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CNN/ORC Iowa: Sanders 51%, Clinton 43%; Trump 37%, Cruz 26%
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So you'd be okay with a racist, homophobic, misogynistic anti-establishment president?
Ziltoidia 9
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PoliticalGaf is really weird when it comes to sanders and Hillary. I don't understand how dismissive some are towards sanders or anything that could be seen as negative FOR Hillary.
And, this willful ignorance that is being displayed about Sanders talking about planned parenthood reminds me of when Obama had his line of "you didn't built that" turned around, contorted and spit out by Foxnews for weeks.
Even mentioning the emails bit gets you shot at. I cant give two shits about her emails, but the right does, and they are going to push the shit out of them to the point of turning off independents. If it was any other year, I would be really concerned about the primary, but since its against the likes of Trump or Cruz, I think she might be OK if that's the case.
And, this willful ignorance that is being displayed about Sanders talking about planned parenthood reminds me of when Obama had his line of "you didn't built that" turned around, contorted and spit out by Foxnews for weeks.
Even mentioning the emails bit gets you shot at. I cant give two shits about her emails, but the right does, and they are going to push the shit out of them to the point of turning off independents. If it was any other year, I would be really concerned about the primary, but since its against the likes of Trump or Cruz, I think she might be OK if that's the case.
At least that's different dang it! #trumpforpres
In what ways do you expect a Trump presidency to be beneficial? Do you expect Donald Trump to actually try to push campaign finance reform or break the two party system or something?
Just because someone declares themselves "anti-establishment" doesn't mean they're good. It's their policies that makes them worth voting for.
legacyzero
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eBay Huckster
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so basically, you only vote for Trump as a #BernWard patient if you care about killing superpacs/the TPP to the exclusion of literally every other issue, or if you just don't give a shit about policy and want the nebulous "establishment" to eat a dick, or if you think brown people and women have it too good
Majority of independents stopped caring about the email thing last year.
Bernie's "I'm sick of hearing about your damn emails" and the 11 hour Benghazi hearing only accelerated that.
Based on some of his other posts I think he might be.
diablos991
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I expect any anti-establishment President to actually fight for what they believe and not give into the pressures of controlling interests.
Like I said I agree and disagree with aspects of both Bernie and Trump.
What I do like is they would each stand their ground and to me that means actual meaningful change.
Initially neither Bernie or Sanders would be able to get anything through the establishment controlled congress and senate. After some time of that will be pressure to change to anti-establishment from the top and the electorate.
One step at a time towards a goal that is very important to me.
Ziltoidia 9
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The Right is probably saving their best shots for the primary, in my opinion. It will get horrible. There will be tons of misinformation.
Oh, so this is trolling. Carry on then.
The GOP is incapable of saving their ammo, they have Clinton tourettes. The second they think they have something they fire it off, they can't help themselves.
Gordon Shumway
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Meanwhile, Bernie's numbers continue to improve the more exposure he gets.
Clinton is no longer the safer choice. She's damaged goods, and a lot of you people are in denial about it.
eBay Huckster
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the right has shown a fundamental incapability to actually save their best shots over the last two election cycles, like how they blew their entire wad re: Wright and Ayers et al before we were even halfway through 2008
Tesseract
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no, that's opinion
It's in Boy Who Cried Wolf territory now. Most Democrats and Independents are sick of the story.
kittenbreath
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Although I'm not a huge fan of Bernie, I can say this about him: he opposes the political establishment because he sincerely believes that they're an unrepresentative elite unfairly dominating US politics at the expense of the public welfare.
Donald Trump opposes the establishment because they are an obstacle to him gaining power.
And I'm assuming that you oppose the establishment because you lack the intellectual curiosity to develop a coherent belief system and simply respond to the angriest voices in the room.
Did you not see the bold? If he's being serious then that's one hell of a typo.
fixed.
diablos991
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I don't see why unique opinions formed independently are such a hard thing for some in this thread to grasp.
I feel no matter how much I explain my stance/opinion people here will be as dismissive as ever and wash it off as trolling.
And the personal attacks.
The angriest voices in this room are those like yourself.
I feel no matter how much I explain my stance/opinion people here will be as dismissive as ever and wash it off as trolling.
And the personal attacks.
The angriest voices in this room are those like yourself.
Tesseract
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hey, what's that gotta do with me
alf, why u do diz
(i chuckled)
*edit* nm, lol
Abinash117
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You probably should.
You realize that both Berine and Trump as the potential chance to have extremely low allies in congress to the point were they can't get anything done ? Also have a chance to have a 2014 or 2006 midterms were it is a guarantee that they absolutely won't change anything and the establishment. Do you even know the powers the President has and what it would take to change/get rid of the establishment ?
A Link to the Past
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1. Yeah, nothing better than a president who would do horrible things to marginalized groups of people and not balk at political pushback!
2. "Bernie or Sanders"
How about you explain why you're okay with Trump's horrid, discriminatory views he's taken against multiple groups.
Gordon Shumway
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I don't know WHY that link popped up lol..I was like "WTF??"
Tesseract
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pretty sure it's a typo
That's not a poll on the email scandal. Unless you think Clinton's favorability is defined by that issue alone.
America tired of Clinton email story.
79% Democrats, 56% of Independents.
And keep in mind that was before the 11 hour Congressional hearing.
Orbis Tabula
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That's good for Bernie, but I doubt it will mean much. As others have said, Iowa, New Hampshire, and Vermont are his three best states. In addition, the Iowa caucus structure means those votes might not translate into very many delegates. However, I do love Ol' Bernie so fingers crossed that he does well anyway.
An opinion being "unique" and "independently formed" doesn't do anything to protect it from being bad. Your opinion is most definitely unique, but it still makes no sense.
I should be more specific - Middle East politics. Both are anti-interventionists and won't fund anti-government movements in the region. Bernie believes in some magical coalition among Arabs in the sectarian crisis lighting up Iraq et al whereas Trump believes in coalition with Russia in bombing ISIS and propping up Assad. Bernie needs to come to terms with reality on this one.
I feel like Trump's highly improvising with his foreign economic politics in his speeches. Definitely wants U.S. to start making more money out off trade and security but if he can do that without ruining relations remains to be seen.
Testicular Sound Express
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Uh maybe because Donald Trump is a vile mysoginistic, racist?
NullPointer
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vicissitudes
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Not sure how you could like both equally. They're pretty different on a lot of issues. I'd definitely prefer Bernie to win the Presidency.
Trump's my #2 choice though.
eBay Huckster
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ah. yeah, in that case they're very much similar, but that's also not exactly what I'd limit my specification of foreign policy to
diablos991
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If it were Trump V Sanders I would vote Sanders as things stand today.
Trump is my #2 as well.
Never said I liked them both 50/50. Just that I think they are the best each respective party has to offer when it comes to alignment with the issues I feel are most important.
Maybe a crazy dream world where Sanders chooses Trump as VP?
Crimson_Gold
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They seem to appeal to a similar demographic. People seem surprised to see statements like the one he made, but that demographic wins/or is fine if either one of them wins.
vicissitudes
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Okay that makes perfect sense to me.
I don't think Sanders and Trump would get along as President-VP otherwise I'd be all over that ticket.
Oh really.
A Link to the Past
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Ooh, how exciting So our VP would be someone who wants to oppress marginalized people.
Seriously, you need to realize something.
You can't support Trump if you don't also support his horrid views as well. That you hold Trump in such high esteem tells me that these groups being harmed is acceptable to you as long as an anti-establishment president is the one harming them.
diablos991
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People are only surprised to hear my opinion on this forum.
My friends, family, and colleagues can grasp where I am coming from. It has sparked many fantastic conversations where I get to learn more about their political ideas and they can learn more about mine.
He just has to hope that the other 48 states are also chock-full of white people.
Led_Zeppelin
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GAF is a pretty liberal forum. Here Trump is nothing short of the devil.
eBay Huckster
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not as much as i want to see hannity suffer a rage-induced aneurysm on live TV after hillary crosses the 270 mark
A Link to the Past
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So you're just not even explaining your position on his bigoted viewpoints.
If you're going to post the same pictures for the thousandth time, we can also remind you why these numbers are sort of useless before the general and the favorability issue on the Republican side and why Bernie's favorability numbers are tenuous due to a lack of exposure to the wider electorate.
But go ahead, keep posting the same damn thing with zero context!
NullPointer
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I don't fully understand the American system, so I have a question.
If Bernie wins the presidency, can republicans block absolutely everything he tries to change, by the fact they control the house of representatives and the senate?
If Bernie wins the presidency, can republicans block absolutely everything he tries to change, by the fact they control the house of representatives and the senate?
In that event, I'd want two TVs in my living room on Inauguration Day: one showing the parade and the swearing-in, and one following O'Reilly to the airport.
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