for this would be a good result.
As for this movie I'll say
US: 220m
WW : 650
Which I think given how terrible the DCU films have been and they've created no momentum for this would be a good result.
I'd probably agree with this if the likes of Resident Evil and Underworld hadn't been doing gangbusters for ages.
Although in retrospect, that comes across as overly dismissive. Any successful female-driven action film can only help to slowly strip away Hollywood's aversion to committing to female-lead vehicles in similar genres, which have been so desperately lacking, especially in relation to superhero movies. So if this does well, hopefully it'll prove to be a positive influence on the industry, in addition to Captain Marvel in a couple of years down the line.
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
Lol, the same posters do that in every WW thread no matter how many of us foreigners try to bring them back to reality.
Wonder Woman is popular wherever the JL cartoon aired. That meaning, almost worldwide.
Underworld is a flop franchise and Resident Evil hasn't cracked 500M last time I checked.
entremet
Member
Ok. Second week.
I'd love to proven wrong. I'm also watching it and a fan of the character.
clay_ghost
Member
Singaporen here , Wonder Woman is well known in East Asia not just SEA. The next most popular SH should be Xmen.
I agree with Joker but no body know the other two Villain. Why are you denying that DC trinity and Spider man are freaking well known outside of US?
Does not compute.
EDIT: Actually, you know what, you weren't kidding! Just took a look at Underworld's earnings and they're actually not all that impressive for a long running franchise.
Glass Rebel
Member
These discussions about popularity are so pointless in a world where Marvel made successful movies out of Ant-Man, Doctor Strange and the frickin Guardians of the Galaxy.
Budget $212 million
Box office $539,340,405 WW
Those are "barely breaking even" numbers.
MugiwaraCole
Member
Didn't say popularity wise. Just her name. You say Wonder Woman, even to kids and adults that don't give a shit about her or really know much of anything about her outside maybe "gold lasso", and they'll know who she is.
I really hate the revisionism going on around this film that she isn't an icon. She is.
When PoTC flops critically and WW doesn't, paired with franchise fatigue and a not so stellar Jonny Depp public image, I think WW might not be hurt as much as one would think by that movie.
Besides, it releases 1 week after, just enough time for lukewarm WoM for PoTC to leave it free highway.
Laieon
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Probably not, but to be fair a decent amount of them have never lived in a world without the MCU.
She is in the unique position of being an icon AND being an inexistent franchise because DC never cared to make a proper WW movie or cartoon or tv series for 40 years
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
Nobody is saying that the movie can't be successful because of her perceived lack of popularity in some places. It's just that as of right now she's certainly not Batman / Superman / Spider-Man tier in a lot of countries. It has no bearing on the movie's success but it's just a ridiculous claim.
Comic book character relevance to a mass audience is relatively unimportant to a film's performance.
The biggest superhero character in the world is the MARVEL studios logo.
Marvel is the brand that sells. It doesn't matter that GOTG or Ant-Man are unknown - they have a franchise in the MARVEL studio films that's bigger than anything in the world of cinema right now.
Wonder Woman may be a bigger comic book character historically than Doctor Strange, but she, and the DC logo, is not bigger than Marvel films, and that's what sells Doctor Strange. She's a newbie to the movie market.
If the movie makes good money then it's a success. You can't say WW is 'supposed' to be this big, or bigger than that character. Marvel is a big movie brand, bigger than any other superhero brand.
The biggest superhero character in the world is the MARVEL studios logo.
Marvel is the brand that sells. It doesn't matter that GOTG or Ant-Man are unknown - they have a franchise in the MARVEL studio films that's bigger than anything in the world of cinema right now.
Wonder Woman may be a bigger comic book character historically than Doctor Strange, but she, and the DC logo, is not bigger than Marvel films, and that's what sells Doctor Strange. She's a newbie to the movie market.
If the movie makes good money then it's a success. You can't say WW is 'supposed' to be this big, or bigger than that character. Marvel is a big movie brand, bigger than any other superhero brand.
It's a Pirates of the Caribbean movie released in June. 4 was a horrible movie and it still managed to break 1b.
It's absolutely going to hurt WW a lot whatever the critics say. But going against Spiderman would be even more of a suicide so I guess this was the right choice.
Good first reply. I think this is about where it will slot, numbers-wise.
Shame, too...particularly if it's legitimately as good as the early word suggests.
Doing my part...I'll be taking my daughters to an early screening.
Glass Rebel
Member
I mean, Superman ain't Batman/Spider-Man tier either. And depending on what you look at, nothing is Spider-Man tier.
Your opening weekend is way too low. In fact, everything here is way too low. You are basically predicting this does worse than Ghostbusters.
What do you base this on?
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
Well yeah, I can agree with that.
He's probably still #1 in terms of name recognition but not in actual popularity.
clay_ghost
Member
Thanks for reminding how old i am.
I take it back , i have no idea what are popular with kids nowadays. Do they still like to play M rated games and violent animations like beyblade to show that they are edgy and cool ?
MugiwaraCole
Member
This is all I was debating. WW's name recognition is up there, regardless how you feel about her.
If you asked a hundred people at random on a German street you'd be lucky to find five that know about her.
No one is doubting that she is famous in the US. People are arguing about her supposed global icon status. How much evidence is there to back that up?
autumnleaf
Member
Did they air the Wonder Woman TV show in Germany? Or the Justice League cartoon? Or Batman v Superman?
clay_ghost
Member
She was quite popular within my region when i was growing up or even just 10 years ago. Not sure if she is popular with the kids now .
I live far from the US and WW is still an icon. People might not know much about her, but she's recognizable for sure.
It depends on how much impact the 70's show and the JL cartoon had. In most countries there were only 2 TV channels in the 70's and there's a high chance the series got syndicated about everywhere. Then the DCTV was also a global hit and JL was THE show of its time so that's another generational bracket covered. Then there are kids which might be the hardest to sell to, but again, there are things like Injustice and Super Hero Girls where she's well featured.
People predicting under 400M don't know what they're doing,
It depends on how much impact the 70's show and the JL cartoon had. In most countries there were only 2 TV channels in the 70's and there's a high chance the series got syndicated about everywhere. Then the DCTV was also a global hit and JL was THE show of its time so that's another generational bracket covered. Then there are kids which might be the hardest to sell to, but again, there are things like Injustice and Super Hero Girls where she's well featured.
People predicting under 400M don't know what they're doing,
VeryGooster
Banned
Opening weekend: ~$94m
Domestic: ~$300m
Foreign: ~$475m
POTC outside the US makes it harder (for me) to gauge otherwise I think it'll be another "It did well but not what WB wanted/expected" situation. If critical reception/WOM is positive enough to give it legs I could see it do more in addition to just on her name alone.
Domestic: ~$300m
Foreign: ~$475m
POTC outside the US makes it harder (for me) to gauge otherwise I think it'll be another "It did well but not what WB wanted/expected" situation. If critical reception/WOM is positive enough to give it legs I could see it do more in addition to just on her name alone.
ClivePwned
Member
I reckon at least 550 WW (pun intended) and most in the US. I'm gonna say 650. Why?
A lot of people (okay, older people) do remember that show the same way they still remember Adam West Batman.
also, despite BvS and SS, there's still a lot of goodwill towards Wonder Woman and a desire to see a good female-starring superhero film. Especially if its not trash.
A lot of people (okay, older people) do remember that show the same way they still remember Adam West Batman.
also, despite BvS and SS, there's still a lot of goodwill towards Wonder Woman and a desire to see a good female-starring superhero film. Especially if its not trash.