NullPointer
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The Kinect is *all* of those at once, working together in unison with internet access, and placed at all times in the perfect position to best capture you and your family at recreation.
Nothing else is even close.
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MS + NSA reveal. Wil this affect the Kinect?
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Nothing else is even close.
Its truly frightening. I would like to think they are just a bunch of young fanboys with GAF accounts, but I'm not so sure.
BigDaddyFatSack
Banned
NSA does not need a warrant to collect data from your computers and phones. Please read the facts before you even speak about them.
unplug the cable or get one of these
yeah im sure its as simple as that
they (nsa) still need a warrant.
Since when?
3rdamention
Member
I doubt they are, but by reading the article, they were able to get data from Outlook, Skype, and SkyDrive by simply applying legal pressure on Microsoft, which made them oblige.
Which makes you wonder, if the NSA wanted data from your Kinect, they would get it, easy as that. If Microsoft cannot stop them from collecting data from our Emails, Online Files and Video Calls, they will not be able to stop them from getting information from Kinect.
Khalifa Jayy
Banned
Fuck you, Microsoft.
Lol, like i've been saying, no way i'm supporting MS next gen, i hope they Xbox One fails miserably. If the Xbox One succeds and gains more market share than Sony + Nintendo you can bet your asses MS will eventually go back to their DRM bulshit policies and who know what else in the future.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Indeed, but with this same logic they could do the same to Sony and get your voice chat pretty easily. They could turn your Vita camera on too. It's an interesting road when you start looking at this stuff.
Yeah, solid post.
A warrant given to them by a secret court the public doesn't know about and rubber stamps every request. Ok.
Lil kid: I'm gonna kill your mom and rape her skull then kil you negro blah blah blah.
*Knock knock knock*
Lil kid: hold on pizza and chocolate milk is here!
*Cops take him to jail for terroristic threats.*
Lobby lol
Seriously though I am soooo against Kinect but yea as a Xbox guy for so long it's hard for me to maintain my PS4 hype. I've decided to wait and see till 2014 before jumping next generation... I will point my Kinect towards the wall and disable the internal mic.
*Knock knock knock*
Lil kid: hold on pizza and chocolate milk is here!
*Cops take him to jail for terroristic threats.*
Lobby lol
Seriously though I am soooo against Kinect but yea as a Xbox guy for so long it's hard for me to maintain my PS4 hype. I've decided to wait and see till 2014 before jumping next generation... I will point my Kinect towards the wall and disable the internal mic.
Really? Because last I checked, Sony was not on the list of companies that had signed agreements to provide data to the NSA. Sony is not an American company after all. They don't get the same government pressure.
Could it happen? Yes, absolutely if Sony agrees to it or if they do it another way like packet mining through your ISP. But not directly from Sony. At least not now.
Hari Seldon
Member
The US Government is MS's biggest fucking customer. And MS was the first fucking company on board with Prism. They buy out skype and immediately hand over the keys to the NSA. Fuck, I bet the NSA pressured MS to buy Skype just for this.
Fuck the kinect and fuck MS.
what facts ?
this is straight from that article
ms :
"we provide customer data only in response to legal processes."
or this ?
nsa :
"The articles describe court-ordered surveillance"
lol at people being worried about the xbox alone. Anything that people use to connect to another person the government has access to it. Your playstation, your gameboy, your phone, everything. You would be a fool to think governments would pass up the chance to gain access to millions of their citizens.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
(I'm asking because I don't know) Can they not be pressured based on the fact that they do business in the US pretty heavily? What's stopping the US government from shutting them down here (or applying legal action) if they don't comply?
seems like a lot of wasted ressources just to spy on gamers dont you think ?
Oh so words from the two people caught in the act are what we go with. Not sure how you can trust those words. Like that head of the NSA that sat in front of congress months ago to emphatically say they are not monitoring data. Yep, trustworthy words from trustworthy sources.
Skype and the NSA was in bed together way before MS bought them. Please don't spread bullshit.
Please get your logic and reason out of this thread. Don't you know it's Microsoft-season?
Nothing is to stop any government from keeping a company from doing business if they don't play ball. If the government wants to fuck you they will find a way. If companies weren't willing to play ball with any government then that government would most likely control the network connections in their country.
Hari Seldon
Member
Read the entire article. First off, the small shred of court protection, the microscopic shred of some unknown analyst having 51% confidence that you are not an american citizen, then this secret court that cannot be challenged will then allow them to spy on you.
If you are a Euro, all bets are off. NSA probably has a list of hot Euro chicks to jack off to on their skype chats.
Neither.
BigDaddyFatSack
Banned
You can't be this naive.
Go buy Xbox One and be happy with it. No one's stopping you. I'm just baffled by how idiotic people can be at times.
RedNumberFive
Banned
It looks like Microsoft has been handing over our private information to the USG on a silver platter. I'm not sure why anyone would think that Kinect is safe.
NullPointer
Member
I understand their requirements for providing customer data to authorities, but what about collecting and storing that data in the first place? And what oversight exists over those "legal processes"?
It is funny you think it is logical that a corporation and a government entity would tell the truth after being caught red handed searching through piles of personal info from their own citizens.
US does not want to play those kinds of games with Japanese companies and Japan. "Yeah, remember that nuclear powered carrier you muscled into our port even though we didnt want it? Well you can go ahead and get that out of here, oh and take your other ships with you."
copy paste PR responses used by large corporations and government with every incident involving wire-tapping
SwiftDeath
Member
Yes yes it is but I think Prism is a waste of resources personally
Have yet to see convincing evidence that they've really stopped as many terrorist plots as they suggest they have
Whole idea of freedoms really gone downhill since 9/11
SEGAvangelist
Member
Not sure what there is to defend on Microsoft's part. The federal government asks you to do something... you usually do it. They are kind of powerful like that. My beef is with the United States. Does this hurt Microsoft? I would say yes somewhat, but mostly in the eyes of console warriors.
Man, I doubt its just the NSA that is doing this. Europeans would have to be naive to think this isn't happening over there.
Believe that if you want to. There isn't a company that can do business in a first world country that doesn't have to deal with government. Especially when that company does things that the government thinks would benefit them. Japanese companies wouldn't get their smart devices out in the US or other countries if they weren't willing to play ball.
RedNumberFive
Banned
Nope, they'll be mining you for targeted advertising non-fucking-stop. This NSA stuff is the icing on the cake.
This entire snowden stuff surprise me
Because he makes it seem like they gather
So much info every hour,weeks,months,years....
If they know everything wouldnt that mean
They can and should stop any criminal act
Before it happens?. Stop all drug dealers,cartel war on drugs and all that?
They hear and see everything right?,
Shouldnt that be used for good and stop crimes?
Because he makes it seem like they gather
So much info every hour,weeks,months,years....
If they know everything wouldnt that mean
They can and should stop any criminal act
Before it happens?. Stop all drug dealers,cartel war on drugs and all that?
They hear and see everything right?,
Shouldnt that be used for good and stop crimes?
I just wish the American government would stop trying to put a spin on all of this stuff and just admit its ultimate goals. Terrorism is a very real threat, but it's also a convenient scapegoat for other things, like using the Kinect to spy on people... I'm not personally bothered by the whole thing, but I agree that it isn't right.
I have absolutely no evidence to about what I'm about to say. But I do believe that the FBI, NSA, CIA, and local state/federal authorities have fouled plenty of 9/11 type attacks or smaller. PLENTY.
Exactly. Also, don't forget the Patriot Act.
lmao, youre the one who thinks kinect is a window to your living room and im the one whos idiotic ?
SwiftDeath
Member
That's a big data problem
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_data
I assure you NSA/Pentagon etc. (Even private companies) are looking at better ways to handle big data
Sometimes there is anonymity granted in these scenarios by the sheer amount of data masking individuals
Still crap though
SEGAvangelist
Member
They only see and hear what they are actively looking for. Do you realize how expensive it would be to have people actively surveyed 24/7 in order to stop crimes?
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
Did DF just looking this thread
https://twitter.com/digitalfoundry/status/355416198575423490
https://twitter.com/digitalfoundry/status/355416198575423490
DF said:
Everything that a corporation says to defend themselves is not a lie. Some may be
but not all things.Do you really think they're going to blockade the US borders from getting Japanese devices sold? You really think this is such a huge government conspiracy involving all 3 branches of government that has such reach that it would intentionally destroy international commerce if those companies don't play ball? The US government has issues, but what you think they're doing seems to be far fetched. I guess you're deflecting MS blame by trying to say the government heavily strong armed MS into compliance and they had no choice and deflecting saying Sony is doing the same thing, but it seems far fetched.
RedNumberFive
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GoofsterStud
Member
If the Japanese government agrees to it. Sure.
As far as shutting them down. They won't. One Eye isn't mandatory. Two other countries would be in an uproar if a non-US product was forced to spy on them in the US.
Or I can just buy the console that doesn't actively watch me.unplug the cable or get one of these
NullPointer
Member
OR they collect masses of data all the time (which seems to be the way it works for other Prism taps), and only need a rubber-stamped court order to run certain queries (if that) or to retrieve data from those collections associated with particular accounts.
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