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Winter of Anime 2013 |OT -6| How much lower can we go?!

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Brazil

Living in the shadow of Amaz
One Piece - :firehawk + Fishman Island Arcs (490-574)

I really wasn't planning on posting Fishman Island impressions, but then I remembered that I hadn't posted anything about the previous mini-arc yet, so here we are!

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Anime Fishman Island was pretty bad. It had a couple of amazing moments (like the whole narrator speech during
Luffy's blood transfusion
) and a few incredibly satisfying moments (like
Zoro cutting Hody like the little shit that he is or Chopper displaying complete control over Monster Point
), but the overall impression I got from it was that most of what I assume are the arc's highest points in the manga were dragged down to the floor by the horrible pacing. It was still more enjoyable than
Impel Down
because more interesting stuff happened... But only by a tiny margin.

The first 2/3 of the arc were particularly bad. Absolutely nothing happens until ten episodes after the huge flashback is done, and even then events keep moving at a snail's pace. I think the whole point of the arc, at least in Oda's mind, was to
show how freaking powerful and awesome everyone became in the two years they were away from the Sunny. Hell, if it wasn't for those ridiculous pills, Luffy would've killed Hody at least ten times over, and most of the time he was even handicapped by the water. They even fit all the coup de grâces into a single episode!
In theory, that would be great. But - I still have to confirm this by reading the manga, mind you - it seems that Oda failed to accomplish that at a decent pace. I think he didn't want to make the whole conflict feel cheap... But I don't know why. I mean, the way he dealt with Bellamy in Jaya was so awesome. He could've just repeated that here! Haha. But, yeah. It seems that even in the manga this arc was slow... So it was inevitable for the anime to be insufferable.

But, well, now it's over, and we've got at least two good things out of this arc:

1 -
Poseidon.
2 -
Future nakama Jinbe hell yeah.

But before all that... Man...

:firehawk

Sabo's death flags were all over the place, but I knew he wouldn't die because I really didn't believe Oda'd kill Luffy's two big brothers. So I knew he'd live, but somehow disappear. He started talking about how he was mad at the nobles, despite being one... And I immediatelly pictured him as being a Revolutionary in the present time. He couldn't possibly be a pirate because if that was the case, he'd be a rookie or someone relevant and we'd already know about his whereabouts. He couldn't be a Marine either because that made no sense. But if he was a Revolutionary, he wouldn't have had a reason to show up yet... It made so much sense.

And then freaking Dragon showed up. You can only imagine my reaction, hahaha.

Edit: Oh, hey, I had posted about the mini-arc before! Oh, well, hahaha.

Previous impressions: Arabasta, Jaya + Skypiea, Davy Back Fight, Water 7 + Enies Lobby, Thriller Bark, Sabaody Archipelago, Amazon Lily + ___________ + Marineford.

So, yeah. 14 months later, I've finally caught up with the anime. Good times. Some of the best, actually.
 

AfroLuffy

Member
The Rose of Versailles

[This is the place I'd post images or .gifs to make my post stand out, except I'm lazy, so if visual stimuli is your thing, you might check out the opening here.]

Needing a break from my Star Trek TNG marathon, I decided to dig around in the anime pile for something new to watch this week. Since the whole series is now streaming on Viki (with, I hear, occasionally questionable subtitle quality) and the first boxset is coming out in May thanks to Nozomi, I figured it was a good time to finally watch The Rose of Versailles.

First, this was a surprisingly a tough show to watch early on! I even considered dropping it at a few points, only persevering due to its reputation and knowing that Osamu Dezaki takes over as director for the second half.

Lady Oscar, the central protagonist, is such a strong and unique character that her presence alone makes the show watchable, but the first half of the series is really the Marie Antoinette show for better or worse. Since this is a show that begins twenty years beforehand and ends with the French Revolution, it would be remiss to not focus on Antoinette, and the characterization does pay dividends in the end. But there's a period of about eight episodes early on, during which Antoinette squabbles with her rival antagonist at court, that grew really tiresome. Simply, the show makes it very hard to root for Antoinette at this early juncture as she only slowly becomes more sympathetic as the show progresses. A better director could have made these parts interesting, recall that Dezaki worked magic much later with very similar material on Ikeda's Brother, Dear Brother, where squabbling, scheming, and rivalry at school replace the petty drama of the court -- but this isn't a Dezaki show, at least not yet!

Nevertheless, the storms do slowly subside: Antoinette slowly becomes more likable, the previously one sided antagonist gets fleshed out and new ones emerge, new and interesting characters appear and are slowly woven into the larger plot, petty squabbles take a back seat to forbidden love plots and romance, and, most importantly, Ryoko Ikeda or the tv writers, whichever, seem to finally realize that Lady Oscar is the main character of the show after all, as events more and more begin to be seen from her vantage point and the show is all the better for it.

Still, while the story really starts to get going in the second half of the first series (ep 10-18), the execution of the work as a whole, with a few exceptions, more often than not, fails to give the unfolding drama much weight. This changes immediately with Dezaki at the helm, starting with his very first episode #19, which I watched not knowing it was Dezaki in the director's chair, except, for the first time, the drama actually struck a chord!

The overall improvement in the second half of the show is immediately apparent (eps 19-40). The whole show seems to mature and become more grand all at once. Events which previously might have seemed trivial and silly are now given weight and resonance. Most vital of all, the drama, which in the first half, except few exceptions, came off flat and detached, now comes imbued with real power and emotion. In other words: the whole tone and tenor of the show finally began to match the material. Of course, it also helps that the story and character development in the second half of the show is exceptionally good; that the animation budget seems to have improved and as such the show looks less dated; and that Dezaki's other half, Akio Sugino, is on board for character design work -- it's sort of a giant make over from the director on down.

I won't go as far to say that the first half of Rose of Versailles is bad. It's not. Its just that I hardly think the show would be considered a classic if not for amazingly improved second half. Case in point: it took me about a week to watch the first half of the series, watching a few episodes each night; I watched the final twenty episodes in a two sittings. This show really is a masterpiece, but only just.

About the ending of this show, do not watch episode previews, read synopsis, look at images, or even read episode titles ahead of time, as the episode titles themselves contain HUGE spoilers! This is not a show you want to accidentally spoil for yourself. Semi-Spoilers about my reaction to the ending:
I don't think I have ever cry-ed so much watching anything in my life! :(

I'd recommend this show to fans of shoujo, utena, romance, historical fiction, revolutionary France aficionados, mismatched gender role enthusiasts, old school anime fans, and simply those that like a good drama. If you're in the USA and dvds aren't passe to you yet, you should probably buy this or something, because Nozomi is an awesome company -- they recently licensed Space Adventure Cobra TV for heaven's sake!

In the future, I'd love to see an episode by episode community watch of this (my favorite types of posts to read while lurking anime-gaf). Make it so!
 

CorvoSol

Member
kayos is that you

Now Kayos has good taste.

Hes like an inferior version of zecks marquise.

Well, yeah, but Zechs is the villain.

Hahahahahhahahahhahahha..........That's a good one.

You hurt me.

Best Gundam character is Treize Kushrenada. And he's in Wing. SEED' only interesting point is pink zakus for girls.

Treize can be the best character, but he wasn't the hero. Mu is the best hero.

Really? Wing as a show is mostly intolerable. Even whiny original Amuro is better than what wing has. Give me old Amuro any day as a hero. As a character in general, though, you cannot beat Char. You just can't.

Wing gave us the Wing Zero Custom. For that alone it's all worth it. Also Zechs, whose English voice was AMAZING as a kid.

Why are you all talking about awful Gundam series?

Watch Unicorn.

I'm not that far into UC yet, and a Unicorn Gundam has always seemed silly to me.

Can't we all agree that Mu was the best SEED character, though? He's awesome.

Rinne No Lagrange 2

If I hadn't watched Gurren Lagann, this would've been the weirdest pep-talk I'd ever seen.
 

Narag

Member
Bakumatsu Gijinden Roman 7

Hot damn, I've been waiting for an episode like this. Light on the comedy, heavy on the drama. I'm glad this turned into something decent.
 

wonzo

Banned
Bakumatsu Gijinden Roman 7

Hot damn, I've been waiting for an episode like this. Light on the comedy, heavy on the drama. I'm glad this turned into something decent.
You forget the most shocking revelation of all,
THE DOG HAS TEETH!
 
show how freaking powerful and awesome everyone became in the two years they were away from the Sunny. Hell, if it wasn't for those ridiculous pills, Luffy would've killed Hody at least ten times over, and most of the time he was even handicapped by the water. They even fit all the coup de grâces into a single episode!

Even with the pills, Luffy probably could have beaten Hody before the timeskip. The anime actually made the guy injure Luffy more, whereas in the manga he took virtually no damage and the tiny bit of struggling was due to the area, which was a MUCH bigger threat than Hody.
 

Instro

Member
I'd recommend this show to fans of shoujo, utena, romance, historical fiction, revolutionary France aficionados, mismatched gender role enthusiasts, old school anime fans, and simply those that like a good drama. If you're in the USA and dvds aren't passe to you yet, you should probably buy this or something, because Nozomi is an awesome company -- they recently licensed Space Adventure Cobra TV for heaven's sake!

In the future, I'd love to see an episode by episode community watch of this (my favorite types of posts to read while lurking anime-gaf). Make it so!

I think that already happened some time ago, or maybe not. I know a lot of people have seen it though. You can't go wrong with Dezaki really. I'm actually watching his last work, The Snow Queen, right now. Very strange show, I've been meaning to post some impressions but I've been too lazy. Perhaps when I get to the halfway mark.
 
Kids on the Slope 3

Easily shows why I greatly dislike these types of romances. Who in the world would pen such obnoxiously clueless female characters. She really couldnt tell that the bumbling sentaro was after her heart and not Kaoru and worst yet for Richan twice what a useless set of tears over an onigiri.
hes playing when will my prince come on the piano and she says are you the prince for the other girl...what even? Whyyyy

Sentaro/Kaoru house scenes, rooftop escape, and sentimental jazz session were amazing as usual. Hope it focuses on them more and less on the annoying characters.
 

Branduil

Member
Superflat Monogram


Yet another Hosoda work with imagery that will be familiar to anyone who has watched Summer Wars. This short is essentially just an advertisement for Louis Vuitton, but not many commercials have been created as a music video collaboration between Mamoru Hosoda and superflat artist Takashi Murakami. In any case, it's only five minutes, so there's not really any good reason not to watch it.
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
I'm surprised you haven't seen Superflat Monogram until now.

I wonder what the LV guys thought when they first saw it.

"Okay... so a girl is meeting her friends outside one of our stores, and... Wait, what? Is that a panda? Omg it ate her. What the flying fuck?"
 

AfroLuffy

Member
I think that already happened some time ago, or maybe not. I know a lot of people have seen it though. You can't go wrong with Dezaki really. I'm actually watching his last work, The Snow Queen, right now. Very strange show, I've been meaning to post some impressions but I've been too lazy. Perhaps when I get to the halfway mark.

Yep. I will have to check out The Snow Queen -- post those impressions! Thus far, I've seen about twenty episodes each of both aim for the ace and ashita no joe; plus all the golgo, black jack, lupin, and cobra stuff; and the Ryoko Ikeda works. Didn't he do a Moby Dick in space show? I definitely need to see that, sounds suitably epic and suited for his talents. Oh, I also have Nobody's Boy, Remi, but jeeze those first episodes were depressing..
 

Narag

Member
Yep. I will have to check out The Snow Queen -- post those impressions! Thus far, I've seen about twenty episodes each of both aim for the ace and ashita no joe; plus all the golgo, black jack, lupin, and cobra stuff; and the Ryoko Ikeda works. Didn't he do a Moby Dick in space show? I definitely need to see that, sounds suitably epic and suited for his talents. Oh, I also have Nobody's Boy, Remi, but jeeze those first episodes were depressing..

Hakugei
 

Brazil

Living in the shadow of Amaz
One Piece 582

Uh, holy shit.
That Aokiji x Akainu fight must've been quite the event.

Even with the pills, Luffy probably could have beaten Hody before the timeskip. The anime actually made the guy injure Luffy more, whereas in the manga he took virtually no damage and the tiny bit of struggling was due to the area, which was a MUCH bigger threat than Hody.

That's surprising. It did feel weird for him to take a couple of those attacks.
 

Instro

Member
What is mahou tsukai? Arent there several shows with this in the title?

I love animegaf, it's so bad.

Yep. I will have to check out The Snow Queen -- post those impressions! Thus far, I've seen about twenty episodes each of both aim for the ace and ashita no joe; plus all the golgo, black jack, lupin, and cobra stuff; and the Ryoko Ikeda works. Didn't he do a Moby Dick in space show? I definitely need to see that, sounds suitably epic and suited for his talents. Oh, I also have Nobody's Boy, Remi, but jeeze those first episodes were depressing..

Hakugei is the Moby Dick show, its pretty awesome. I posted about it quite a bit last year when I watched it. As is Takarajima, his Treasure Island adaption.
 

789shadow

Banned
So gentlemen.

I want to start really watching some anime.

But there's like, a fucking million billion trillion shows and ways to watch them.

I don't even know where to start.
 

789shadow

Banned
Well, what have you seen and what have you liked?
Not much. Not much at all. The only show I can actually think of having watched from beginning to end is FMA: Brotherhood. Obviously, I'd like to branch out and diversify a little.

I guess I can state one show I'm watching in club right now that I really like. Humanity Has Declined/Mankind Has Fallen.
 
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