But otherwise, Kalor dying meant that we would now know that a mimic is in play. Is it worth giving that up just to kill ordinary Hope? Seems like that trade of would be worth more if it was to save Despair.
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Danganronpa Mafia |OT| Grin and Bear It
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Dammit Corn!
So you're the ninja after all!
Oh yeah, there was something else I wanted to bring up about Sawneeks. I noticed that she kept bringing up the ninja theory, she did this even after Ty4on's post here. At this point I'm fairly certain there is no ninja, because we have a mimic. But it's interesting how she brings up that theory (to lead us off track?)
Prioritizing power roles. That's what I'd do. If we buy your theory that they targeted Pau/Ty the last two days, they gave up and AbsolutBro was next in line.
Royal_Flush
Member
*sigh* Look, I'm not asking for N1,2,3 or 5. I guess there is some kind of algorithm or randomness to the choice of the room and you can't reconstruct this by just one datapoint
CornBurrito
Member
Sawneeks claims:
Night 1: CzarTim, SalvaPot, and Crab
Night 3: *redacted* - (later said to be Kalor)
What strikes me as odd is why did she not see "Kalor" on N1? Why didn't anybody see Kalor on N1 actually?
If the mimic needs to spend a night stealing someone's identity, I imagine they have to go to that person's room to do it. So Sawneeks should have seen whoever stole the identity on N1. But she didn't.
Either the mimic did not need to go to Kalor's room on N1 to impersonate him, or Sawneeks is the mimic.
I actually can see the possibility that the mimic doesn't need to go to a room to impersonate. Rather the mimic might have this role:
On each night you may PM me with one of these two commands:
PM <player name> and your player name will appear as that player's if seen during the Night Phase.
PM <player name> to kill that player. Or a location to kill all players at that location.
Night 1: CzarTim, SalvaPot, and Crab
Night 3: *redacted* - (later said to be Kalor)
What strikes me as odd is why did she not see "Kalor" on N1? Why didn't anybody see Kalor on N1 actually?
If the mimic needs to spend a night stealing someone's identity, I imagine they have to go to that person's room to do it. So Sawneeks should have seen whoever stole the identity on N1. But she didn't.
Either the mimic did not need to go to Kalor's room on N1 to impersonate him, or Sawneeks is the mimic.
I actually can see the possibility that the mimic doesn't need to go to a room to impersonate. Rather the mimic might have this role:
On each night you may PM me with one of these two commands:
PM <player name> and your player name will appear as that player's if seen during the Night Phase.
PM <player name> to kill that player. Or a location to kill all players at that location.
sandalphon
Member
...How do you know that they go to different rooms every night? Maybe they just go to the same one?
If Despair have indeed been targeting them then they presumably have more than one data point
Thanks.
Ok. I am in favor of clearing TB, Zipped, and Gosh for now. Assuming AbsolutBro did his job.
CornBurrito
Member
Why not Sawneeks though? AB was more at risk than Sawneeks of being killed today by lynching. He's the one who started the bandwagon against Kalor.
But part of me worries. I feel like there's too much suspicious stuff about Sawneeks. Like how she wasn't targeted. She's already said she can't wander on even nights. She'd have been in her room and without her role. She was a sitting duck. Yet they went after AB. Who was also probably maybe going to be lynched today anyway had he survived the night. Or how nobody can verify whether she was actually ever seen on N3.
Because CzarTim was the killer N1?
Royal_Flush
Member
I was assuming because of Ty4on's map.
CornBurrito
Member
Hrrmm... You're actually right about that. I can't argue with it.
Christina Mackenzie
Member
This would be a good point, but this was an "odd" night
To be fair, I would have been very suspicious of AB for the rest of the game and thinking he was trying to pull another con on us ala CzarTim.
How about you list the possibilities and I'll decide if my information is actually useful for Hope?
CornBurrito
Member
Well yes, but the question is why. The mimic I think needed to spend N1 to get their disguise on. The question is, did they need to go to Kalor's room to do it? Or just simply send a PM?
I actually feel like the latter is more likely. Which means I need to drop my current suspicions against Sawneeks. I'm tunneling too much.
CornBurrito
Member
Oh derp... it was N5 not N4 last night.
And Pau saw "Kalor". But no Sawneeks again?
I know I literally just said I was tunneling and needed to drop the subject, but that's even more suspicious. But can literally anybody verify whether Sawneeks ever actually stepped out of her room on any night besides N1?
Actually...something about this list is bothering me. I understand investigating the first three, but why Goshu on N4? I'll go through AB's D4 posts to understand better. I personally thought that Goshu was Hope (especially after his claim, and the reason he didn't clear up the misunderstanding from D1, and his general posting style), and many others did too. But maybe AB decided to investigate him because he was on no-one's radar.
Royal_Flush
Member
Ok, I guess I won't get an answer now. Just note, *Splinter, you either just have saved our Lovers or a member of Despair. I really don't want to elaborate in case you are right.
I'm also looking forward to what Sawneeks has to say
I'm also looking forward to what Sawneeks has to say
lol, I was going to say...you already know the answer to this question. I didn't catch the part about her moving only on certain nights. I'm going to go out on a limb here...it's time for Sawneeks to explain what her role does, as well as disclose everyone that she has seen. Pau/Ty reveal who they have seen after Sawneeks. It's Day 6. We're hurting ourselves by withholding this information from most of the group.
Christina Mackenzie
Member
Royal_Flush made a chart.
I'm not interested in your role unless you are Despair. Then please roleclaim.
I don't have fancy maps, but here is my table with all movements. Top row (before the free row) indicates the target room. "UP" means Unknown Person
sandalphon
Member
This is very valid. As my comment to Kalor prior to the Day ending on Day 4, no one should be placed above suspicion. I am very glad that Kalor ended up voting for me because this is how Hope should play and it actually lessened by suspicion on him. Had he survived, he would have dropped out of my suspicion list. I am also glad that AbsolutBro decided to continue to investigate me.
Bear in mind that Kalor had consistently been in my radar due to his middle of the road stances. I believe this is a style that Despair would adopt. I encouraged Kalor twice to adopt a bolder approach and he did so. I would like to acknowledge and appreciate this.
Should there be any concerns about my alignment, I am willing to respond accordingly and in forthright manners, so that Hope may determine better as a unity of any one player's stance (in this case, mine). We should not shy away from applying pressure to generate leads.
Swamped, following your line of thoughts, is there anything in particular other than the fact that I have been above suspicion that you would like me to address? I can only say that, from my perspectives, I have attempted to be as helpful as I can be to Hope, but self-perception is ordinarily full with bias so if there has been any post or vote that you would like me to clarify, please indicate the issues to me.
Some evidence for *Splinter being the Mimic if the following conditions are true:
a) Mimic did not need to go to Kalor's room N1 to get the disguise.
b) Mimic needs to leave from their own room every night.
Then:
1) N2: *Splinter's room is the only starting room where I would have seen "Kalor" and where the Mimic could have reached SalvaPot. Sawneeks wasn't out that night so she could not verify.
2) N3: *Splinter (as "Kalor") attempted to kill Sawneeks but failed. Sawneeks saw "Kalor" but it's not super suspicious because she'll see him every time he moves.
3) N4: *Splinter (as "Kalor") attempted to kill Ty4on or me by targeting one of our rooms, the empty room, or one of the right facilities.
a) Mimic did not need to go to Kalor's room N1 to get the disguise.
b) Mimic needs to leave from their own room every night.
Then:
1) N2: *Splinter's room is the only starting room where I would have seen "Kalor" and where the Mimic could have reached SalvaPot. Sawneeks wasn't out that night so she could not verify.
2) N3: *Splinter (as "Kalor") attempted to kill Sawneeks but failed. Sawneeks saw "Kalor" but it's not super suspicious because she'll see him every time he moves.
3) N4: *Splinter (as "Kalor") attempted to kill Ty4on or me by targeting one of our rooms, the empty room, or one of the right facilities.
Royal_Flush
Member
Reading the old pages for hints and how the hell did I forget this!?
Slip up so that Despair can finally kill us?
I don't know if there's anything besides our deaths that will convince people that we're Hope. If one of us dies and flips a certain way, there are still people who think we don't have the same alignment. Hope wasting two days would suck. Although I do understand the suspicion.
I honestly think we're gonna be killed soon enough. And it might be easier to Hope to not tunnel on other Hope members once all the Hope rulebreakers are done with.
Going along this line, what would AB do if he found Makai's partner? Would he try to soft confirm Makai's claim?
Also why didn't he investigate Makai? ;-;
Thanks, definitely! You and Flushy are players I want to re-read today.
One thing that occurred to me is that AB may have figured something out regarding one of the students he investigated but decided not to vote for them since that vote wouldn't go anywhere (Goshu would theoretically fit this scenario since he only had one vote on him).
I was about to say that I trusted TB for this reason, because even though he had a lot of suspicion on him, AB never voted for him. BUT looking through the vote sheet, it seems like only 2 people voted for TB D5, and one of them withdrew (Zipped). So maybe that was all in my head.
AB has never voted for Zipped after his investigation, even though he had quite a few votes on him D5. This furthers my belief that Zipped is Hope.
Interesting...
Good find!
He doesn't have something similar for Zipped though? Maybe my theory was wrong then.
Even more than that, he probably saved Zipped by outing Kalor when he did.
Do I owe Zipped an apology?
I'm sorry you're so Despair-y
Correct, and Vivi = Royal_Flush btw
Thanks.
This was when Zipped was about to get lynched D5. Yep, he's hope alright.
Here's Zipped. This was D5 BTW.
Ninja
To be fair though AB's reveal of Kalor saved Zipped and is proof in itself for me that AB got a role that looked a lot like Hope from Zipped.
CornBurrito
Member
Christina Mackenzie
Member
You can scratch TL21xx off the list.
Different colour on Corn/Kitty?
Oh, right.
Is it? I'm colorblind. There's two dark greys next to each other in the palette and they look identical to me.
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
Even more than that, he probably saved Zipped by outing Kalor when he did.
Do I owe Zipped an apology?
I'm sorry you're so Despair-y
My wishy washy attitude towards Zipped is vindicated!
Hey Makai, can you refresh us on your role?