He means that the core creative team -- paid professionals -- taking a little too much inspiration from a mod instead of creating something more original is not a good look, not that the quality is lacking.
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Apparently Bethesda ripped off a New Vegas mod for a Far Habor Quest in Fallout 4
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He means that the core creative team -- paid professionals -- taking a little too much inspiration from a mod instead of creating something more original is not a good look, not that the quality is lacking.
Hard to say. It's a mod, so options may be quite limited for legal recourse.
Might not be strictly illegal, but it's pretty scrummy. Then again, the legality is something that should be looked at.
Also, regarding the EULA, no matter what it says, if the agreement says something that does not jive with the law, it isn't applicable. At least in Sweden, no matter what EULA you sign, if the content, or parts of it say something that the law disagrees with, it cannot be upheld.
Also, technically, you have to be of a certain age to be able to actually accept an EULA, so it all might be null and void if the creator is too young.
Also, regarding the EULA, no matter what it says, if the agreement says something that does not jive with the law, it isn't applicable. At least in Sweden, no matter what EULA you sign, if the content, or parts of it say something that the law disagrees with, it cannot be upheld.
Also, technically, you have to be of a certain age to be able to actually accept an EULA, so it all might be null and void if the creator is too young.
yanipheonu
Member
Pretty lame. Makes me want to play New Vegas and Autumn Leaves though. Was meaning to play new Vegas sometime anyways.
Heckler456
Banned
Let's not kid ourselves. The only way this news is being used is as fodder to fuel some people's seemingly straight up hatred of Bethesda.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
Wait, people liked that quest?
orthodoxy1095
Banned
I'm not really sure what your problem is. It wouldn't have cost Bethesda anything to contact the modder or credit him in the game.
Bethesda and Todd Howard were trash before this incident and will continue to be trash after.
lightskintwin
Banned
Good ideas come from everywhere. How many people played the mod to how many people played this quest in Fallout 4? To those millions of other players, it's an original story.
I was (trying to) being scarcastic.
ShockingAlberto
Member
This is a weird ideological position.
AlphaDragoon
Member
I'm sure they have the something in the ToS for Creation Kit/GECK/whatever FO4's mod editor will be called to make what they did nice and legal.
But in terms of creativity, that's a scumbag move. At least give the guy you ripped off his proper credit before you do it. Let everyone know, "hey we liked this guy's mod so much we're making a FO4 quest based on it, check out his work" and that would have went over way better.
But in terms of creativity, that's a scumbag move. At least give the guy you ripped off his proper credit before you do it. Let everyone know, "hey we liked this guy's mod so much we're making a FO4 quest based on it, check out his work" and that would have went over way better.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Wtf does that even mean.
Doesn't seem like it from the author's post.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
Alright, I was thinking that cause that quest....hoo boy.
Though I needed to know. Cause if that quest was some revered quest everybody loves it might have been time for me to finally leave this planet.
It is the quest that gives you the most user choice in F4. It has that going for it.
What you're expressing here is that plagarism is ok if nobody finds out about it. Now that people have, has it become not ok?
MMaRsu
Banned
Riiight.. Gaf is not a hivemind and neither are people's feelings about Bethesda. This isnt NMA.
Do you agree this is a scummy thing to do or not?
AlphaDragoon
Member
Guess we know why it has so much choice now for an FO4 quest...because they ripped off a New Vegas mod.
MMaRsu
Banned
Is that how plagiarism works?
lightskintwin
Banned
They can, they'll lose
Here's a famous case with a clear decision for legal precedence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anderson_v._Stallone
No. I should clarify, I'm talking about "A kid in the Fridge".
I'd be pretty down on anybody that came up with that concept.
Believe it or not i only stumbled upon that damn fridge a couple of days ago. After over 400 hours of playtime. For some reason that part of the map is almost unexplored in my game.
I think they went for a wacky kind of quest. But it's terrible.
Except the author of the mod is European and there EULAs mean absolutely nothing legally.
His authorship and copyright of his story are still owned in full by him. Bethesda is doing something blatantly illegal here.
It's all well and good that the story is being appreciated by more people, but that more players have experienced it in Fallout 4 than New Vegas doesn't make Bethesda's Far Harbor an original story. Fact is dictated by truth, not the most common perspective.
Yeah, at least in Europe, the EULA is not above the law.
so its ok to steal if the source is relatively unknown then.
CertifiedFP
Member
It´s incredible how the once legendary Fallout has fallen. Sadly, the once much respected Bethesda will probably get away with this.and Fallout 5 will eventually sell like hotcakes anyway
I find it hilarious how Fallout 1 and 2 have retroactively become more high-brow then they really are. Fallout 1 is Babby's First CRPG and Fallout 2 only sold 100k before Fallout 3 came out and people actually heard of the series.
You know what Legendary is? Baldur's Gate, by the same publisher, which sold only about 20 times as much as Fallout 2 in the same year.
Bethesda took a massive gamble buying the Fallout IP to begin with. TESArena and Daggerfall sold better than Fallout 1 or 2 ever did.
lightskintwin
Banned
The point is a copyright holder cannot plagiarize or steal from somebody who creates something unauthorized and unsolicited using their copyrighted materials such as assets and characters.
This is no time for facts.
Spinning an obscure franchise into a juggernaut of sales and scores is a failure, accept it.
AHA-Lambda
Member
Wow, this is really fucking scummy shit, really scummy.
I didn't think Bethesda would stoop this low.
I didn't think Bethesda would stoop this low.
Tye The Czar
Member
It's a new story with new characters in a new location. Can you apply the reason why Anderson lost his case to this incident? I don't think you can. If the script of this mod could stand on its own without violating copyright then this is different.
lightskintwin
Banned
The Russian Character was a new character in the Rocky franchise.
These new characters still exist in a copyrighted Fallout universe. The assets used to create them are copyrighted. The mod itself is a derivative work of copyrighted material.
Like i can't create a new superhero with their own new story and insert them in the Marvel universe, and then get upset if Marvel creates the exact same thing and doesn't credit me.
Backlogger
Member
Weird! I remember playing through that quest and thinking how out of place it felt from the rest of the game in particular the Far Harbor DLC itself. Out of place in a good way.
The 18th Letter
Banned
remastered mods, what a time to be alive
ThatOneGuy831
Banned
Wow... This is pretty shitty of Bethesda to do this and not give any credit to the guy. That's the big thing about this. I would recommend anyone who has the PC version of New Vegas to give the mod a shot, it's really well made and seems like a quest that Obsidian would've put into the game themselves with some REALLY solid voice acting!!
Dick Justice
Banned
So people should only care about Bethesda ripping off a modder's ideas if it's a well-known mod? Dumb-fuck logic right there.
-tetsuo-
Unlimited Capacity
Do you not know what salty or plagiarism means?
ZombieSupaStar
Member
Hell Fallout 4s biggest feature is the Real Time Settler, Fallout 3 mod.
Turin Turambar
Member
Quality <> popularity.
Abilidebob
Member
The BIGGEST current genre in the world came from mods. If at the time of Aeon of Strife and DotA Blizzard had the same EULA as Bethesda has now, I honestly doubt League of Legends and DOTA 2 would exist, at least not the same way as they do now, and surely not as big.
Doing that without attribution is just sad.
Doing that without attribution is just sad.
His Majesty
Banned
I'm okay with this if it will lead to Bethesda incorporating elements from those mods in their game such as actual role-playing options, good writing and quality worldbuilding.
it won't