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US PoliGAF 2012 | The Romney VeepStakes: Waiting for Chris Christie to Sing…

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The Short List
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Chris Christie, current governor of New Jersey.
Mitch Daniels, current governor of Indiana; Peyton Manning look-alike.
Tim Pawlenty, former governor of Minnesota; hockey fight enthusiast.

The Purportedly Uninterested
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Marco Rubio, junior senator from Florida; has said he would not accept Vice Presidential role.

The Marginal
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Jon Huntsman, Jr., former governor of Utah; winning the lame dad primary.
Bobby Jindal, current governor of Louisiana; Kenneth Parcel impersonator.
Newt Gingrich, former Speaker of the House of Representatives; angry Pillsbury doughboy.
Jeb Bush, former governor of Florida. America needs more Bush.

The Game Change
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Susana Martinez, current governor of New Mexico.

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Who will Mitt Romney attempt to placate with his vice presidential selection? Might the Republican party risk elevating another unknown to stardom?

Do we still have to pretend Mitt Romney isn't going to get the nomination?

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Kosmo

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Pawlenty seems like the choice - he dropped out into oblivion, would never challenge Romney face to face, and seems safe.
 
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AlteredBeast

Fork 'em, Sparky!
Does Pawlenty actually add anything to Romney that he lacks otherwise? In other words, would Pawlenty give Romney any states that he might otherwise lose? Not a draw for evangelicals, afaik, not seen as a deficit hawk for fiscal conservatives, and not really the most charismatic person, either. Doesn't seem like it would be a dynamic ticket at all.

Don't know much about that Susana Martinez
 
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AlteredBeast said:
Does Pawlenty actually add anything to Romney that he lacks otherwise? In other words, would Pawlenty give Romney any states that he might otherwise lose? Not a draw for evangelicals, afaik, not seen as a deficit hawk for fiscal conservatives, and not really the most charismatic person, either. Doesn't seem like it would be a dynamic ticket at all.

Don't know much about that Susana Martinez
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There's not much to know about her. I just think if Romney decides to repeat the McCain maneuver and pick an obscure Republican governor likely to bolster his support with a couple of groups (women, Hispanics), she's an obscure possibility.
 
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Jackson50

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As I noted in the previous thread, Pawlenty and Daniels constitute the safest visible options. Therefore, I would not be surprised if Romney chose either of them. Moreover, I am confident Romney will not choose a running mate from the current crop of candidates. They seem to be trendy options for the media and sophomoric analysts. But there's scant incentive to choose any of them.

Also, no. No need to deny Romney's ineluctable victory.
 
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AbortedWalrusFetus

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NihonTiger90 said:
And he'll get rid of this government telling us what to eat bullcrap the socialist Obamas are trying to push on us. I mean, look at him! He's clearly a fan of the invisible hand of the Boston Market.
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Well, I am sure he agrees that pizza is indeed a vegetable.

In all seriousness though, he has been pretty good for NJ in my opinion.
 
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Jackson50

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AlteredBeast said:
Does Pawlenty actually add anything to Romney that he lacks otherwise? In other words, would Pawlenty give Romney any states that he might otherwise lose? Not a draw for evangelicals, afaik, not seen as a deficit hawk for fiscal conservatives, and not really the most charismatic person, either. Doesn't seem like it would be a dynamic ticket at all.

Don't know much about that Susana Martinez
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No. But the conventional premise of a running mate actually producing those benefits is largely erroneous. VP nominees typically have marginal influence on the election. Moreover, in the instances they influence the election, it is primarily negative. That is, the electorate rarely rewards a nominee for a quality selection, but it is likely to punish a nominee for a poor selection. Therefore, it behooves Romney to select a competent running mate that mostly adheres to the party's orthodoxy. Pawlenty may not generate much excitement, but he will neither antagonize the base nor prove a bumbling fool like Palin.
 
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Mike M

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I think after the disaster that was the gambit of picking Palin for VP in '08, I wholeheartedly agree that Romney will gravitate to the safest, most white bread selection possible. Though he may surprise me.

Is Jindal really under any consideration whatsoever? I know he was being built up as the GOP's Obama, but then came that legendarily awful SOTU response ("LOL, why does Alaska need volcano monitoring?" like... What, a month before a volcanic eruption?), and he just vanished from the national stage. I can't see him making a comeback when the entirety of his national exposure was that terribad.
 
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cartoon_soldier

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I disagree on the safe and sound choice.

The way things are going, Romney's team have to know they have a conservative excitement problem with his candidacy (just like McCain did).

Chris Christie is top of their list. Conservatives after all love a guy who:
1. Can shout you down instead of answering your question if it is hostile
2. Well, can shout you down instead of answering your question again
3. Media loves him for that
 
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el retorno

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Invisible_Insane

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Mike M said:
I think after the disaster that was the gambit of picking Palin for VP in '08, I wholeheartedly agree that Romney will gravitate to the safest, most white bread selection possible. Though he may surprise me.

Is Jindal really under any consideration whatsoever? I know he was being built up as the GOP's Obama, but then came that legendarily awful SOTU response ("LOL, why does Alaska need volcano monitoring?" like... What, a month before a volcanic eruption?), and he just vanished from the national stage. I can't see him making a comeback when the entirety of his national exposure was that terribad.
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You're forgetting about the sand berm fiasco.

I was just throwing some stuff out there.
 
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RDreamer

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Learn2read said:
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/01/09/high_fives_at_dnc_headquarters.html

Anyone comment on this? YT blocked at work, anyone give full context?
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I laughed pretty hard at this. I know it's taken out of context and you really shouldn't blame him for it since it seems like his overall sentiment makes sense. That's just not the choice of words I'd ever use. I just wonder what speech writer or PR person told him it was ok to keep it like that.

I'd like to know more of the context and what his audience was for it, too.


el retorno de los sapos said:
He doesn´t seem to be talking about employees. At least from the clip but he says "he likes being able to fire people that don´t give him good services." Like a guy doing a bad job on your yard you can find someone else.

Still taken out of context it can be used with the Bain stuff.
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Yeah, the overall sentiment makes sense to me, and I'd probably agree with it, overall. But really, why would you ever word things like that. That's just horrible speech writing unless his entire audience was a bunch of billionaires or something. The word "fire" has a very negative connotation, obviously, to almost everyone. And then saying you like to do it is just not how you word things, even if you further clarify it afterwards. Especially funny because the GOP is usually masterful at word choice for these types of things.
 
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Sealda

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Whats the reason behind the title.


"The short list"

Any american/english native care to elaborate? feels not that clear.
 
ReBurn

ReBurn

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Heh. Disparaging personal jabs at candidates in the OP. At least this thread picks up where the other one leaves off. There's a lot to be said for consistency, I guess.
 
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YoungHav

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I want Chris Christie to be it. Fat people don't get the respect we deserve and him as VP will be a long time coming. When was the last time we had one in the white house, Teddy Roosevelt?
 
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Invisible_Insane

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Sealda said:
Whats the reason behind the title.


"The short list"

Any american/english native care to elaborate? feels not that clear.
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"The short list" refers to the people widely considered to be likely and strong candidates.

It's the "Romney VeepStakes" because he's a very strong favorite to take the nomination.

ToxicAdam said:
Kind of sad that Super Tuesday won't mean anything this year. it's always one of my favorite nights in politics.
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Maybe watch basketball?
 
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Mike M

Nick N
Sealda said:
Whats the reason behind the title.


"The short list"

Any american/english native care to elaborate? feels not that clear.
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When you have a list of options to choose from, your "short list" is the one you make your final selection from after eliminating other options from consideration.
 
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teruterubozu

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No way Christie will accept VP. He's biding his time and a VP stint would be a disaster for his career at this junction. He'll get a lot more milage sticking with New Jersey.
 
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AlteredBeast

Fork 'em, Sparky!
RDreamer said:
I laughed pretty hard at this. I know it's taken out of context and you really shouldn't blame him for it since it seems like his overall sentiment makes sense. That's just not the choice of words I'd ever use. I just wonder what speech writer or PR person told him it was ok to keep it like that.

I'd like to know more of the context and what his audience was for it, too.




Yeah, the overall sentiment makes sense to me, and I'd probably agree with it, overall. But really, why would you ever word things like that. That's just horrible speech writing unless his entire audience was a bunch of billionaires or something. The word "fire" has a very negative connotation, obviously, to almost everyone. And then saying you like to do it is just not how you word things, even if you further clarify it afterwards. Especially funny because the GOP is usually masterful at word choice for these types of things.
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Sounds like more to me he was talking about right-to-work vs union labor. Rewarding good work and being able to punish poor quality work. But this is going to get crazy out of context
 
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MC Safety

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YoungHav said:
I want Chris Christie to be it. Fat people don't get the respect we deserve and him as VP will be a long time coming. When was the last time we had one in the white house, Teddy Roosevelt?
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William Howard Taft.

And Teddy Roosevelt was just a big guy. By all accounts, he was extremely athletic.

Dude Abides said:
I think Romney is going to have to pick a Jesus enthusiast. Preferably a Southern one. No Christie.
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New Jersey has 14 electoral votes, if memory serves. That's a pretty strong incentive to choose Christie.
 
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markatisu

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Rubio would be the best choice imho, but Romney seems the type to want someone who will be a yes man and not challenge him in any way (ala Dan Q)
 
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smurfx

get some go again
romney is going to need some hardcore evangelical to get christians to vote for him. i'm guessing he will go hard after santorum if he beats him.
 
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RDreamer

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AlteredBeast said:
Sounds like more to me he was talking about right-to-work vs union labor. Rewarding good work and being able to punish poor quality work. But this is going to get crazy out of context
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I realize it's crazy out of context, but still I'd personally steer clear of using that phrasing. As I said, I get what he's saying overall, and it makes sense. It's just awful word choice. As someone in the comments section on that link says, it's kind of like saying "I like being able to get a divorce." I mean sure it makes sense. The ability is something most of us like, but you don't say it like that, because that has other connotations.

Again, I get that it's crazy out of context. I'm not harping on him or calling him a monster or anything. It's just intellectually I'm curious about the context and as to why he'd use that word choice. Marketing and PR has always been a fascination for me, so something like this is something I'm interested in.
 
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Jackson50

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cartoon_soldier said:
I disagree on the safe and sound choice.

The way things are going, Romney's team have to know they have a conservative excitement problem with his candidacy (just like McCain did).

Chris Christie is top of their list. Conservatives after all love a guy who:
1. Can shout you down instead of answering your question if it is hostile
2. Well, can shout you down instead of answering your question again
3. Media loves him for that
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I presume Romney's team rightly expects Obama's vulnerability to motivate conservatives/evangelicals; that is an advantage McCain lacked. If that strategy fails, then Romney is doomed irrespective of his running mate.
 
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AbortedWalrusFetus

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cartoon_soldier said:
I disagree on the safe and sound choice.

The way things are going, Romney's team have to know they have a conservative excitement problem with his candidacy (just like McCain did).

Chris Christie is top of their list. Conservatives after all love a guy who:
1. Can shout you down instead of answering your question if it is hostile
2. Well, can shout you down instead of answering your question again
3. Media loves him for that
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Actually, Chris Christie is great at answering hostile questions, and he's snarky about it. He does get people to shut up, but he does it by giving great responses, rather than just shouting and ignoring the question. He's a spin master.
 
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NihonTiger90

Member
So, the question really should be: who can they pick for VP that will get Mitt the Tea Party and Evangelical vote, but who won't be toxic enough like Palin was to McCain?
 
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Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
I don't know anything about Susana Martinez, but she has the hair of a mean bitch. I am going to look her up in case I am wrong.

Edit: Dry checklist of Republican "freedom" hypocrisy.

According to her 2010 gubernatorial campaign website, Martinez is pro-life and is opposed to elective abortion. She supports parental notification laws for minors under 13-years-old who seek an abortion. She is also opposed to same-sex marriage. Martínez supports a balanced budget and lower government spending. She favors putting taxpayer money into a rainy day fund, and refunding taxpayers to attempt to stimulate growth.

Martínez has promised to revamp the state's education plan by investing in private education.[19] She will seek to repeal state laws that provide illegal immigrants access to driver’s licenses as well as deny children of illegal immigrants access to higher education through the New Mexico Lottery Scholarship.[20] Martinez opposes New Mexico's medical marijuana program, but has indicated that repealing New Mexico's existing law is not a priority.[21]

After taking office, she has pushed for an increase in private investment to complete the US$212 million state-funded[22] Spaceport America project. In order to drive the new effort, Gov. Martinez appointed an entirely new board of directors to oversee the Spaceport Authority.[23]
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gcubed

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MC Safety said:
William Howard Taft.

And Teddy Roosevelt was just a big guy. By all accounts, he was extremely athletic.



New Jersey has 14 electoral votes, if memory serves. That's a pretty strong incentive to choose Christie.
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to think that Chris Christie would deliver NJ for a GOP candidate is just silly
 
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Salvor.Hardin

Banned
Chris Christie would have been a great contender. I don't agree with all of his stances, and he has said some suspect stuff, but he'd be a worthy and legitimate opponent to Obama.

I think he would have a pretty decent shot for the presidency in 2016.

teruterubozu said:
No way Christie will accept VP. He's biding his time and a VP stint would be a disaster for his career at this junction. He'll get a lot more milage sticking with New Jersey.
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This. He's in it for the top job and he had quite a bit of pressure to run for it this time, but he wisely declined. He's not going to accept VP, especially when it comes to the current slew of nominees.
 
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