EzekelRAGE
Member
It's weird, if he did copy and paste it, why leave out the part about only winning when all non town players are eliminated?
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Ace Attorney [Mafia] |OT| Turnabout Scum
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It's weird, if he did copy and paste it, why leave out the part about only winning when all non town players are eliminated?
Xamtheking
Member
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There is the possibility of an overnight turbo if we aren't careful.
In the morning will re-assess
There is the possibility of an overnight turbo if we aren't careful.
In the morning will re-assess
Xamtheking
Member
Like I would edit posts
Psshhh
Follow the rules
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Psshhh
Follow the rules
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TheGoddamn
Member
I don't think we're allowed to post our role PMs verbatim.
StarSketch
Banned
-sighs and facepalms-
Xamtheking
Member
That's like the entire game wrapped up in an action
I apologize for stepping in and doing this but the disregard for the rules has put me into a spot where I have no real other option.
MODKILL: TheWorthyEdge
Day 2 has ended
Do not post in this thread until after my next post (and even then it will be night phase so go to bed anyway).
MODKILL: TheWorthyEdge
Day 2 has ended
Do not post in this thread until after my next post (and even then it will be night phase so go to bed anyway).
As it had been the day before, Apollo stood to one side of the court room. His opponent was Manfred Von Karma. After a solid flurry of objections, Von Karma had no further rebuttals. With a look of shock on his face, everything just stopped. A look of disbelief crossed his eyes and everyone gathered knew the truth. They had found one of the killers. As the truth of the situation set in Von Karma entered a wild furry of frustration. Once, twice, three times, he continued beating his head against the wall, his perfect record shattered and destroyed.
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As his head lurched back for another strike, his form shimmered for just a moment and then he disappeared from sight. He was gone, one less killer stalking the courthouse.
TheWorthyEdge has been removed from the game.
Again, I apologize for basically cutting the day short but the presentation of a direct quoted role PM couldn't be tolerated in this situation as it was likely to color the rest of the day based on unsportsmanlike play and possibly have ramifications through the rest of the game unless cut short now.
The modkill will retroactively go back to post 1246 and the final vote count will match that. As the day phase ended early, I will be extending the night phase in an attempt to keep the game on the same schedule.
Night 2 ends in:
Effective immediately, SalvaPot will be replacing Drago.
He has asked to drop out due to this being a bigger time commitment than he had expected and stressing to keep on top of the thread was getting to him. He asked that I apologize on his behalf.
I have also sent a prod to Hipster Cthulhu, if I don't hear anything by Saturday then I will be replacing him as well. New replacement should be in by the time of day 3 start if they end up being needed.
He has asked to drop out due to this being a bigger time commitment than he had expected and stressing to keep on top of the thread was getting to him. He asked that I apologize on his behalf.
I have also sent a prod to Hipster Cthulhu, if I don't hear anything by Saturday then I will be replacing him as well. New replacement should be in by the time of day 3 start if they end up being needed.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
The only reason why I copied it was because it said I could copy it in my Role PM...
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YesNOnoNOYes
Member
I think it stipulated more clearly than that (you left out a few words at the end, worthychan):
bolded parts means it's free for your use and discussion in your faction chat, I believe.
but if you have further issues with this, please PM Sorian or any of the Overseers directly.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
Nope. My PM does not say that.
Anyway, its all good. No point in fighting it now. Hope everyone else has fun!
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
Oh, I only go by the faction chat opening posts since I have no access to the PMs sent out.
Thank you for playing, worthy!!!
Hope to see THE WORTHY EDGE again in the future!
I need a custom tag. One day.
EzekelRAGE
Member
First things first, I took TG's vote this past night phase. Was gonna take Drago's, but then he got a replacement. Chose TG because he was gonna go for me if he didn't vote for TWE, since he believes I'm neutral.
TWE Flip - Confirms that the other killer is neutral most likely. Could have town vig but i dont think that it's likely. The mafia also must kill the neutral. So that means the neutral killer would have to ride a very thin line of not looking like a town PR to mafia and not looking like scum to town. Which to me, means the low active guys or the guys that only chime in once in a while when prodded through votes or being specifically called, could be the neutral killer. Neutral Killer most likely Shelle De Killer?
Went thru the thread after the TWE flip looking for any possible clues. I think BL was targeted by Mafia and the neutral killer lucked up and killed RNH. I think the reason BL may have been targeted is because he was pressuring TWE on calling out CF over their vote on Zubz.
This is TWE's response to BL's questioning:
In hindsight, he focused mainly on RNH being killed by the neutral, when it couldve been him or BL. Most likely because he knew he had a hand in choosing BL to be killed. We shouldve read thru that one better. Squidy mentioned it, but probably thought it wasn't really anything.
Xam found Redfalco, Drago, and Starskectch suspicious and TWE questioned that.
TWE was one of 4 ppl (Drago,CB,Roy)against the Scrafty voting ultimatum.
Of course, TWE was down to go with CB's nameclaim idea
So were Xam (Claimed cop), CB (His plan from the start), CF(backed off of it after thinking it over or something, so did TWE though), and Matt Attack to an extent.
This post seems to be what started TWE's downfall:
Zubz chimed in later and also said the vote/prod on Hipster was weird and even tried to make it look bad on Crimson for going long with the prod.
Zubz tries to defend TWE a little
Zubz read of TWE
MA, Zubz, and TG's votes for TWE came pretty much after TWE looked very scummy in most ppl's eyes.
====================== Question for TG
After my reveal you believe I was town and you even used it as a reason to vote CB.
What changed your mind from that post believing I was town to being a neutral worthy of being lynched? Was it just what squidy said?
=============================== About Blackmail cards
Could this be a way for mafia to hunt for the NK? From what I read in the thread, De Killer leaves those so no one else gets blamed for her assassinations. So each time someone comes out and says they got a card in the game, it lets the mafia know who isn't the neutral killer?
TLDR - Mafia killed BL, Neutral Killer took out RNH. Probably want to look into HipsterCthulu(flatearthpandas)/Zubz today since TWE questioned Crimson's vote on Zubsz Day1 and questioned Squidy's vote on Hipster day 2. Both votes starting off as random prods. Blackmail cards may be a way for mafia to hunt for neutral killer. Drago may also need looking at, TWE and him crossed on two occasions.
I think MA TG may be good candidates for the neutral Killer, since they really only comment when prodded or questioned.
TWE Flip - Confirms that the other killer is neutral most likely. Could have town vig but i dont think that it's likely. The mafia also must kill the neutral. So that means the neutral killer would have to ride a very thin line of not looking like a town PR to mafia and not looking like scum to town. Which to me, means the low active guys or the guys that only chime in once in a while when prodded through votes or being specifically called, could be the neutral killer. Neutral Killer most likely Shelle De Killer?
Went thru the thread after the TWE flip looking for any possible clues. I think BL was targeted by Mafia and the neutral killer lucked up and killed RNH. I think the reason BL may have been targeted is because he was pressuring TWE on calling out CF over their vote on Zubz.
Screenshoted BL's post, I think it may be worth looking into. You can find the post here.
This is TWE's response to BL's questioning:
Also when TWE was spinning his tale, trying to justify a vote for me he said this:
In hindsight, he focused mainly on RNH being killed by the neutral, when it couldve been him or BL. Most likely because he knew he had a hand in choosing BL to be killed. We shouldve read thru that one better. Squidy mentioned it, but probably thought it wasn't really anything.
Xam found Redfalco, Drago, and Starskectch suspicious and TWE questioned that.
Specifically, he questioned why xam found red and drag suspicious and didn't mention Starskectch. That could be read a number of ways.
TWE was one of 4 ppl (Drago,CB,Roy)against the Scrafty voting ultimatum.
Of course, TWE was down to go with CB's nameclaim idea
So were Xam (Claimed cop), CB (His plan from the start), CF(backed off of it after thinking it over or something, so did TWE though), and Matt Attack to an extent.
This post seems to be what started TWE's downfall:
Zubz chimed in later and also said the vote/prod on Hipster was weird and even tried to make it look bad on Crimson for going long with the prod.
Zubz tries to defend TWE a little
Zubz read of TWE
MA, Zubz, and TG's votes for TWE came pretty much after TWE looked very scummy in most ppl's eyes.
====================== Question for TG
After my reveal you believe I was town and you even used it as a reason to vote CB.
What changed your mind from that post believing I was town to being a neutral worthy of being lynched? Was it just what squidy said?
=============================== About Blackmail cards
Could this be a way for mafia to hunt for the NK? From what I read in the thread, De Killer leaves those so no one else gets blamed for her assassinations. So each time someone comes out and says they got a card in the game, it lets the mafia know who isn't the neutral killer?
TLDR - Mafia killed BL, Neutral Killer took out RNH. Probably want to look into HipsterCthulu(flatearthpandas)/Zubz today since TWE questioned Crimson's vote on Zubsz Day1 and questioned Squidy's vote on Hipster day 2. Both votes starting off as random prods. Blackmail cards may be a way for mafia to hunt for neutral killer. Drago may also need looking at, TWE and him crossed on two occasions.
I think MA TG may be good candidates for the neutral Killer, since they really only comment when prodded or questioned.
Xamtheking
Member
Thanks Sorian, I totally didn't want to sleep or anything tonight.
On topic, holy shit we are bleeding out.
On topic, holy shit we are bleeding out.
StarSketch
Banned
Quick thoughts:
- Ok, two kills rules out vig being responsible for N2 Kills (sort of....?)
- Why are Xam and Scrafty still alive (Double protectors???)
- We HAD a vig.
StarSketch
Banned
Speaking of Xam: Who'd you check last night?
Xamtheking
Member
I don't think Scum targeted either Scrafty or me last night, on the chance we were going to be protected, they probably decided to go for a safer target instead.
it's possible, tell us your check
EzekelRAGE
Member
And that's why EzekelRAGE, you ALWAYS read the new flips before posting pre-made posts
I am still right in my theories about a neutral killer. Bowlie couldnt have killed last night phase and this one.
Also, TWE's role pm specifically states that no other killing abilities. So what was wrong with my pre made post other than there being a vig?
I don't think Bowlie used his power yet.
yeah so we assume that 1 night kill each night phase was by the mafia, and that gives us at most one night kill from town vigi, and at least one unaccounted kill.
Xamtheking
Member
Redfalco
And on that note
VOTE: StarSketch
TWE didn't ask me why I had you on my scum list, but he did ask about Drago/SalvaPot (likely town) and RedFalco, who showed up green as a button.
RAGE is bae.
I agree we probably have a neutral killer. But I doubt bowlie didn't use his powers yet. Even if that would have been the smarter play, most vigs simply can't resist the temptation .
I do wonder how the neutral killer works though. Simply being able to kill every night would give this game 2.5 deaths per night, which is insanely high for a 21 player game.
CrimsonFist
Member
Wonder if Ri'Orius could have been the vig kill. Nothing major, but there were a couple of interactions with TWE that were giving me a slight scum read on him. Would make the most sense for a vig to target out of all the night deaths so far at least.
CrimsonFist
Member
A doctor should have been on you and nobody else. Aside from which, you and Scrafty aren't the only outed power roles, so that none of them died seems odd.
Likely. If I was a non-consecutive vig, I wouldn't shoot night 1 since that would basically be a gamble, and I couldn't shoot night 2 when you have more to work with.
CornBurrito
Member
People need to look at TheWorthyEdge's death pm.
Scum wins when they are 50% of the remaining players and all the killing roles are gone. I think that definitely means we have a killing neutral.
As for why the fuck Bowlie/Ri'orious were targeted?
Easy. One was targeted by a neutral who is choosing to go after low priority scum targets.
The other was killed because Xam was saved by a switcher. No I won't elaborate on that. I'm 60% sure though. I reason scum already knows whether Xam was saved by a bodyguard or a switcher. So I'm telling everyone it is likely a switcher so that town PR can keep that in mind.
Scum wins when they are 50% of the remaining players and all the killing roles are gone. I think that definitely means we have a killing neutral.
As for why the fuck Bowlie/Ri'orious were targeted?
Easy. One was targeted by a neutral who is choosing to go after low priority scum targets.
The other was killed because Xam was saved by a switcher. No I won't elaborate on that. I'm 60% sure though. I reason scum already knows whether Xam was saved by a bodyguard or a switcher. So I'm telling everyone it is likely a switcher so that town PR can keep that in mind.
TheGoddamn
Member
Six AM on a Sunday here, and I'm on mobile, but TWE's being modkilled and flip prove that scum have flavor-specific (and quite good) cover roles.
Shame he was only a vanilla, though; his flip didn't reveal much about scum PRs, although again we cannot rely on role names to determine powers, given that Miles Edgeworth and Manfred are both vanilla.
And now that Trucy is also vanilla, we really can't rely on the flavor for anything. RIP Ri'Orius and Bowlie. Assuming that one of them is the result of a scum kill, they seem equally viable-- they were both null/inactive reads for me.
Zeke, yeah, and I was thinking of how your role would work in the next days (as well as CB's lylo posts about you, ironically enough), and your role is very volatile.
That said, considering that we had a vigilante, I'm going back to thinking that you are town. Vigilante seems more powerful (although balanced a bit by the non-consecutiveness), and if that was town...
I wonder if Franziska was able to whip last night.
Shame he was only a vanilla, though; his flip didn't reveal much about scum PRs, although again we cannot rely on role names to determine powers, given that Miles Edgeworth and Manfred are both vanilla.
And now that Trucy is also vanilla, we really can't rely on the flavor for anything. RIP Ri'Orius and Bowlie. Assuming that one of them is the result of a scum kill, they seem equally viable-- they were both null/inactive reads for me.
Zeke, yeah, and I was thinking of how your role would work in the next days (as well as CB's lylo posts about you, ironically enough), and your role is very volatile.
That said, considering that we had a vigilante, I'm going back to thinking that you are town. Vigilante seems more powerful (although balanced a bit by the non-consecutiveness), and if that was town...
I wonder if Franziska was able to whip last night.
Xamtheking
Member
Elaborate, please.
Bowlie made something amazing during the night phase so I am posting it here as his will. Big round of applause. Seriously lol
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Matt Attack
Member
Yo, I'm still writing up my post but I just wanna say that I'm losing my mind right now. This fits so well.
Xamtheking
Member
If there is a god, he/she will put this in the Season 5 review thread.
CornBurrito
Member
Actually fine.
I give items to people. Powerful items.
Scrafty hinted at this yesterday when she said she was sure I was town. Remember how she said she received an item?
I can give out more than just one. You claimed cop. I believe you. I felt safe giving you an item.
Except you didn't get one. I know because I get confirmation if the item delivery fails for any reason, but I don't get told why it failed.
So how would it have failed to get to you?
1) You were protected by some universal blocker.
2) You were switched, and my item failed to deliver because it went to whoever died in your place
10/10
Anyway, I typed something regarding neutrals, but the Google spreadsheet app decided to be a dick and not show text blocks
Xamtheking
Member
I see, thanks for the elaboration. It would make some sense, as I don't think Riorius was super popular, so a Town-aligned switcher might have used him as a stabbing bag.
CornBurrito
Member
I should note I literally have to give items out each night. And I cant gift multiple items to a single person.
The downside is that scum or neutral getting items from me wouldn't be very good for town. But I feel confident I'll choose correctly.
The downside is that scum or neutral getting items from me wouldn't be very good for town. But I feel confident I'll choose correctly.
CrimsonFist
Member
Would it have failed if the person died though? I guess it would depend on how Sorian handles things, but I'd have thought that they'd still receive it before they die.
CornBurrito
Member
Oh fuck... you're right about that. I honestly don't know.
It depends on role priority.
EzekelRAGE
Member
Is it possible for someone to use their item and make room for another one, or can you only give an item to someone once during the whole game?