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Star Citizen announces a new ship in a private party at an entry price of 274 dollars

Bitmap Frogs

Mr. Community
So I looked around about the private, exclusive club that you need to belong to even be allowed to pay to go to these events...

Welcome to your rundown of the Chairman Club Levels.
These are awarded to Concierge level members who have pledged
High Admiral, 1000$ Grand Admiral 2500$ Space Marshal 5000$ Wing Commander 10K$ Legatus Navium 25k$
Let's not beat around the bush.
I suppose the only people who will be upset about this sort of thing, are the people who haven't pledged the amount of money needed to unlock the perks.
Please feel free to post your opinion in the comments below.
High Admiral which is the initial concierge level will unlock a KnW Energy Pistol which seems to be a gold handgun. The second part is a top hat, monocle and limited whiskey. A cosmetic character customization and a piece of hangar flare.
Grand Admiral unlocks a Gold Arrowhead Sniper Rifle which is described as a custom weapon skin. I appreciate the fact no mention is made of a stronger weapon. It's important that perks like this are purely cosmetic or we cross into the pay to win BS that has been seen in other games.
Space Marshal unlocks an RSI Venture Explorer Suit, which completes the set giving you a gold accented suit that will likely stand out more than the Executive Flight Suit.
Wing Commander unlocks an F8C lightning. The Civilian variant to the UEEs new "Badass" Front line fighter.
Legatus Navium is 25K and with it you unlock a Size One Havoc mouth Edition Scattergun and a second F8 Lightning, but this one is a gold trimmed “Luxury Edition”


Anyone else getting scientology vibes from this stuff?
 
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KyoZz

Tag, you're it.
Is Star Citizen a good game?

Yes and no.
If they ever accomplish all they want, this game will be a revolution. But the thing is, the "if" is the key point. This game is in development since 6 or 7 years (I don't remember and I don't care anymore) and indeed it has make progress, but in his actual state it's still far from being a complete game, or even an interesting one in the long time. I backed this at his announcement, purchased a package at 120$ and I have put probably more than 500 hours in but now I just launch the game every 3 months when an update is released, play for 2 or 3 hours and quit until the next update.
It's a beautiful game with great visual, great sense of scale and the first hours are awesome, the scale and the will to do a game without concession is commendable but it take too much time. And the fact they do thing like this party, or try to make people pay to see the annual citizencon live stream is unbelievable.
So if you are really interested I would say buy a 30$ pack at most. If you don't know, just wait and see you clearly not missing anything because the serveur are reboot every 3 months and every progress you made is reset.
 
Paid around 25 euros years ago. Have played for 30-40 hours so I already got my moneys worth out of it. I'll check it out again when the Squadron 42 SP campaign comes out. They're pretty open about development (including financials) so it's hard to call it a scam.
 
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Bitmap Frogs

Mr. Community
Yes and no.
If they ever accomplish all they want, this game will be a revolution. But the thing is, the "if" is the key point. This game is in development since 6 or 7 years (I don't remember and I don't care anymore) and indeed it has make progress, but in his actual state it's still far from being a complete game, or even an interesting one in the long time. I backed this at his announcement, purchased a package at 120$ and I have put probably more than 500 hours in but now I just launch the game every 3 months when an update is released, play for 2 or 3 hours and quit until the next update.
It's a beautiful game with great visual, great sense of scale and the first hours are awesome, the scale and the will to do a game without concession is commendable but it take too much time. And the fact they do thing like this party, or try to make people pay to see the annual citizencon live stream is unbelievable.
So if you are really interested I would say buy a 30$ pack at most. If you don't know, just wait and see you clearly not missing anything because the serveur are reboot every 3 months and every progress you made is reset.

Honest to god: why do this when Elite Dangerous is available and it is an actual game?
 

Whitesnake

Banned
People seem to forget that these sort of things and ships are there to fund the development of the game and do not represent how ingame transactions will function.

its for actually FUNDING the game.

They've gotten $250 million.

There is no way in hell they are in need of funds.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
I haven't seen anything about this game recently. So I was wondering how is it going, when will they finish? Will they finish?

But this is just... Why would they finish? They are fine now.

What a nonsense.
No point releasing a game when money keeps flowing in.

It's like an auction. What's the point of calling it quits and giving buyers the product when the bid keeps going up? When the bids stop, then you sell.
 

Ribi

Member
Everyone's to do list at that company:

Priority 1: scour forums for more donations

Priority 2: work on spaceship models exteriors

Priority 3: set up meet and greet events for anyone whose donations equal 25% or more of their annual wages

Priority 4: work on spaceship model interiors

Priority 5: hold meetings to evaluate pricing model for spaceships

Priority 6: work on audio of spaceship thrusters

Priority 7: make 2 minute squadrom 42 demo

Priority 8: work on sound effects of spacehip lasers

Priority 9: vote on a poll whether to tell gamers the game is "coming soon" or "TBD" or "TBA"

Priority 10: help graphic artists every Friday add Robertson head screw bolt textures to spaceship landing gear
To be fair there was a 45min Squadron Demo not 2min
 

cryptoadam

Banned
Yes and no.
If they ever accomplish all they want, this game will be a revolution. But the thing is, the "if" is the key point. This game is in development since 6 or 7 years (I don't remember and I don't care anymore) and indeed it has make progress, but in his actual state it's still far from being a complete game, or even an interesting one in the long time. I backed this at his announcement, purchased a package at 120$ and I have put probably more than 500 hours in but now I just launch the game every 3 months when an update is released, play for 2 or 3 hours and quit until the next update.
It's a beautiful game with great visual, great sense of scale and the first hours are awesome, the scale and the will to do a game without concession is commendable but it take too much time. And the fact they do thing like this party, or try to make people pay to see the annual citizencon live stream is unbelievable.
So if you are really interested I would say buy a 30$ pack at most. If you don't know, just wait and see you clearly not missing anything because the serveur are reboot every 3 months and every progress you made is reset.

So what is the "game"?

Is it an MMO? FPS? Battle Royale?

What did your 120$ get you and what did you "play" for 500 hours?

I am genuinely curious. All I have seen are a few vids of some space travel and city levels. I don't think I have actually seen anything that resembles a "game".

Is there a story? MP? Whats the point and why do people keep spending money on this?
 

Domisto

Member
Probably the most upbeat review of this games content. In short, a sparse jank fest in perpetual development.

 

joe_zazen

Member
So I looked around about the private, exclusive club that you need to belong to even be allowed to pay to go to these events...

Welcome to your rundown of the Chairman Club Levels.
These are awarded to Concierge level members who have pledged
High Admiral, 1000$ Grand Admiral 2500$ Space Marshal 5000$ Wing Commander 10K$ Legatus Navium 25k$
Let's not beat around the bush.
I suppose the only people who will be upset about this sort of thing, are the people who haven't pledged the amount of money needed to unlock the perks.
Please feel free to post your opinion in the comments below.
High Admiral which is the initial concierge level will unlock a KnW Energy Pistol which seems to be a gold handgun. The second part is a top hat, monocle and limited whiskey. A cosmetic character customization and a piece of hangar flare.
Grand Admiral unlocks a Gold Arrowhead Sniper Rifle which is described as a custom weapon skin. I appreciate the fact no mention is made of a stronger weapon. It's important that perks like this are purely cosmetic or we cross into the pay to win BS that has been seen in other games.
Space Marshal unlocks an RSI Venture Explorer Suit, which completes the set giving you a gold accented suit that will likely stand out more than the Executive Flight Suit.
Wing Commander unlocks an F8C lightning. The Civilian variant to the UEEs new "Badass" Front line fighter.
Legatus Navium is 25K and with it you unlock a Size One Havoc mouth Edition Scattergun and a second F8 Lightning, but this one is a gold trimmed “Luxury Edition”


Anyone else getting scientology vibes from this stuff?

As soon as i saw ‘rundown’ i thought of Scientology. They use that word a lot.

But no, not really. CoS is genuinely scary and involves children. RSI is just making an expensive collection game.
 
This is an on-going development game. There will be no final release. Just update after update and they will keep charging money for cosmetics for i'm not sure what reason. Maybe dev costs.
 

Xaero Gravity

NEXT LEVEL lame™
OK, who wants to pool together money so we can have our own G.A.F. Enterprise? I'll call the captain's chair so I can tell my number 1 to go take a number 2, but other than that all positions are open.
 

Solomeena

Banned
Seriously, think about it. This game has raised over a quarter of a billion dollars and it has nothing to show for it, at all. I don't consider you flying your ship out of a hangar to do nothing and walking around empty cities of something to show for the 250 million dollars raised.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
$250 million so far and development is said to have begun around 2011 with an original release date of 2014 according to Wiki. It's now 2019. So 8 years and counting.

A typical quality game made by one of the usual big publishers can churn out probably 4 released games with that budget and timing.
 
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Havoc2049

Member
If you think this is expensive, check out the price of land deeds, houses and castles in Shroud of the Avatar. If you're really feeling generous with your money, you can even buy towns and cities ($900 - $7,600). Link There is a whole other level of gaming out there.
 
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P
At least that bathwater I can drink or wank into it.

This company should be investigated as a cult at this point in time deadset.
Nobody killed themselves yet, and unlike companies like King with Candy Crush they're actually getting something in this. The game of their dreams. Hope and CHANGE for the BETTER. I hope and change for another space flight sim. Hope and change. Fuck the casuals. Hope and change. Chris Roberts deliver unto meeeeeeeeeee.
 

Spaceman292

Banned
I still feel guilty about the time I spent £50 on Overwatch loot boxes. What does these weirdos feel? Does all the money they waste on this scam turn straight into endorphins?
 

Traianvs

Member
I heard from an insider that the dinner was very promising. They are still waiting for the delivery of food but they could crunch on some excellent crackers.
Sadly dessert was only for Grand Admirals willing to spend 500 $ for the picture of an amazing Sachertorte , a cake with a 200 years history
 

KyoZz

Tag, you're it.
So what is the "game"?

Is it an MMO? FPS? Battle Royale?

What did your 120$ get you and what did you "play" for 500 hours?

I am genuinely curious. All I have seen are a few vids of some space travel and city levels. I don't think I have actually seen anything that resembles a "game".

Is there a story? MP? Whats the point and why do people keep spending money on this?

For now it's nothing, not a MMO, or even a game. With 120$ I got Star Citizen, Squadron 42 and a ship. I spend a lot of time trying new update when they released, I've done some Fedex quest and some bounty hunting. I also explored the planets that came out. But now as I said I play only 2 or 3 hours every 3 months.
For now there is no story, just a little bit of lore and the MP is limited to 50 people per serveur. Why people keep spending money? I can't answer this.
 

Teslerum

Member
They've gotten $250 million.

There is no way in hell they are in need of funds.

Honestly its much scarier if they ARE.

Because that means operating costs of the development firm are completly out of control and the moment that money flow stops this project is dead in the water because unless they get a huge sucker in its impossible to continue development.

That would at least explain why they're constantly trying to raise money. Survival, plain and simple.

Well that or hookers and blow.
 
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Snake29

RSI Employee of the Year
I have never actually heard of someone playing this game. No one on GAF, REEEE, YT ever talk about actually playing this game. The only reason I know this game is a thing is because people talk about the insane prices.

At this point I don't believe anyone is actually playing this thing. Its an elaborate hoax worse then muh Russia.

Look what is happening around here. People only bitching about this game like they know everything about it. Most backers don't bother with this kinds of threads and that's why SC atm is not really a thing outside of the community....

because of these kinds of drive-by threads that are mostly the same for years know. People are still stuck in hating it for whatever what. I can see and understand that people don't like the funding but it's not like they are forcing you to spend that amount of money. Also this ship is not exclusive for attendees, everyone can by or upgrade to it. Yes prices are sometimes absurd for ships, i agree with that part but on the other hand, it's how you can fund the game.
 

KyoZz

Tag, you're it.
Look what is happening around here. People only bitching about this game like they know everything about it. Most backers don't bother with this kinds of threads and that's why SC atm is not really a thing outside of the community....

because of these kinds of drive-by threads that are mostly the same for years know. People are still stuck in hating it for whatever what. I can see and understand that people don't like the funding but it's not like they are forcing you to spend that amount of money. Also this ship is not exclusive for attendees, everyone can by or upgrade to it. Yes prices are sometimes absurd for ships, i agree with that part but on the other hand, it's how you can fund the game.

Trust me I know what I'm talking about, and people can (and have to imo) complain about this king of stupid thing. Don't do a party at an entry price of $275, put some frickin gameplay in your game !
On the op: "For now, only people who attended the party can buy it."

GTA V costs $265 million to develop AND market, so maybe it is time to accomplish something for SC ?

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Like you know, finally add salvage gameplay ? Or maybe the medic gameplay ? Or even some exploration ? Just put some gameplay in this game, 8 years after the dev as started ! But no, they keep announcing ship at an outrageous cost, ship that are not flyable by the way. Remember that Chris told he want 100 system at the release, so this game will be complete in 2077 (hi CP).
I'm a fan of the project, but at one point you have to know how to take a step back and and have a critical mind.
 

Dontero

Banned
GTA V costs $265 million to develop AND market, so maybe it is time to accomplish something for SC ?

1566814637-cmon.png


Like you know, finally add salvage gameplay ? Or maybe the medic gameplay ? Or even some exploration ? Just put some gameplay in this game, 8 years after the dev as started ! But no, they keep announcing ship at an outrageous cost, ship that are not flyable by the way. Remember that Chris told he want 100 system at the release, so this game will be complete in 2077 (hi CP).
I'm a fan of the project, but at one point you have to know how to take a step back and and have a critical mind.

You do realize that you undercut yourself ? GTA5 cost 250mln but it is much smaller game and has none of complexity of SC. Heists which is like non feature compared to any SC features was developed for almost 4 years.

I mean how hard it is to create multiplayer event in which few people take together quest and finish it together ? Are Rockstar devs incompetent ? Imagine now Rockstar devs trying to make something like multipoint ship that works in various different circumstances with gradual destruction model that impacts features and fly behavior of ship.

People pay for SC for that complexity. This is why SC got 250mln and Elite got 2MLN from fans. Elite got released and still SC fans won't look at it because they don't want to play shallow game but complex one.
 

Snake29

RSI Employee of the Year
Trust me I know what I'm talking about, and people can (and have to imo) complain about this king of stupid thing. Don't do a party at an entry price of $275, put some frickin gameplay in your game !
On the op: "For now, only people who attended the party can buy it."

GTA V costs $265 million to develop AND market, so maybe it is time to accomplish something for SC ?

1566814637-cmon.png


Like you know, finally add salvage gameplay ? Or maybe the medic gameplay ? Or even some exploration ? Just put some gameplay in this game, 8 years after the dev as started ! But no, they keep announcing ship at an outrageous cost, ship that are not flyable by the way. Remember that Chris told he want 100 system at the release, so this game will be complete in 2077 (hi CP).
I'm a fan of the project, but at one point you have to know how to take a step back and and have a critical mind.


"For now, only people who attended the party can buy it."

I can buy it right now since it was live for all other concierge members since yesterday, and today for all backers.

Like you know, finally add salvage gameplay ? Or maybe the medic gameplay ? Or even some exploration ? Just put some gameplay in this game, 8 years after the dev as started ! But no, they keep announcing ship at an outrageous cost, ship that are not flyable by the way. Remember that Chris told he want 100 system at the release, so this game will be complete in 2077 (hi CP).
I'm a fan of the project, but at one point you have to know how to take a step back and and have a critical mind.

I wasn't quite happy that Salvage was removed from the roadmap but it's already back for several months. SC is not 8 year in development they had a skeleton crew back then who worked on the technology and Chris had to set up studios as well. The current scope is just in full production since 2014.
 
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Mattyp

Gold Member
You do realize that you undercut yourself ? GTA5 cost 250mln but it is much smaller game and has none of complexity of SC. Heists which is like non feature compared to any SC features was developed for almost 4 years.

I mean how hard it is to create multiplayer event in which few people take together quest and finish it together ? Are Rockstar devs incompetent ? Imagine now Rockstar devs trying to make something like multipoint ship that works in various different circumstances with gradual destruction model that impacts features and fly behavior of ship.

People pay for SC for that complexity. This is why SC got 250mln and Elite got 2MLN from fans. Elite got released and still SC fans won't look at it because they don't want to play shallow game but complex one.

Half of that $250 was just for advertising and an actual delivered product across multiple generations. I'm not sure how many city towers Star Citizen has been advertising on lately along with tv spots.

Star Citizen has incompetent accountants, developers, or just made them all insanely rich.
 
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Dontero

Banned
Half of that $250 was just for advertising and an actual delivered product across multiple generations. I'm not sure how many towers Star Citizen has been advertising on lately along with tv spots.

Star Citizen has incompetent accountants, developers, or just made them all insanely rich.

It is funny to listen to such drivel. Here studio which managed to get people pay $230mln in crowdfunding with second best crowdfunding game being only at $6mln and closest competitor Elite only managing to get $2mln in crowdfunding has incompetent business side.

Since we are talking about incompetency why is that no one else tries to replicate that ? Why is that Elite can't bring actual multicrew ships you can walk in ? Why is that planetary tech is so hard for everyone else when SC devs can do it with great success ? why Square can't create even one HD city for Final Fantasy XV while SC devs can create one kms in size ? Why is everyone working on games since past few years still can't beat SC graphics ?

I think the answer is clear. It is hard stuff that require time and backers who ultimately want game don't mind waiting. As long as backers of SC are willing to support game SC devs can do what they want and piss on nayseyers as they are not someone they should care about.

What is the alternative to SC ? Elite and we know that people don't want Elite, because it doesn't try to do what SC does and never will. No one will.

People want mix of GTA and EVE and clearly no one else can serve that type of game other than SC devs.
 
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KyoZz

Tag, you're it.
You do realize that you undercut yourself ? GTA5 cost 250mln but it is much smaller game and has none of complexity of SC. Heists which is like non feature compared to any SC features was developed for almost 4 years.

I mean how hard it is to create multiplayer event in which few people take together quest and finish it together ? Are Rockstar devs incompetent ? Imagine now Rockstar devs trying to make something like multipoint ship that works in various different circumstances with gradual destruction model that impacts features and fly behavior of ship.

People pay for SC for that complexity. This is why SC got 250mln and Elite got 2MLN from fans. Elite got released and still SC fans won't look at it because they don't want to play shallow game but complex one.

What complexity ? You are talking about something that is not existing right now. I can do a Kickstarter asking for $30 000 000 and tell you it's gonna be the ultimate game including all type of gameplay and all type of games, from Fifa to DOOM. It will still be just words if 8 years later you can't just do 10% of what was promised...
You talking about multiplayer ? Really ? It is limited to 50 players, and it's not gonna change soon by the look of the roadmap.


I wasn't quite happy that Salvage was removed from the roadmap but it's already back for several months. SC is not 8 year in development they had a skeleton crew back then who worked on the technology and Chris had to set up studios as well. The current scope is just in full production since 2014.

It's back yeah, until it's gone again... And what about medical gameplay ? In fact, what about everything else ? What is your estimated release date for Star Citizen 1.0 ?
Oh and this "SC is not 8 year in development'': let's say ok your right, its been in dev for 4 years (HAHAHA) and that's all they can do ?

Honestly I could have ignored all this if they did not take people for idiots. Take your time Chris, but stop milking those who supported you. As I said in the OP, if the game is finished one day it will be a revolution but now we are still far from that.
 

#Phonepunk#

Banned
Kinda feel like childless adults are the ultimate marks. Keep telling them life is meaningless and they shouldn’t even think of having kids, the only meaning is through consumption. If you have no legacy and no one to care for then your gonna have cash burning a hole in your pocket. If it wasn’t these guys it would have been Marvel or Disney so I applaud them for the hustle at least.
 

Dontero

Banned
What complexity ? You are talking about something that is not existing right now.

Not existing ? Then what people have been playing since release of PU ? You do realize there are people who play SC right now ? They use those features i spoke off.

I can do a Kickstarter asking for $30 000 000 and tell you it's gonna be the ultimate game including all type of gameplay and all type of games, from Fifa to DOOM. It will still be just words if 8 years later you can't just do 10% of what was promised...
You talking about multiplayer ? Really ? It is limited to 50 players, and it's not gonna change soon by the look of the roadmap.

If you can do that. Many people like you even legendary space devs thought the same and they all failed to rise even 1/10th of the money.

The reason why they get so much money is that since day 1 they have been openly transparent about their developement and you could see from start how game grows. And very quickly they put into players hands something to play with. First it was hangar module with just models of ships, then arena commander where you could fly some, then fps module, then persistant universe which you can play with few players and ever since release of PU they introduce those features over time.

effectively game is already relesed. Buggy true but you can test yourself those features and play good deal of hours.

50 player is technical limit they have because they are yet to introduce server multi-threading which will solve that issue. 50 player is also about as much as most of mmos these days allow you to play in one instance. In Elite closest competitor you can't even get 20 people together in same instance.

It's back yeah, until it's gone again... And what about medical gameplay ? In fact, what about everything else ? What is your estimated release date for Star Citizen 1.0 ?
Oh and this "SC is not 8 year in development'': let's say ok your right, its been in dev for 4 years (HAHAHA) and that's all they can do ?

You can already play game. You can mine your way, hunt pirates and so on, earn money and buy new ships upgrade them, buy weapons etc. With every new patch they add on top of that. You can take packages from one place to another with placement feature. Stuff like medical gameplay etc are still WIP and probably will be for a while because they are new features they plan to add to game later on.

Also i don't remember medical gameplay being one of streachgoals.
 

MadAnon

Member
It is funny to listen to such drivel. Here studio which managed to get people pay $230mln in crowdfunding with second best crowdfunding game being only at $6mln and closest competitor Elite only managing to get $2mln in crowdfunding has incompetent business side.

Since we are talking about incompetency why is that no one else tries to replicate that ? Why is that Elite can't bring actual multicrew ships you can walk in ? Why is that planetary tech is so hard for everyone else when SC devs can do it with great success ? why Square can't create even one HD city for Final Fantasy XV while SC devs can create one kms in size ? Why is everyone working on games since past few years still can't beat SC graphics ?

I think the answer is clear. It is hard stuff that require time and backers who ultimately want game don't mind waiting. As long as backers of SC are willing to support game SC devs can do what they want and piss on nayseyers as they are not someone they should care about.

What is the alternative to SC ? Elite and we know that people don't want Elite, because it doesn't try to do what SC does and never will. No one will.

People want mix of GTA and EVE and clearly no one else can serve that type of game other than SC devs.

Tons of complex mechanics in one game. Yeah, sounds like Theranos with their impossible promises and dreams about tons of complex blood tests in one elegant solution. Maybe there's reason why no other game company is even trying such ridiculousness as CIG?

Now that I mention it, Theranos is actually great comparison for current state of Star Citizen and the company, founder behind it.
 
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KyoZz

Tag, you're it.
@ Dontero Dontero it seems like you think I don't know what I'm talking about but trust me I do. Yeah you can mine, hunt pirates and "so on" (Fedex quest is the only thing left you can do, oh no you can also race on a planet if you bought a 60 dollars Dragonfly)

Not existing ? Then what people have been playing since release of PU ? You do realize there are people who play SC right now ? They use those features i spoke off.

They are not playing, even the biggest fanboy of the game must say that NO, this isn't a game (and witch features?)


You can already play game. You can mine your way, hunt pirates and so on, earn money and buy new ships upgrade them, buy weapons etc. With every new patch they add on top of that. You can take packages from one place to another with placement feature. Stuff like medical gameplay etc are still WIP and probably will be for a while because they are new features they plan to add to game later on.

Also i don't remember medical gameplay being one of streachgoals.

Don't call this a game please, yeah you can earn money and buy new ships upgrade them, buy weapons etc BUT this will be reset every 3 months, if not more...
"You can take packages from one place to another with placement feature" WOW that's some amazing feature.
Oh and they better add medical gameplay because they sold this little thing.
And what do you think of the game's financing policy ? Nothing is problematic ? And if I told you that in 10 years, the game will still be far from complete what would be your reaction ? (serious question)
Understand me well, I am a fan of this game, but it's slowly becoming ridiculous.
And I'm not talking about this, and this...

Now, I get that I wont make you change your mind, just like you wont change mine so let's agree on our disagreement ? See you in the verse !
 

HelpYouFall

Member
@ Dontero Dontero
Oh and they better add medical gameplay because they sold this little thing.

Wait, the imaginary in game space ship manufacturer has the same name as the lead dev?
Wow I guess all the rumors and stories about this dude's endlessly inflated ego must kind of ring true LOL

Look, I don't want to rag on the game cause I haven't played it, but everytime an article surfaces about this game it's bs like this and me asking "who buys this nonsense?!"

Different strokes for different people, I guess :)
 

Bitmap Frogs

Mr. Community
As soon as i saw ‘rundown’ i thought of Scientology. They use that word a lot.

But no, not really. CoS is genuinely scary and involves children. RSI is just making an expensive collection game.

Sure, but you know the sales tactics are eerily similar...
 
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