Joe Shlabotnik
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It's cool I generally perform my civic duties based on video game forum reactions too
This is scary stuff and makes no sense.
I would love Sanders to win, but Hillary is miles better than any of the republican candidates,
He has an extremely good chance of winning. People have fucked up logic about everything. And the system isn't really good at handling things like the "ironic vote"
ESPECIALLY since liberals are generally less likely to vote anyway
So vote for trump?
You would risk your country's future for this
to be honest maybe it should be.
Godammit, wrote it wrong. This is what all the Trump threads does to me.
superdeluxe
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Not surprised with Bernie running away with NH. Pretty like minded people from both Vermont and NH. If there were 2 states that were lock solid to Bernie, it was those two.
So many people that are in the Trump camp would probably not be opposed to Bernie if they actually knew what he was for. All they hear is higher taxes so they think he's personally coming to their house to steal their cash. If Clinton gets in office I don't see much changing which as this point might not be so bad. She would definitely be a better president than Trump but I just don't trust her.
hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
Well you know who the robot overlords support now.
This whole election is depressing me 
If you don't ever want anything you say to be taken seriously, all you had to do was say so.
Interfectum
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That's very childish. Perhaps you should get out more.
superdeluxe
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Pretty much, Women, minorities, the Clinton name.
Many of her social policies are pretty left leaning, but she appeals to some on the right due to her 'hawkish' nature in foreign policy.
boiled goose
good with gravy
I don't disagree with you guys.
He is campaigning as a populist, that doesn't mean his policies will be. (see Obama campaigning on transformative change. [Let's not derail the thread though].)
Trump is saying stuff like "The system is broken" "Politicians are corrupt".
Hillary is saying stuff like "More Obama"
I agree with you guys that Hillary is likely much better than Trump for the country, but if you don't see why that appeals to some folks then you are the one's out of touch here.
Instead of dismissing people's opinion as irrational and wrong (which they very well may be!), think about why they came to these conclusions. When the system is not working for you, sometimes you wouldn't mind burning the whole thing to the ground. It is just human nature. It is what happens when the government only serves a fraction of the population. As many have said, it is the ID of the tea party.
I still think Trump is somewhat of a wrench though. Giving the middle finger to Fox is definitely throwing a wrench at the system. (I don't think he is doing it for the right reasons, Megyn Kelly's attacks were probably fair and pretty mild tbh, but people see that and like it because they know Fox has other interests influencing their behavior.)
I'm surprised people here are fine with the idea of a Republican lead congress/senate working with a republican president who's probably going to be able to nominate Supreme Court Justice.
I'm going to assume they're heterosexual white males with comfortable revenue/parental support and completely lacking empathy.
I'm going to assume they're heterosexual white males with comfortable revenue/parental support and completely lacking empathy.
Angelus Errare
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superdeluxe
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Not sure if the post about wanting Trump to win so they can see a message board melt down is serious or not.
theignoramus
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White blue collar Sanders supporters.
Trojita
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Temporarily embarrassed casino jackpot winners.
why is bernie getting destroyed in Nevada?
the gay, trans, and minority communities are going to get absolutely trounced for god knows how long if a republican becomes president this time
shame on this country if they allow it to happen
and dont get me started about what they're going to do to women's healthcare and reproductive rights
the gay, trans, and minority communities are going to get absolutely trounced for god knows how long if a republican becomes president this time
shame on this country if they allow it to happen
and dont get me started about what they're going to do to women's healthcare and reproductive rights
j_k_redtail
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bears repeating
theignoramus
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Wrong. Trump has made statements that flatly go against GOP orthodoxy. He says the wealthy should be taxed more. Hes against jobs being outsourced for cheap labor. He's said he wouldn't slash entitlement benefits.
But it is funny! Worth it for the laughs.
Cesare Borgia
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The Obama coalition of voters, specifically minorities, has largely decided to support his assumed successor (Clinton). I don't believe Sanders has done a good job appealing to those people either. A large part of that is simply due to his age and many not being familiar with him though.
Is it too late for Sanders?
If you are part of the demographics that won't directly suffer under a republican presidency.
HUELEN10
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I don't like Trump at all.
2012 was a funny election. This election and some of the responses in this thread alone are scaring the hell outta me.
When it's Hillary vs Trump you'll have to pick
What is the historical precedents for the system failing to handle the ironic vote?
He *says* the wealthy should be taxed more, but his actual policy is hugely beneficial to the wealthy.
HUELEN10
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Why? In 08, I voted for Ron Paul in the General because McCain lost my vote with his running mate. If it's Clinton V Trump, I am staying out of this one, hoping Hilary doesn't win. Doesn't mean I like the cunning racist that is Trump.
Yet you liked Carson who clearly was racist against arabics and full of hate for homosexuals?
So you prefer the bigot.
Its odd to me that people don't understand that the only thing that matters about the next presidential election is that there are going to be Supreme Court seats opening. That trumps everything else, people don't assassinate supreme court justices very often you would be stuck for life time terms with two new conservative judges if Trump wins. That is a sound logical reason to vote for Hilary right there even if you don't like her or the status quo.
And_Gignac
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yeah I cant take their predictions seriously with that ludricous Nevada forecast.
Palette Swap
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It's genuinely baffling to see the mental gymnastics and petty scenarios some people put themselves through so they can justify throwing their vote behind what's the most unambiguously racist and backwards ass candidate.
If you're willing to contribute to giving this guy a shot at nominating Justices, it says a lot about you.
If you're willing to contribute to giving this guy a shot at nominating Justices, it says a lot about you.
ClosingADoor
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So you're hoping Trump wins, because those are the options then.
The word of the day is "privilege".
exmachina64
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Trump is that corruption. If you believe the American political system to be hopelessly corrupt and captured by the interests of the wealthiest Americans, look no further than one of its most powerful participants.
Trump admitting that he influenced politicians and their political actions with his money isn't some bold statement. He's admitting to doing what his constituents claim to hate. He hasn't self-financed his campaign, he has taken money from large wealthy donors and will continue to serve their interests.
Perhaps he will burn the system down, but the one that will take its place will be hopelessly more corrupt and harder to change. If you believe government at all levels barely serves the people, it will be worse than you can imagine. I don't know whether anyone that supports Trump will be able to see that or whether they'll cheer about how much Trump has accomplished.
Meanwhile, the equity ethnic and religious minorities have in this country will be destroyed and the white male will reign.
People who want to dismantle our current system should understand the amount of work establishing a more equitable system will take. This isn't something that can be accomplished by merely voting for Trump in the general election. As an individual, you need to become involved in a political party that represents your views, work as an activist to see your views represented and commit years of your life to doing so.
Show up to every election in your area. Show up to meetings involving local interest groups. Show up to every goddamn city council meeting.
Real change requires work.
You want Donald Trump to win so that some subset of American liberals and minorities will flee the country in terror?
boiled goose
good with gravy
I'm slightly less concerned, but I mostly agree. If America survived Bush (much more religious and much more conservative, though definitely less overtly racist), I think it can survive Trump. I do think Bush did extremely difficult to undo damage though, mostly regarding the invasion of Iraq.
So work with me here.
The worst things that Bush did were the Iraq invasion, the Bush Tax cuts, his terrible supreme court appointments, and the economic crash. Right?
Hillary voted for the invasion of Iraq.
The tax cuts became permanent under Obama.
Citizens United happened under Obama and money in politics is bigger than ever now (though as a caveat, the dissenting justices were largely Obama and Clinton appointees)
Hillary is against GlassSteagall, Obama bailed out Wall Street, etc.
Regarding minorities, Hillary is infinitely better than Trump, even though she only came out in support of gay marriage recently. That said, she was always for equal rights. I'm pretty sure we all know that both Hillary and Obama refrained from coming out in support of it because of politics, not what they actually believed. Despite Trump's inferior "official" stance, to me it seems that he really is just pandering regarding these social issues like gay marriage and abortion. If you want to take people at their word, that is fair though.
There is a bit of a double standard though that comes from Hillary supporters. Somehow electing Bernie is not a good idea because the president can't do that much by himself, but then electing Trump turns the US into a complete dystopia for minorities.
Again, I would definitely vote Hillary over Trump, but it seems many people here don't really get why some people would legitimately prefer him over Hillary.
Aaron Strife
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I like how this is merely a caveat as if it's not the exact fucking reason why this happened. For all the "hur we could just kick out Trump after four years!" dumbasses this is Example number fucking 1 of how a Republican president's actions can have negative consequences long after they leave office.
"Largely" Obama and Clinton appointees? You mean ONLY Obama and Clinton appointees. The five conservative members of the SCOTUS were all appointed by Republican presidents.
Bernie (and 99% chance Hillary!) will still face a Republican Congress and thus not be able to enact much of their preferred policies.
On the other hand, the tidal wave it would require for Trump to get elected president would probably be enough to let the GOP keep their House and Senate majorities.
Furthermore regardless of their actual effectiveness I would much rather have a president who maybe doesn't do enough to empower minorities than one who would actively try to oppress and even exile them from the country. Actions speak louder than words but words can be pretty damn loud too!
The tagline of the Trump campaign fans?
If you are hoping Clinton doesn't win and you are not voting, you are unequivocally saying you would rather have the "cunning racist" as a president.
Punchy4486
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Wrong. Trump's released tax plan hugely benefits the wealthy. His companies have also outsourced thousands of jobs for cheap labor.
Please educate yourself.
No, you vote 3rd party if neither candidate suits your tastes. If it ends up being Clinton v Trump, I can't bring myself to vote for them and will look at the field of 3rd parties that seem to fit more into my political leanings. I wish more people actually did this instead of voting party lines just because.
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