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MS + NSA reveal. Wil this affect the Kinect?
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dragonelite
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Its not even an rumor im pretty sure i heard one of the key figures say it.
Where and which video i forgot
Also this.
What? That's so dangerous that it's illegal. You should know better i-Lo.
GoofsterStud
Member
The truth hurts.
What else is the Kinect going to analyze? The way I look? Go to Facebook and you'll see I don't give a fuck and post pictures all the time.
Do you think it's going to be on all the time listening to key phrases or words like Bomb or America said in succession reporting to the NSA? Legally, unless the NSA has reason to believe that you a possible threat to the country, they can't get the warrant to review your non public data.
While we're at it, you better not be plugging in that headset to the PS4, Sony could be recording all those conversations for the NSA.
ParenegadeM
Banned
Are you guys reading this article and the related PRISM articles? This is NOT wide spread surveillance. You cannot hide widespread video surveillance. You can't it at all because a constant video stream is easily detectable.
This is surveillance at request. As in the FBI asks and they comply. This won't affect Kinect other than for people who are paranoid.
On the subject of a Kinectless sku that would be absolutely foolish. Most of the people complaining about that will not buy an Xbox anyway and if they they will not use it as there primary console.
Microsoft needs the Kinect to be mandatory or developers won't use it. Its that simple. If MS offers a Kinectless sku I will instantly cancel my preorder. They need to remain stead fast in the face of all the bad PR. And they need to start showing examples of the Kinect being used in more XB1 games.
This is surveillance at request. As in the FBI asks and they comply. This won't affect Kinect other than for people who are paranoid.
On the subject of a Kinectless sku that would be absolutely foolish. Most of the people complaining about that will not buy an Xbox anyway and if they they will not use it as there primary console.
Microsoft needs the Kinect to be mandatory or developers won't use it. Its that simple. If MS offers a Kinectless sku I will instantly cancel my preorder. They need to remain stead fast in the face of all the bad PR. And they need to start showing examples of the Kinect being used in more XB1 games.
Synless
Member
It's not the same thing. A cellphone is a necessity in a huge percentage of people's lives. A video games console who's competitors are not doing the same thing, not quite...
yog-sothot
Member
If they actually sold the console under that name, I'd call that having balls... And I'd buy one (though it would never be wired)
Yup, apparently things like the need to communicate with other people through voice or the internet is equal to the need for entertainment. Jesus people.
statham
Member
please tell me you do that.
It's always listening, otherwise you would never be able to turn it on using voice commands.
It has video + IR feed, it can analyze who's there, what they look like, their physical attributes, as well as other objects, what products you have in the vicinity, etc.
It is the same thing though. People are freaking out about data being collected, and it's being done on literally every internet connected device you use. Anything that can be used as means of communication fall under what the NSA is able to gain access to.
It's always listening if you want it to be. You can disable it, or outright shut it down when you're not using it.
You act like they're using the Kinect as a way to single people out. If NSA was so good at getting information, the Boston Marathon stuff wouldn't happened. Also, it was Sony who filed the trademark to analyze people in the room and advertise based on that.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
The NSA is going to know that I like double steak quesadillas, and that sometimes I get salty when I lose at KI.
I'm going to put aside some time to think about this very seriously.
I'm going to put aside some time to think about this very seriously.
It's not a rumor. They even showed the screen, when the Kinect is covered or unplugged, it said something about repositioning it to view the player or something along those lines.
Like I said upthread, this is a god damn video games console. A toy. A luxury item. There is a near replica about to hit the market (PS4) and an alternative (WiiU) that don't do this. People that think that gamers will devise a plan to evade surveillance just so they can have their XBone are crazy.
What are you talking about? I highly doubt kinect 2.0 will record anybody unknowingly and/or send a recording of you to the NSA. Why would they want to do this shit when they can simply record you or tap your phones?
batman2million
Member
Is it possible that they can get Sony with the PS4 camera? i know it's not mandatory.
But seriously, I'm pretty sure the NSA can get info on you regardless of you having an Xbox or not.
But seriously, I'm pretty sure the NSA can get info on you regardless of you having an Xbox or not.
Yeah, well, I don't think many devs will use it anyway.
And besides, MS might want to change this policy as well after all the backlash.
That is damning information I tell you; damning.
lionkitten
Banned
It is the same thing. A cellphone is not a necessity. We have chosen to make it one in our minds. Billions of people lived for thousands of years without them. Billions live without them today.
They could probably just grab you in the street and shove you in a van if they wanted
lmao stop making a fool out of yourself dude
Its not even an rumor im pretty sure i heard one of the key figures say it.
Where and which video i forgot
Also this.
i highly doubt that because they already said that you could turn it off completely. you still cant unplug it but you can turn it off so why would they stop you from putting a band aid on it that makes no sense
GoofsterStud
Member
Sony is a Japaneses company so they have the rights to say no. Still I am not plugging in my camera during "night time".
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Deleted member 80556
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Jesus fuck. This is probably the worst privacy violation I've seen.
With the Skype thing, it's pretty much undebatable that MS would've done the same with the XBox One.
Ehh, I thought that you could put it in suspension, not completely turn it off.
Do you have a source? Because if they're wording is literally "you can shut Kinect off" then it shouldn't be a problem. The thing is the wording they have is that "you can put Kinect is suspension" which pretty much means it can be turned on at any moment.
With the Skype thing, it's pretty much undebatable that MS would've done the same with the XBox One.
Ehh, I thought that you could put it in suspension, not completely turn it off.
Do you have a source? Because if they're wording is literally "you can shut Kinect off" then it shouldn't be a problem. The thing is the wording they have is that "you can put Kinect is suspension" which pretty much means it can be turned on at any moment.
Perception is reality in the marketplace. Smartphones are necessities because the market perceives them to be. Who gives a shit if they weren't used during the middle ages?
Omegasquash
Member
We have a winner. NSA monitoring my data has nothing to do with my decision to not go with an XBOne. They already know lots about you. And me. And most everyone else.
Majmun
Member
WTF is this shit.
I need my cellphone to make a living. So it is a necessity. Who doesn't use their phone for work related stuff? Do you even have a job?
I can't believe people are just brushing this off and making stupid comparisons.
They've said a lot of things lately.
Was it unwarranted or with a warrant? Pretty sure they stated numerous times that they had warrants.
This is such a ridiculous statement..my god.
AllIsOneIsNone
Banned
Does not compute. Why would they tap your phones when they could have access to your living room whenever they want?
"Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should." -Jurassic Park
Having access to data like this is dangerous, even if they don't know what they're going to use it for yet. One word: leverage.
Of course I'm making assertions, but I'll be damned if that means I can't like the implications.
SEGAvangelist
Member
There is nothing to brush off. It's not the Kinect that is the problem. I highly doubt the people who are "deciding with their wallets" are actually worried about the security issues that come along with Kinect.
Synless
Member
No, I'm expressing concern why a video game entertainment system should have ever got to the point where the NSA is collecting data from it. It never should have gotten that far and unlike all cellphones or landlines, which I have no other choice, I have a choice here.
It is a perfectly valid statement. If you have a white collar job in 2013, a smartphone is a necessity. A video game console is not.
You guys do realize that after doing the first set up, you just have to verify the system online once, then can disconnect it from the internet which means no one can be watching or listening to you play Call of Duty if you are that paranoid. Like the government is wasting their time getting videos of gamers playing Xbox. Unless you are a potential threat to national security this shouldn't worry you anyways.
lionkitten
Banned
Still a choice.
3rdamention
Member
Ok, I think some of us are getting a bit confused with what is going on here. It seems apparent the Government "forced" Microsoft to give up information in Skype Video Calls, Emails, and SkyDrive Files. Maybe Microsoft did fight it, but finally gave in under government pressure. You cannot fault Microsoft IF they truly were under legal pressure to do so, especially from the NSA and United States Governement.
However, I think the problem is with Microsoft providing another avenue or tool, with Kinect "always on" in our living room, for the Government to once again gather data from people. I think that is really what most of the outrage is based on.
We are not as upset that Microsoft has included Kinect with the XboxOne, as we are that Microsoft included it with the XboxOne knowing what the NSA was doing. Especially if they could use court orders and legal pressures. Microsoft really cannot guarantee you that your data will not be collected, they cannot assure you that your living room is not being monitored, because if the NSA and US Government could force Microsoft to give up the data I mentioned from other places (Skype, Outlook, & SkyDrive), they could just as easily force Microsoft to give up data that is collected or recorded with Kinect.
Now, there is the argument that cell phones and computers are doing all this already. Traffic and Street cameras are monitoring our every move. However, most of us do not have cameras in our living rooms or man caves that the NSA could have access to. With the XboxOne and Kinect, all of the sudden millions of people will have a camera in their living room, that could be used to collect data, whether Microsoft doesn't want it to be used for that or not. I am sure Microsoft didn't intend or plan for information and data from our Emails, Video Calls and Online Files to be collected and used by the NSA, but the NSA did it anyways. Just as they could do it with Kinect, whether Microsoft intended to or not.
If Microsoft couldn't stop the NSA from monitoring and collecting data through their other services, how are they going to stop them from monitoring and collecting data through the mandatory Kinect?
X1 is the last place I expect the NSA to go snooping. Nobody, not even terrorists, should be even remotely concerned about using Kinect IMO.
EDIT: Is there a source stating that Kinect is even gathering information while idle? What sort of information, worst case, could it even conceivably track? Recording audio? Video?
EDIT: Is there a source stating that Kinect is even gathering information while idle? What sort of information, worst case, could it even conceivably track? Recording audio? Video?
BigDaddyFatSack
Banned
Considering the fact that MS gave their Windows back door access to NSA, don't be surprised and get pissed off when you find out that NSA has videos and audios of your living room.
Because it's a no brainer for MS and NSA.
Because it's a no brainer for MS and NSA.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Huh, can you link the video or article?
ZombieSupaStar
Member
I'm pretty sure if the NSA wanted to be ass backwards and tap your gaming console of choice...which doesnt make sense btw. Sony will comply.
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