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Apparently Bethesda ripped off a New Vegas mod for a Far Habor Quest in Fallout 4
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That case doesn't seem to have been like it has often been characterised
http://fanlore.org/wiki/Marion_Zimmer_Bradley_Fanfiction_Controversy
His Majesty
Banned
pleasantly surprised that at least one person at Bethesda has played F:NV though
This is 100℅ incorrect.
ZombieSupaStar
Member
Can we work Interplay, Black Isle, and Herve Caen into the ball analogy along with the Modder, Obsidian, and Bethesda?
lightskintwin
Banned
Yeah, I'm going about it from a legal perspective, but it should be common knowledge for anybody who creates anything unauthorized using copyrighted material.
Bethesda embraces mods because they see the financial benefit it has in extending the shelf life of their games.
Now from a PR perspective, could it be bad if this gets major coverage? Possibly, and it'll be up to them whether to respond or not, however it still wouldn't change the legality of this because paying and giving credit to a modder can be a very slippery slope and bad precedent; Simply because it could lead to more modders in the future, who believe their stories have been "stolen" by the loosest of story beats and connections.
Please give an example proving it.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
I mean, half of the new features in New Vegas were ripped mods from Fallout 3. No one cried foul then.
But yes, mod makers should be given some due credit in cases such as these.
Bethesda has always embraced the modding community fully. For every uproar like this or paid mods, there are hundreds of cases of them supporting the mod community.
Hell there are multiple "Remasters/
/Remakes" of Morrowind that do not get CAD letters. Do you see that from any other studio?
But yes, mod makers should be given some due credit in cases such as these.
Bethesda has always embraced the modding community fully. For every uproar like this or paid mods, there are hundreds of cases of them supporting the mod community.
Hell there are multiple "Remasters/
/Remakes" of Morrowind that do not get CAD letters. Do you see that from any other studio?
I miss when companies hired modders to expand on their ideas into fully fleshed games. I get that Bethesda supports the modding scene and turned some popular mods into full, build in, features in Fallout 4, but there is something more off putting when it's a story. I guess it's how much blatant the lack of effort is, coupled with Bethesda's inability to write taken to the next level?
Nope nope nope. Its more like this: first guy makes a ball. Other say that its a really neat ball and is inspired to make a smaller ball of his own that is conpletely different. The first one now shouts : THE SMALL BALL IS ALSO MINE NOW!
The first guy is a fuckwit
I think we should stop using the ball argument.
chaobreaker
Member
I'm not sure of the point of the side by side picture comparisons. Aren't most Fallout vaults built with a very set design?
Welp, Pete Hines just stepped in it. They could have chosen to make it right, give the guy a chance to do an official mod, hire him, compensate him, embrace it. Instead, immediate denial.
Guess folks at Bethesda are nervous too.
lightskintwin
Banned
If what you're saying is true and the second ball is merely "inspired" and "completely different", then why can't the second guy sell it, but has to give it away free?
Could it be your analogy is pretty off?
His Majesty
Banned
Codex should sue and fight it out with Bethesda in court. I'd pay to see that.
They'd lose. Tell you that right now.
family_guy
Member
Is it bad that I can't tell which is New Vegas and which is Fallout 4 from the graphics?
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
lol fighting a legal battle against zenimax
Shocking. Far too many coincidences....
This. Welcome to the real world, kids.
The 18th Letter
Banned
What I don't get about people defending Bethesda is you paid what, $50 for a season pass so one would assume you would get more than a remastered mod as part of that content. yet people are ok with paying for something they could be playing for free
I don't care about the legal aspect, it has no bearing on my criticism. Looking it as a purely creative endeavour it is scummy.
Dick Justice
Banned
Pete Hines is their PR guy, is he not?
Yup. A lot of people defending this shit seem to just be looking at it through purely technical terms. In essence, it's a shitty thing to rip off a mod without giving the guy any credit whatsoever.
Zombie James
Banned
After Skyrim PS3 and the "solid 30fps" lies before Fallout 4 came out, I don't believe a word Pete Hines says. He's a professional bullshitter.
No one actually thinks the modder should start a fight with Zenimax's legal counsel, not even the modder himself.
What is lame however is Bethesda essentially copied an amateur's work and charged $20 for it.
lightskintwin
Banned
One could argue the lack of creativity in writing story extensions in another company's copyrighted universe using their copyrighted assets. Essentially Fan Fiction.
Also Bethesda's VP.
Yup.
Sorry Pete, but you've had other past offences that make it impossible to take your word, ever.
Yeah, kids. Forget the world where game creators aspire to originality. In the real world, no matter how much love you pour into your RPG, the guys who make formulaic giant sandbox murder simulators and populate it with quests "borrowed" from mods will get all the money.
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
Corporate apologists are in every thread like this on GAF so don't be surprised by it.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
So by essentially copied, do you mean essentially not copied? Because essentially copied means they ripped the modder's original assets and/or dialogue and passed it off as their own, when that doesn't appear to be the case at all.
The modder just wants people to play Autumn leaves. He acknowledges it isn't the same thing.
This is what probably happened. Inspiration, not copying.
Yes all the assets are belong to Bethesda but it's not about that. It's about stealing the whole idea, the story. For a huge ass company like Bethesda to stole an idea of a small modder is unacceptable.
Also I can't believe people are saying that the modder should be proud of this whole thing. Would you be proud, if someone steal your own project and make money out of it without giving you any kind of credit?
Bethesda charges money for the DLC and the game. You would expect the people developing the game and being paid for it to devise original content instead of copying a mod from one of their other game that someone made for free and did not even get credited for it.
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
If this was a free update where Bethesda credited the modder I don't think people would be so irked by this.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Why do people keep saying that they stole from the modder when the modder himself says " entirely different themes, different writing, different plot, different music (!) different voice acting (!!)".
BibiMaghoo
Member
To rip it off is bad. To rip it off and sell it as DLC for the subsequent game in the franchise is disgusting. Shocked this could happen, but not surprised they will never admit to it.
Ah yes, I conpletely forgot the part where the modder is selling the mod for money.
You're right, because the Bethesda staff that worked on this had the foresight to not make a 1:1 copy and the modder doesn't want to start a public fight with Zenimax, everyone should just forget about it.
mysteriousmage09
Member
Uh huh, sure Pete. So fucking scummy of Bethesda.