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[DynamiteCop!]

Like I said, you people are jumping the gun here. You're getting too cocky and the story is unraveling faster than anticipated. There's something going on with software that has caused this.

The game runs better (nearly perfect) when 1440p is selected as the output rather than 1080p..... SOFTWARE ISSUES....

 

[Thirty7ven]

I don't understand why are some people upset at games running nearly the same on both consoles.

Blame it on MS PR. It's a shit show over there, a bunch of corporate douchebags who think gamers are fucking morons. And to be honest, if the past 12 months are any indication, many of them are.

 

[ethomaz]

In the forum of the extreme left resetera they have to be crying

I always thought ERA was extreme right

 

[Riky]

Like I said, you people are jumping the gun here. You're getting too cocky and the story is unraveling faster than anticipated. There's something going on with software that has caused this.

The game runs better (nearly perfect) when 1440p is selected as the output rather than 1080p..... SOFTWARE ISSUES....

So actually performs better on Xbox, that's DMC5 and Black Ops already

 

[Stuart360]

Like I said, you people are jumping the gun here. You're getting too cocky and the story is unraveling faster than anticipated. There's something going on with software that has caused this.

The game runs better (nearly perfect) when 1440p is selected as the output rather than 1080p..... SOFTWARE ISSUES....

I dont get it, so the framerate went up at a higher resolution?. Wasnt the 120hz at 1080p?.
Someone should try the same with other 120fps modes in games.

 

[azertydu91]

I always thought ERA was extreme right

Is there a difference in reality ?

 

[ethomaz]

Is there a difference in reality ?

I’m not sure... I have a hard time really say which one is which.
Maybe in theory there is big ideological difference but in practice seems very confusing.

 

[Stuart360]

I always thought ERA was extreme right

lol thats what they think we are. 'Free thinking' is far right according to leftist loons.

 

[GHG]

Like I said, you people are jumping the gun here. You're getting too cocky and the story is unraveling faster than anticipated. There's something going on with software that has caused this.

The game runs better (nearly perfect) when 1440p is selected as the output rather than 1080p..... SOFTWARE ISSUES....

If performance (and/or smoothness) improves when you increase the resolution then it means there's most likely a bottleneck (usually CPU related in instances like this) that's manifesting itself at lower resolutions.

It's impossible to know for sure though unless we know what resolution the game is actually running at in both instances.

 

[ethomaz]

lol thats what they think we are. 'Free thinking' is far right according to leftist loons.

So the left is actually right side?
It is too confusing.

 

[JackMcGunns]

It's not an ideal situation absolutely, but it's clearly one birthed of software so I'm not worried about it whatsoever. I've been around hardware for long enough to clearly see what's taking place. Early titles, immature SDK, late arrival of devkits.

This is a temporary state of affairs, and luckily it's during a period and with a set of games I couldn't really care less about.

Anyone remember when Xbox One had better Anisotropic Filtering than the PS4?


No? Exactly!

 

[DynamiteCop!]

If performance (and/or smoothness) improves when you increase the resolution then it means there's most likely a bottleneck (usually CPU related in instances like this) that's manifesting itself at lower resolutions.

It's impossible to know for sure though unless we know what resolution the game is actually running at in both instances.

This is output resolution, not rendering.

 

[azertydu91]

I’m not sure... I have a hard time really say which one is which.
Maybe in theory there is big ideological difference but in practice seems very confusing.

I see the political as a circle, centrists at a point and extremes as the opposite, nearly identical in action.

 

[GHG]

This is output resolution, not rendering.

So the rendering resolution remains the same regardless?

What output resolution does VGTech run his tests at?

 

[Stuart360]

This is output resolution, not rendering.

You should make a new thread really as its more than therad worthy, and its actually very useful info for people that have a XSX and the game.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

So the rendering resolution remains the same regardless?

What output resolution does VGTech run his tests at?

I assume he's on a TV which automatically changes the output to 1080p @120hz

 

[Zuzu]

Like I said, you people are jumping the gun here. You're getting too cocky and the story is unraveling faster than anticipated. There's something going on with software that has caused this.

The game runs better (nearly perfect) when 1440p is selected as the output rather than 1080p..... SOFTWARE ISSUES....

That’s good to see. Awesome performance!

 

[ethomaz]

So the rendering resolution remains the same regardless?

What output resolution does VGTech run his tests at?

The guy has three videos.

1080p120 = Not show drops.
1440p120 = Not show drops (seems like the same location from the 1080p video)
1440p120 = Shows drops like the OP video (seems like another location from the others videos)

The conclusion from Xbox fans... the 1440p120 perform better than 1080p lol

Well when you try to find excuses you will really reach some weird conclusions.

 

[TrebleShot]

People in this thread need to understand the concept of Brookes Law,

“Just because one woman can have a baby in nine months does not mean that nine women can have a baby in one month” Fred Brooks, author of “The Mythical Man-Month” and the concept of “Brooks’ Law.”

I believe in this instance MS took the approach of trying to achieve more (Higher Framerates and fidelity) with more power when the focus should have been how can you achieve more through optimization and removing bottlenecks in an already powerful and adequate system.

In the long term the more is more argument may come to fruition but not before it has been optimized and the bottlenecks have been removed.

In other words, you block the toilet with one huge dump, when you can get it through the pipe faster with multiple smaller fast paced dumps.

 

[ravben22]

If performance (and/or smoothness) improves when you increase the resolution then it means there's most likely a bottleneck (usually CPU related in instances like this) that's manifesting itself at lower resolutions.

It's impossible to know for sure though unless we know what resolution the game is actually running at in both instances.

What? CPU would be more evident at higher resolution.

 

[GHG]

I assume he's on a TV which automatically changes the output to 1080p @120hz

Well if that's the case it should be an easy fix then.

Well when you try to find excuses you will really reach some weird conclusions.

Stinks of grasping at straws to me but I'm happy to be proven wrong.

 

[Stuart360]

People in this thread need to understand the concept of Brookes Law,

“Just because one woman can have a baby in nine months does not mean that nine women can have a baby in one month” Fred Brooks, author of “The Mythical Man-Month” and the concept of “Brooks’ Law.”

I believe in this instance MS took the approach of trying to achieve more (Higher Framerates and fidelity) with more power when the focus should have been how can you achieve more through optimization and removing bottlenecks in an already powerful and adequate system.

In the long term the more is more argument may come to fruition but not before it has been optimized and the bottlenecks have been removed.

In other words, you block the toilet with one huge dump, when you can get it through the pipe faster with multiple smaller fast paced dumps.

But we all know what happened to Brookes...

 

[Azurro]

Like I said, you people are jumping the gun here. You're getting too cocky and the story is unraveling faster than anticipated. There's something going on with software that has caused this.

The game runs better (nearly perfect) when 1440p is selected as the output rather than 1080p..... SOFTWARE ISSUES....

So, basically the monstrous difference between PS5 and Series X is "I swear I saw an extra frame of performance in these one mode a couple of times, I swear!!". I thought the console had FULL RDNA2!

 

[ethomaz]

Stinks of grasping at straws to me but I'm happy to be proven wrong.

That is what you got from my comment? lol
You were said more in general... not you exactly... I didn't even saw you trying to find excuses... it was aimed to the guy that make the videos.

Edit - From the same channel the location is flawless in PS5 too.



So in that same location both his 1080p and 1440p videos on Series X looks perfect in framerate terms matching PS5 in that location.
In another location the 1080p video shows the same drops of OP video.

 

[Riky]

Dat 12 TF. Finally they can show all their potential in 2 milliseconds of faster loading.

Listen to me, if the matter of the post is just that, it's better to get a life than post. Really to see so much investment for such ridiculous difference is truly discouraging. My personal humble suggest.

 

[Aladin]

I am waiting for gameplay review on new amd cards. If those cards dont show considerable performance multiples over the new consoles, I will just assume it's the old software engines not being fully able to utilise the architecture of amd cards and series x.

 

[assurdum]

Man if I would start to quote your embarrassing post history...a thread wouldn't be enough.

 

[asustitan]

Warzone works great 1080p 120. VRR provides much smoothness to it compared without.

If you struggling get to 120hz on your TV, untick the Advanced > Allow 4K option.

 

[MastaKiiLA]

Like I said, you people are jumping the gun here. You're getting too cocky and the story is unraveling faster than anticipated. There's something going on with software that has caused this.

The game runs better (nearly perfect) when 1440p is selected as the output rather than 1080p..... SOFTWARE ISSUES....

I'm not sure the point of a framerate comparison is to use sections of the game where it runs smoothly. I think the point is to pick sections of the game where hardware either visibly struggles, or you expect it to struggle based on scene composition. This seems like an undesirable video to prove your point. Find a video from the same segments as the VGTech video, to prove that the resolution is the issue. That's typical control group/experimental group approach we all should have learned in middle-school science class.

I believe VGTech picked a mix of scenes that he saw 1 or more consoles struggle with, as well as some that he thought might be problematic, like the chopper shootouts over the small village, and in the canyon. Also the jungle shootout, with the large explosions. Both boxed seemed to handle that last one well, but it would make sense to use it as a test, seeing all the alpha effects and potential physics that could be in play. Similarly, in ACV he probably chose scenes where he saw XSX tearing, and ran them on the PS5 and XSS to see if performance dropped similarly on those machines as well.

You want stress tests, not glory runs.

 

[Mr Moose]

Like I said, you people are jumping the gun here. You're getting too cocky and the story is unraveling faster than anticipated. There's something going on with software that has caused this.

The game runs better (nearly perfect) when 1440p is selected as the output rather than 1080p..... SOFTWARE ISSUES....

What are you talking about? It was captured at 1080p 120fps, it wasn't displayed at that.
That's the capture card they are using, not the console settings.

The 120fps mode was captured at 1080p.

PS5 at 120fps, Series X at 120fps and Series S use a dynamic resolution with the highest resolution found being 2560x1440 and the lowest resolution found being 1280x1200.

Do you still believe there is no Series S?
Why is that video being used in a VGTech thread? They are using Trdrop, I don't think VG does(?).

 

[onQ123]

I never seen Digital Foundry so quiet lol

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

The whole situation - in a sense - is a huge catastrophe for MS. They basically needed only to run multiplatform better, because nobody expected them to have better exclusive games - well GOTY's at least - than Sony. Yet, it fails in multiplatform games. Add to that not having launch games and it creates a weird situation.

I for one own XSS and I am pretty content as I have no single game on PS5 that interests me - it is a most third-person console and the only third-person games I play are GTA and State of Decay - but media is ruthless.

 

[FlyyGOD]

"A console shouldn't require a tool to get it to stand."

couple months later.....

"Wait for tools"....

I don't know if you guys are in denial or just ignoring the facts that are clearly in front of your face. Waiting for RDNA2 and implementing dx12 slowed down getting the proper development tools ready in time.

 

[ethomaz]

I don't know if you guys are in denial or just ignoring the facts that are clearly in front of your face. Waiting for RDNA2 and implementing dx12 slowed down getting the proper development tools ready in time.

We aren't ignoring the facts... games running better on PS5.

 

[onQ123]

I don't know if you guys are in denial or just ignoring the facts that are clearly in front of your face. Waiting for RDNA2 and implementing dx12 slowed down getting the proper development tools ready in time.

Please remove the Shannon Sharpe avatar if you're going to continue to act like Skip

 

[jose4gg]

I don't know if you guys are in denial or just ignoring the facts that are clearly in front of your face. Waiting for RDNA2 and implementing dx12 slowed down getting the proper development tools ready in time.

, I love this scenario, PS fans have been saying for almost a year, that Geometry engine implementation will come in the second wave of games, and that "box might perform better" because of it, now that both machines perform "equal", Xbox fans are waiting for DirectX12 implementation to come like Playstation will take a 2-year break from developing better tools for their system

I'm loving this.

 

[sircaw]

I don't know if you guys are in denial or just ignoring the facts that are clearly in front of your face. Waiting for RDNA2 and implementing dx12 slowed down getting the proper development tools ready in time.

It's always the same with them, waiting for Microsoft.

Well, waiting is still not going to change anything i am afraid. So what if Microsoft comes out slightly ahead, judging by the power narrative and the specs of the machine they were meant to. And then what?


The facts are simple, People went to town on the ps5 for months, spreading fud and just talking shit none stop about sony. The fact that sony is trading blows right next to the xbox shows its a damn good machine.

xbox people were chasing sony fans out of threads, throwing shade left right and center.

Take geordiemp , the amount of shit people gave him on the xbox side for talking about cache scrubbers and custom silicone in the ps5 was astonishing, there were tonnes of them, calling him a fraud and a liar.

The guy shared pictures of where he worked with me, this guy was the real deal, but Tom dick and harry on the xbox side in there Mothers basement attacked him, Xbox is going to own ps5 dude, you suck, you just wait for the comparisons due, You're a liar, you don't know what your talking about, 30% extra is going to BLA BLA BLA.

The Xbox fanatics are in total disarray, ain't seen a fucking dealer or Eastwood video for days. Tim dog where are you?

Fucking silence, they talked shit for so long, massive differences we would see, not close, not a few frames a second ahead, 51 fps, some idiots on this forum were talking 30% extra performance in games.

I am still considering making a thread about every single xbox fan on this forum that caused and created this drama,

With the machines so closely matched now, the real consumers can concentrate on what really is important, the games, the controllers, the exclusives.

the time of buzz words and over-hyped empty Pr words is dead. No more talking people for a ride.

 

[gooner4life_uk]

DirectX 12 was released in 2015, it was shown at GDC in March 2014, it's six years in the making, it's not that different to DX11, if you're waiting on tools, you might be the tool.

 

[John Wick]

It's not the need to be out in front, it's the fact that with a little bit of time it will be. This has me worried for you people because you're partially winning a few battles with some release titles and siking yourselves up prematurely believing that this is going to be the normal state of affairs.

You have all the information and forewarning in the world for why this is happening, you know it's temporary, I know it's temporary, every here knows it's temporary, but just to dig that knife into us a bit you're claiming some kind of victory which will inevitably fall flat and embarrass all of you.

Worst part is you'll be all confused and act like you didn't see it coming. I'll make sure to remind you, constantly.

Your wrong. I think most people expect the Series X to be a bit more powerful in games but not by the silly margins you and your cronies have been boasting about eh?
The other thing is we have PS exclusives coming within the first 12 months, xbox when??? By the time series x ones arrive PS will be on the next wave. Also PS API's will get better and so will maximizing the SSD.

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

It's always the same with them, waiting for Microsoft.

Well, waiting is still not going to change anything i am afraid. So what if Microsoft comes out slightly ahead, judging by the power narrative and the specs of the machine they were meant to. And then what?


The facts are simple, People went to town on the ps5 for months, spreading fud and just talking shit none stop about sony. The fact that sony is trading blows right next to the xbox shows its a damn good machine.

xbox people were chasing sony fans out of threads, throwing shade left right and center.

Take geordiemp , the amount of shit people gave him on the xbox side for talking about cache scrubbers and custom silicone in the ps5 was astonishing, there were tonnes of them, calling him a fraud and a liar.

The guy shared pictures of where he worked with me, this guy was the real deal, but Tom dick and harry on the xbox side in there Mothers basement attacked him, Xbox is going to own ps5 dude, you suck, you just wait for the comparisons due, You're a liar, you don't know what your talking about, 30% extra is going to BLA BLA BLA.

The Xbox fanatics are in total disarray, ain't seen a fucking dealer or Eastwood video for days. Tim dog where are you?

Fucking silence, they talked shit for so long, massive differences we would see, not close, not a few frames a second ahead, 51 fps, some idiots on this forum were talking 30% extra performance in games.

I am still considering making a thread about every single xbox fan on this forum that caused and created this drama,

With the machines so closely matched now, the real consumers can concentrate on what really is important, the games, the controllers, the exclusives.

the time of buzz words and over-hyped empty Pr words is dead. No more talking people for a ride.

Do the same for Sony and my money says it's a lot longer.

 

[assurdum]

Buy a series X to have the label of better multiplat it's really a waste of money. Take a good pc if it's really that important the best version. There aren't such meaningful difference on both hardware to buy a console just for better multiplat. It has been reported many times by the developers.

 

[phil_t98]

It's always the same with them, waiting for Microsoft.

Well, waiting is still not going to change anything i am afraid. So what if Microsoft comes out slightly ahead, judging by the power narrative and the specs of the machine they were meant to. And then what?


The facts are simple, People went to town on the ps5 for months, spreading fud and just talking shit none stop about sony. The fact that sony is trading blows right next to the xbox shows its a damn good machine.

xbox people were chasing sony fans out of threads, throwing shade left right and center.

Take geordiemp , the amount of shit people gave him on the xbox side for talking about cache scrubbers and custom silicone in the ps5 was astonishing, there were tonnes of them, calling him a fraud and a liar.

The guy shared pictures of where he worked with me, this guy was the real deal, but Tom dick and harry on the xbox side in there Mothers basement attacked him, Xbox is going to own ps5 dude, you suck, you just wait for the comparisons due, You're a liar, you don't know what your talking about, 30% extra is going to BLA BLA BLA.

The Xbox fanatics are in total disarray, ain't seen a fucking dealer or Eastwood video for days. Tim dog where are you?

Fucking silence, they talked shit for so long, massive differences we would see, not close, not a few frames a second ahead, 51 fps, some idiots on this forum were talking 30% extra performance in games.

I am still considering making a thread about every single xbox fan on this forum that caused and created this drama,

With the machines so closely matched now, the real consumers can concentrate on what really is important, the games, the controllers, the exclusives.

the time of buzz words and over-hyped empty Pr words is dead. No more talking people for a ride.

wasn't that the same guy who was counting down to an event saying PS5 has full RDNA 2 and the day they showed it off they said the only console with full RDNA 2 was xbox?

 

[sircaw]

Do the same for Sony and my money says it's a lot longer.

and you're a prime example of it, you have learned nothing.

Xbox started this war, you guys created this shit-storm, ps5 people retaliated, if you want to really make amends, its time you start calling out your fellow Xbox people, tell them to stop with their shit.

You know this is the truth.

you guys went on about it for months, now that the proof is in the pudding you hate the results, you hate the reaction.
It's your own fault your feeling bad, not mine, not anyone from the sony side.

You people poked the fucking hornet's nest and you got fucking stung big time.
Clean your home base up, it's always the same, it's always the Xbox fans instigating this shit.


i am here because of people like you. Dont play the victim card now that its turned out terrible for you.

i was absolutely neutral when i first came to this forum, but day after day after looking at the constant shit post after shit post of xbox people trying to make sony people look bad or feel terrible, i said enough is enough.

reap the whirlwind dude.

Sort out your side and this shit would not have happened.

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

and you're a prime example of it, you have learned nothing.

Xbox started this war, you guys created this shit-storm, ps5 people retaliated, if you want to really make amends, its time you start calling out your fellow Xbox people, tell them to stop with their shit.

You know this is the truth.

you guys went on about it for months, now that the proof is in the pudding you hate the results, you hate the reaction.
It's your own fault your feeling bad, not mine, not anyone from the sony side.

You people poked the fucking hornet's nest and you got fucking stung big time.
Clean your home base up, it's always the same, it's always the Xbox fans instigating this shit.


i am here because of people like you. Dont play the victim card now that its turned out terrible for you.

i was absolutely neutral when i first came to this forum, but day after day after looking at the constant shit post after shit post of xbox people trying to make sony people look bad or feel terrible, i said enough is enough.

reap the whirlwind dude.

Sort out your side and this shit would not have happened.

I quite literally stopped reading after the whiney bullshit first paragraph.
It's just a bunch of babies crying on both sides. Your side just happens to have the biggest bunch. I guess congratulations are in order. Congrats on having the largest group of adults who act like children.

 

[sircaw]

I quite literally stopped reading after the whiney bullshit first paragraph.
It's just a bunch of babies crying on both sides. Your side just happens to have the biggest bunch. I guess congratulations are in order. Congrats on having the largest group of adults who act like children.

Once again, you refuse to learn, this is on you dude.

Be better, you know what i am saying is true, i can not help you more than telling you the truth,

What you do with it, well that's your choice.

but you do know, this is what happened.

If you want to make things better, talk to the people on your side that started this shitshow.

Sorry it kinda hurts but its the truth dude. EVeryone here knows it.

 

[GHG]

That is what you got from my comment?

Nope, I'm in agreement with you.

The grasping at straws comment was in reference to people thinking the output being changed from 1080p to 1440p is indicative of anything, especially when that doesn't change the rendering resolution.

 

[Aceofspades]

PS5:
- much higher GPU clocks (with increased latency)
- faster SSD
- I/O offloaded to special hardware from CPU
- Audio offloaded to special hardware from CPU
- 16gb of unified memory
- AMD SmartShift
- easer to develop for

is enough to compensate:

Xbox
- more CUs (52 vs 36)
- higher CPU clock (3.6/3.8 vs 3.5/3.5)
- higher bandwidth for 10gb (560gb/s vs 448 for 16gb)


We need something like Forza Horizon to really see what Xbox is capable of. Then compare it to PC version.

XSX is 52CUs not 56

 

[Mr Moose]

I don't know if you guys are in denial or just ignoring the facts that are clearly in front of your face. Waiting for RDNA2 and implementing dx12 slowed down getting the proper development tools ready in time.

Windows 10 hits the Xbox One in November, DirectX 12 in tow

Microsoft has announced that Windows 10 will hit the Xbox One this November, bringing DirectX 12 along for the ride, which will allow for greater detail in texture, lighting, and more.

www.windowscentral.com

Windows 10 hits the Xbox One in November, DirectX 12 in tow

4 Aug 2015
What?

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

That's not true, there are several third party titles which rival or exceed Sony's efforts. That mostly comes down to time invested and artistic talent, not the hardware. Regardless of capability incredibly talented people can produce beautiful things.

No this it's true.
X had better looking 3rd party games in most cases but the Pro exclusives were last gens best looking games period.

PS5's best lookers are literary offering a generation better visuals thus far vs anything on XSX.

I do think this gap will close somewhat over time(the sooner they quit supporting xbo the better)

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

@Coolwhhip S0ULZB0URNE

Where they stand in development currently is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. The games are coming. As for Bethesda and Id, you don't drop $7.5 billion to not have those titles exclusive to your ecosystem.

An ecosystem (and controller) which I prefer overall.

You are assuming and I hope you are right. EDIT: https://www.videogameschronicle.com...a-games-to-be-first-or-best-on-xbox-says-cfo/
Also owning both PS5 and XSX I still prefer the XSX controller as well.