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Smash Bros Brawl Dojo Official Update Thread: Goodbye, Cherry-don
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ironichaos
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Zeed said:
Not quite the interview you're looking for, but here's the Nintendo Dream translated transcript (Aug. 26, 2003) about his departure from HAL...
"It was tough for me to see that every time I made a new game, people automatically assumed that a sequel was coming. Even if it's a sequel, lots of people have to give their all to make a game, but some people think the sequel process happens naturally.
With times as they are, it's really difficult to make any money for yourself, and I know that I'm taking a big risk here. It's entirely possible that I could just fade right away without ever seeing the light of day again. But even if that happened, I've already decided to myself that I should keep on doing the work I can do, even if it's not all about games.
When I look across the entire game industry, I think we're at a point where we can't get away with being lazy. The game industry is in big trouble, don't you think? Not a lot of people can survive off game sales these days, and the possibilities that games have to offer are growing smaller and smaller, I think. If games were able to receive a certain amount of support-if people had fun with them, if they sold well-then we should be seeing more innovative, more positive games come out one after the other. But that's not the future I'm seeing right now. The risks are so big that misfiring with one title can flatten an entire company.
That's why you see places trying to stay alive by putting out tons of budget titles and re-releases. Every game company, no matter who they are, is desperate right now. So one possibility is that people will say 'I can't live off this anymore' and leave the game industry in droves. You see a lot of people use terms like 'console wars' and compare the whole thing to a fight for territory. You [the interviewer] and lots of other people in the game industry get termed 'Nintendo people' or 'Some other console's people' by someone you've never even met. But this is no time for that, I don't think.
If I want to keep producing games as a business, then staying at HAL would be a more stable place to do that. HAL has its advantages. I get a reasonable amount of pay, living in Yamanashi prefecture isn't that bad, the rent's cheap, and I get national insurance, you know?
But I don't care about that sort of stability. Right now I'm far more concerned about the fact that the game industry, which is built from the balance between developers, publishers, and users, is beginning to fall apart at the seams. I think it's possible for me, as a developer, to have people think about this problem through the development work I do. If I stay in one spot, then I can only communicate this to a limited number of people around the company, but if I can go out and reach more people, I think there are lots of people with far greater abilities than myself out there in the world. I mean, I'm entirely focused on games and I really can't do all that much myself, but if I can get in touch with people that have other great talents, then I think that will set off a chemical reaction and in the end we'll have a chance to make new games and better things. People with these talents might be at a loss at what games to make, and perhaps I can help make up for that in exchange for lending me their talent. This may sound idealistic, but it's really what I think.
If one game sells 40,000 copies and another one sells 20,000 copies, then one sold twice as much as another, right? But if you work for a company, this isn't reflected much in your salary. No matter if your game sells or not, you'll get money deposited in the bank every month on the month, so sometimes you see cases where developers get indifferent towards money and lose the feeling that they're really earning what they make. On the other hand, gamers take money out of their wallets and use it to buy your game. This difference is making gamers and developers drift farther and farther away from each other.
I talked with different people from around the industry about this, and it always seemed like the people who understood what gamers want the most are the guys in sales or the guys working in the stores. But isn't that messed up? It's completely messed up that the people actually making the games are the farthest away from what gamers want. I want to do something about that. I'm not saying I want to change the game industry or anything huge like that, but I just want to do something.
But coincidentally enough-we didn't arrange this or anything-some people in this same industry, people that are fairly well known as developers go, are leaving or moving around in their companies. Other things are going on besides [Yoshiki] Okamoto's new company... It may all be a coincidence, but there are lots of people who think the way things are right now is no good, and I think it's great to see these people going in a new direction and taking the rest of the industry along with them.
I don't think I can take any large-scale work for a while, so I doubt I'll suddenly become director on some grandiose project. There is a chance I'll be involved in several titles at once, but I'll need to think over the balance involved carefully. I may be seriously involved in some, but on others I may let the director and staff at the office take care of it and stick to just giving advice."
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
grandjedi6 said:
Noooo!!!!
I can agree with about a minimum 35 characters. This is my interpretation of how things are going:
Confirmed: Mario, Link, Kirby, Pikachu, Fox, Samus, Zelda, Bowser, Donkey Kong, Yoshi, Peach, Pit, Wario, Zero Suit Samus, Ike, Pokemon Trainer, Meta Knight, Snake, [Captain Falcon*], [Ness or Mother character*]
*Their symbols are confirmed, so as far as I'm concerned, they're confirmed.
Total so far: 20
Near-definite: Luigi, Ganondorf, third-party character, third-party character
Total so far: 24
Probables: Jigglypuff, Falco, Sheik, Mewtwo, Marth, [Animal Crossing character]
Total so far: 30
Possibles: Ice Climbers, Mr. Game & Watch
Total so far: 32
I've just named 32 characters and only 10 of them are new. (11 if Ness is cut and Lucas is in.) Going by the SSBM precedent, where 14 were added, would lead to 36. This is still under the assumption that Pichu, Roy, Young Link, and Dr. Mario (;_
are gone. 35 is looking like a safe minimum bet to me.
Confirmed: Mario, Link, Kirby, Pikachu, Fox, Samus, Zelda, Bowser, Donkey Kong, Yoshi, Peach, Pit, Wario, Zero Suit Samus, Ike, Pokemon Trainer, Meta Knight, Snake, [Captain Falcon*], [Ness or Mother character*]
*Their symbols are confirmed, so as far as I'm concerned, they're confirmed.
Total so far: 20
Near-definite: Luigi, Ganondorf, third-party character, third-party character
Total so far: 24
Probables: Jigglypuff, Falco, Sheik, Mewtwo, Marth, [Animal Crossing character]
Total so far: 30
Possibles: Ice Climbers, Mr. Game & Watch
Total so far: 32
I've just named 32 characters and only 10 of them are new. (11 if Ness is cut and Lucas is in.) Going by the SSBM precedent, where 14 were added, would lead to 36. This is still under the assumption that Pichu, Roy, Young Link, and Dr. Mario (;_
are gone. 35 is looking like a safe minimum bet to me.Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
If Pokemon trainer is any indication, anything goes in terms of new characters.
Another new female please
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
Zeed said:
I hope you are right, because I want the roster of females to increase.
Seriously, 3 females is not enough, especially since Nintendo franchises have a lot of memorable ones
<------ like the one right here.
Dark Ninja
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I doubt she'll be in it maybe the main girl from the newest Fire Emblem might make it inZeed said:
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
Dark Ninja said:
I don't care, more girls = better.
I could see them adding someone like Krystal in because she has a staff, but i would prefer human characters.
Well, I certainly hope so, and think so to some degree, but it depends on what our definitions of near-definite are. I just don't quite put them on the same level as Ganondorf and Luigi, since none of them except Marth carry the same weight in the context of their own series as those two.Zeed said:
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Truth. Where are they all?Hcoregamer00 said:
Zeed said:
:lol
Jiggy37 said:
Well, with Sakurai anything can happen, but I highly doubt we'll see any of those come release date. I mean, there are already too many Pokémon, so Jiggly and Mewtwo should be out. Zelda is sporting her "Twilight Princess"-look, so no Sheik. And Marth...well, Ike is better.
Give us a Fire Emblem gal instead!Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
Jiggy37 said:Truth. Where are they all?
Honestly, I have no idea. Does Nintendo think that adding more females would somehow upset the male gaming population?
If anything they would be happier to have a more balanced cast instead of having like 30 guys and 3 girls.
Akai said:Midna (w/ Wolf Link)
Paula
Lip
Krystal
Jill (Drill Dozer)
Lyn (or any other Fire Emblem heroine)
Sami
That's a nice little roster to choose from, and I'll be sad if not even a few of those make it...
With advance wars I prefer Sasha, but Sami works incredibly well.
The ouendan girls could be a medal or be added as a secondary character (to heal or increase "BURNING SPIRIT" :lol
There's several reasons to favor Lyn over Micaiah. First of all, Micaiah is NOT a Lord. Lyndis is. Secondly, Lyndis was the star of the first internationally released Fire Emblem game, and therefore just as much of a symbol of the series worldwide as Marth is in Japan. Third, the Tellius saga is already represented by Ike, Micaiah would be redundant. And fourth, Lyn is a highly popular character, being the first female Lord in the Fire Emblem series.Dark Ninja said:
Krystal and maybe Midna are the only reasonable choices.Akai said:Midna (w/ Wolf Link)
Paula
Lip
Krystal (Possible
Jill (Drill Dozer)
Lyn (or any other Fire Emblem heroine)
Sami
That's a nice little roster to choose from, and I'll be sad if not even a few of those make it...
grandjedi6
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Fire Emblem is very probably since they want to add more females to the game.Jenga said:
And I hope Krystal is not in the game. If they are going to ignore DKC they might as well ignore post N64 Star Fox too
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
Jenga said:
Yes because the Fire Emblem girls look so out of place in Smash Bros.
grandjedi6 said:
Did they actually state that they want to add more females, Link please. At the very least so I am assured by the fact that there is more than just the usual 3 (Zelda, Peach, Samus).
Dark Ninja
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Yeah but if Ike did replace Marth its most likely that they are trying to promote the most recent Fire Emblem gameZeed said:
But you also have to consider how many sword wielders Brawl is gonna have
Its already reaching a point where sword wielders are going to out-number the normal fighters
If he did replace Marth, Sakurai wouldn't have bothered with a new moveset. I don't understand why people keep insisting that Marth has been removed, there's no evidence whatsoever to support it.Dark Ninja said:
Ike is still the star of FE10.
Okay, assume Lyn and Marth are both in. Let's do a head count.
Sword Weilders
Link
Meta Knight
Marth
Ike
Lyn
Uh...Gannondorf?
Non-Sword Weilders
EVERYONE ELSE.
IAmtheFMan
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Akai said:Midna (w/ Wolf Link)
Paula
Lip
Krystal
Jill (Drill Dozer)
Lyn (or any other Fire Emblem heroine)
Sami
That's a nice little roster to choose from, and I'll be sad if not even a few of those make it...
I keep bringing it up since nobody seems to remember, but Warioware has a selection too, namely Ashley, Kat & Ana, and Mona.
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
IAmtheFMan said:
Oh shit, I totally forgot about it.
I would love to have Kat and Ana or Mona in the game, although what the hell would Mona do?
Cheerleading attacks???? :lol
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
Hcoregamer00 said:
http://wii.ign.com/articles/710/710752p1.html
I remember reading a different translation that worded that a little differently and I think there may have been another interview stating this also
Dark Ninja
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well maybe I exageratedZeed said:
But if they start adding way to many sword wielders it becomes a whole different game
But I guess theres a bunch of guys with guns so..
I just hope it Balances out so that there's a certain number of weapon wielders and normal fighter
Hcoregamer00
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Zeed said:
Yeah, and since Fire Emblem was showcased in Super Smash Bros. Brawl it had a meteoric rise of fanbase in the West thanks to Nintendo actually releasing games in the USA.
More Fire Emblem love can only be good for all of us.
Dark Ninja
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I hate to say it but this is a popularity contestZeed said:
you have to consider that
theres a reason why pokemon has the most characters in the game(counting Pokeballs)
Hcoregamer00
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Dark Ninja said:
If you talk about popularity contest, they had two characters from Fire Emblem when the game wasn't even released in the USA. Now that there is a massive market in the USA and Europe, why would they continue giving FE the 2nd tier treatment?
Dark Ninja
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Yeah but look how many characters they got 1 and 2 for Ice Climbers(if you count them seperate)Zeed said:
ShockingAlberto
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WhatDark Ninja said:
You can't count Pokeballs to make your point.
Hcoregamer00
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ShockingAlberto said:
Counting pokeballs is almost cheating :lol
How many Ice Climber games there have been?Dark Ninja said:
That's right! One.
Guess how many Fire Emblem games there have been. Ten!
If the Ice Climbers can get in with their single, virtually unknown game, then it would make absolutely zero sense to write off any more newcomers from Fire Emblem. There were two in Melee when it was relatively obscure, even in Japan. Since then the series has become a worldwide hit. It deserves three, and it's not rediculous to imagine that it'll get three.
So you think it's reasonable to expect Krystal and Midna but Fire Emblem characters are inconceivable? What?Jenga said:
There's a reason why Nintendo forced Roy into the game (word is that Sakurai wanted to use Sigurd instead) - they were worried about sales. There hadn't been a Fire Emblem since the SNES, the last one being a Nintendo Power-only downloadable. The last proper release was was six years before Roy's game. SSBM did absolute miracles for the franchise.Jenga said:
Dark Ninja
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ShockingAlberto said:
Even without counting the Pokeballs
Pokemon, Mario, and Zelda (popular) have the most Characters in Mellee
Even in the original who had the most chracters Pokemon and Mario(popular)
Why do you think Sakurai had that voting thing
He obviously wanted to see which characters the public was interested in
Also why are people on GAF complaining that there are too many pokemon characters if only Pikachu and Pokemon trainer have been shown?
Are they counting Pokeballs?
Don't get me Wrong I love the Fire Emblem franchise But weren't both Marth and roy going to get cut from the american version of Mellee because no one would know who they were
But this isn't just American popularity anymore since the franchise
been localized so Fire Emblem could get more characters but don't expect them to put in
4-5 characters
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