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College Football Week 13 - Sparty ain't worried 'bout no clock

Lonestar

I joined for Erin Brockovich discussion
I do think that there are some areas of the team that UGA could really improve in the future with a different focus in recruiting. One constant on Bama's teams is their lines. OL and DL are best of the best. UGA has always focuses on QB's and skill position players. That's Richt's wheelhouse. If we start recruiting thinking about our lines, things could quickly change. As of now, our OL recruits this year are already looking better than they have in a few years at least.

That's the not-secret secret. Have a really good D-Line, makes the LB's and secondary better than they are. Have a good O-Line, helps RB's become productive, and you have more leeway on average quarterbacks.

Now, UGA might have had a preseason "good" Offensive line, but at some point, their average quarterback was exposed, and their running game faltered, and their offense just sputtered. Losing Chubb is the biggest reason, but did their O-Line turn out bad?
 

ryseing

Member
Scott Frost is a great pickup for UCF.

GoldenEye 007, looks like Scott Frost (Offensive Coordinator Oregon) is your man. Looks like a good hire.

Yeah, congrads. Great hire. If nothing else, y'all will be fun as hell to watch.

Florida athletes with that spread offense will be spectacular.

As a Bama fan I'm glad it worked out the way it did, but no, we shouldn't have been there. We had our shot at LSU and blew it. And I got the impression most of the country felt the same way.

I don't really agree with the reasoning though. Imagine if MSU had lost to Oregon and had a fluke loss to Air Force, for example. Then they beat Iowa. 1 loss OSU is sitting out with no shot at a playoff berth because they lost one game, and it happened to be to the eventual division winner? I think conference championships should carry some weight but not be the deciding factor. Division champ shouldn't mean anything though.

Ding, ding, ding. Happened to work out but shouldn't be a standard procedure. Also didn't help matters that the game was boring as hell.

As for your second point, Ohio State had their shot. If they were better than a hypothetical three loss MSU, they should have beaten them.

With only four spots, the playoff should go to the teams that at least won their divisions. That's the fairest way to do it. Now, if/when the playoff expands to eight (inevitable IMO), then we can start talking about teams like a OSU who had a strong season but just lost to the eventual division champ.
 
If you have heckler-based set, you'd be good to go.

So apparently all the hotels in Indianapolis are taken up by some big high school swim meet. Bravo Big Ten, Jim Delany and the City of Indianapolis.

Even though Indy is super close to Columbus, I'd prefer it to be in Chicago.

Unfortunately the Bears decided a few years back to transform their historic stadium into a spaceship, but didn't bother going the extra mile by putting a roof on it.
 

andycapps

Member
That's the not-secret secret. Have a really good D-Line, makes the LB's and secondary better than they are. Have a good O-Line, helps RB's become productive, and you have more leeway on average quarterbacks.

Now, UGA might have had a preseason "good" Offensive line, but at some point, their average quarterback was exposed, and their running game faltered, and their offense just sputtered. Losing Chubb is the biggest reason, but did their O-Line turn out bad?

The OL turned out really bad, but a key piece of that that was missing from last year is David Andrews. He was undrafted in the NFL, but the Patriots picked him up and he's started every game with them. Andrews was undrafted because he's undersized, but he's nasty and really smart. There's concern that a couple of UGA OL were undersized and they don't really have any true tackles on the team other than Theus, a lot of guards playing tackle.

So yes, they underperformed, but it's not surprising given the relative lack of talent on the line. Couple good guys, but Theus has been playing LT for a few years, but he's a natural RT.

Chubb and Gurley were also able to make them look better than they were last year and this year. Hell, when we had Moreno I said the same things. He was making guys miss behind the LOS frequently. Richt has never had a solid line, he's had one or two guys at a time that were NFL quality. The rest are not.

Lambert actually looked like a world beater when they could protect him against Sakerlina. But that had more to do with the opponent than UGA. If he has time, he's at least as good as Coker. Coker's really not that good, everyone knows that. He's an average QB. But he's got a good line and Henry takes a lot of attention away from the passing game.
 

Lonestar

I joined for Erin Brockovich discussion
The OL turned out really bad, but a key piece of that that was missing from last year is David Andrews. He was undrafted in the NFL, but the Patriots picked him up and he's started every game with them. Andrews was undrafted because he's undersized, but he's nasty and really smart. There's concern that a couple of UGA OL were undersized and they don't really have any true tackles on the team other than Theus, a lot of guards playing tackle.

So yes, they underperformed, but it's not surprising given the relative lack of talent on the line. Couple good guys, but Theus has been playing LT for a few years, but he's a natural RT.

Chubb and Gurley were also able to make them look better than they were last year and this year. Hell, when we had Moreno I said the same things. He was making guys miss behind the LOS frequently. Richt has never had a solid line, he's had one or two guys at a time that were NFL quality. The rest are not.

Lambert actually looked like a world beater when they could protect him against Sakerlina. But that had more to do with the opponent than UGA. If he has time, he's at least as good as Coker. Coker's really not that good, everyone knows that. He's an average QB. But he's got a good line and Henry takes a lot of attention away from the passing game.

We don't have a good line, at least not consistently. We wouldn't be 84th in allowed tackles for loss, a whole 30 more TKL's than Georgia has allowed. They've gotten better about sacks, but I feel that's more of a combination of Coker being allowed to scramble, but mostly because we're running a bit more than we were at the beginning of the year.

Coker is the type of QB that you have to run particular types of plays, or more importantly, types of plays to not run (BSOD: Bubble Screen of Doom)
 

Lunar15

Member
Kinda curious how much our defense can limit Henry this weekend. Aside from the extra yards in garbage time, Dalvin Cook actually had pretty low numbers for the first three quarters in the FSU game.

Yeah, our offense is an abysmal black hole, but in the games we've won, we've won on the mistakes of our opponents due to staying close in games. There's a slight chance we can win if Alabama fucks up anything early. I'm not really getting my hopes up, but we do have some upset potential, especially considering we'll get Robinson and some other players back this week.
 

andycapps

Member
We don't have a good line, at least not consistently. We wouldn't be 84th in allowed tackles for loss, a whole 30 more TKL's than Georgia has allowed. They've gotten better about sacks, but I feel that's more of a combination of Coker being allowed to scramble, but mostly because we're running a bit more than we were at the beginning of the year.

Coker is the type of QB that you have to run particular types of plays, or more importantly, types of plays to not run (BSOD: Bubble Screen of Doom)

They're 15 more TFL than UGA, which is still surprising to me having watched both teams. This is probably the weakest Bama OL that I can remember, but they do have a lot of talent. Seems like the Bama OL that I know is stacked with juniors and seniors that all have high NFL draft ratings.

I guess this does speak to Kiffin being a better playcaller than Schottenheimer (not surprising) , and Henry being there. Obviously, losing Chubb halfway through the season hurt a lot. You take Henry off that team and the Bama defense is a lot different.
 

Lonestar

I joined for Erin Brockovich discussion
Kinda curious how much our defense can limit Henry this weekend. Aside from the extra yards in garbage time, Dalvin Cook actually had pretty low numbers for the first three quarters in the FSU game.

Yeah, our offense is an abysmal black hole, but in the games we've won, we've won on the mistakes of our opponents due to staying close in games. There's a slight chance we can win if Alabama fucks up anything early. I'm not really getting my hopes up, but we do have some upset potential, especially considering we'll get Robinson and some other players back this week.

Well, maybe the O-Line has improved enough that it isn't losing the middle instantly. I imagine it'll be a bunch of 3-5 yard slams up the middle, with the occasional 10-20 yard bursts, and hold out hope for 1 "to the house" run.

They're 15 more TFL than UGA, which is still surprising to me having watched both teams. This is probably the weakest Bama OL that I can remember, but they do have a lot of talent. Seems like the Bama OL that I know is stacked with juniors and seniors that all have high NFL draft ratings.

I guess this does speak to Kiffin being a better playcaller than Schottenheimer (not surprising) , and Henry being there. Obviously, losing Chubb halfway through the season hurt a lot. You take Henry off that team and the Bama defense is a lot different.

77 - 41 = 36, but Alabama did run the ball about 60 more times than Georgia. Did you mean Offense instead of defense?
 

Sarye

Member
Argh the wait for the Rutgers hire is too much. Is it wrong that I think we will screw this up royally?

All I know is if they name interim coach Wilson because of a lack of options I'm going to kill myself.
 

FyreWulff

Member
Weren't there bridges burnt there? Like really bad?

I don't remember hearing any talk about that. The rumor was only that Frank Solich is never welcome back and isn't acknowledged in any "past coaches" reels (the last one they did went Devaney -> Osborne -> Callahan -> Pelini, lol)

I don't think anyone important around when Frost left still works for Nebraska.

edit:

it was also officially announced last night that Nebraska is bowl eligible and is first in line

5-8 season incoming
 
Bama is ahead of UGA because their facilities are better at the present time, Saban is the best coach in CFB, and they've won multiple national championships in the last decade. So while their recruiting base is not quite as good as UGA's, they can get players from Georgia, maybe a couple from Louisiana, Tennessee, and really anywhere else they feel like recruiting. That success this decade is what highschool recruits pay attention to, and their facilities are great.
I have always felt that the facilities argument has been a bit of a cop out. If that were significant than UGA wouldn't be pulling in top 10 recruiting classes nearly every year. They wouldn't have the #1 QB in the country committed for 2016 or the #6 recruiting class. Getting talent has never been a problem at UGA. It is all coaching in my opinion. Saban is miles ahead of Richt (and nearly everyone else) in coaching and running a program.

Personally, I think UGA made the right move to get rid of Richt. It actually scares me as a Tech fan. You would think that we would want him gone because of his record against us but he is the reason the games are even competitive. If UGA gets a better coach then we aren't even going to be competitive in the game most years. With Richt, we actually had a legitimate chance to beat UGA in a season when we were 3-8 and they were 8-3. That should never happen.
 
When I went 2 years ago vs sparty a lot of the bars ran out of beer before the game

I was there too, the bars were so packed, I had never seen anything like it before or since. They were definitely not ready for us.

This is where we can be glad that Indianapolis isn't hosting the CFP anytime soon.

It's a drag because the city itself is beautiful. Just needs some help logistically.

Even though Indy is super close to Columbus, I'd prefer it to be in Chicago.

Unfortunately the Bears decided a few years back to transform their historic stadium into a spaceship, but didn't bother going the extra mile by putting a roof on it.

Bring it to Detroit! It's a commuter city with tons of surrounding infrastructure that is half empty when the sports teams play away.
 

Ryuuroden

Member
Even though Indy is super close to Columbus, I'd prefer it to be in Chicago.

Unfortunately the Bears decided a few years back to transform their historic stadium into a spaceship, but didn't bother going the extra mile by putting a roof on it.

Or make a halfway decent field. That field is a pile of Shit with nails and Razer blades.
 

andycapps

Member
I have always felt that the facilities argument has been a bit of a cop out. If that were significant than UGA wouldn't be pulling in top 10 recruiting classes nearly every year. They wouldn't have the #1 QB in the country committed for 2016 or the #6 recruiting class. Getting talent has never been a problem at UGA. It is all coaching in my opinion. Saban is miles ahead of Richt (and nearly everyone else) in coaching and running a program.

Personally, I think UGA made the right move to get rid of Richt. It actually scares me as a Tech fan. You would think that we would want him gone because of his record against us but he is the reason the games are even competitive. If UGA gets a better coach then we aren't even going to be competitive in the game most years. With Richt, we actually had a legitimate chance to beat UGA in a season when we were 3-8 and they were 8-3. That should never happen.

The facilities are behind though, if you're trying to keep pace with the top programs.. UGA isn't in that tier yet, close, but not having an IPF was a glaring problem, one that Pruitt used to use against UGA when he was recruiting against them. How many days will it actually be used during the season? Probably not a lot during the season, but in the winter it would be used a lot for offseason practices, I'd think.

I'll agree with you that coaching has been more of an issue, not the talent. Richt started off calling plays and coaching the QB's, and he came in and won the SEC in his 2nd year, and again in 2005. When he started to move into more of the CEO role and trusted his assistants to do the day to day stuff then he really put his job in their hands. If Richt had survived this year and hired a good OC next year, things might have gone better. He mentioned in his press conference yesterday he misses working with the QB's and calling plays, thereby saying he basically screwed up by bringing in Schottenheimer.

Also, I think UGA has averaged somewhere in the top 10 in the last 5 years. Which seems great, until you look at where the programs that have won MNC's have finished. They're in the top 5. There's a pretty steep drop off between #1 and #5, and when you compound that over 4-5 years of a recruit's time on campus, it adds up. Everyone is chasing Bama right now and they want to be #1.

That's the TFL that the defenses get. Those are the ones you want, the other stat is how many the offense receives, that's not what you want.

Ah, you're right. Okay, that blows my mind that UGA leads the country in TFL allowed. Blows my mind. I'm assuming it's because they haven't been passing much at all.
 

Lonestar

I joined for Erin Brockovich discussion
Ah, you're right. Okay, that blows my mind that UGA leads the country in TFL allowed. Blows my mind. I'm assuming it's because they haven't been passing much at all.

Yeah, I'm puzzled about this too. Best I can figure, Georgia is in the bottom 10 of "Offensive plays." So, I guess because they have fewer plays to be TFL on. Alabama has 118 more offensive plays than Georgia on the year.
 

andycapps

Member
Yeah, I'm puzzled about this too. Best I can figure, Georgia is in the bottom 10 of "Offensive plays." So, I guess because they have fewer plays to be TFL on. Alabama has 118 more offensive plays than Georgia on the year.

Probably has a lot to do with it. Richt did start having more of a hand in the offensive philosophy a bit over midway through the season, but it was too late. The philosophy was basically to take care of the ball, time of possession, high percentage passes, etc. Basically, it was how Richt used to win the league, but it was too late. Damage was done earlier in the year in their 3 losses to decent teams.
 
Even though Indy is super close to Columbus, I'd prefer it to be in Chicago.

Unfortunately the Bears decided a few years back to transform their historic stadium into a spaceship, but didn't bother going the extra mile by putting a roof on it.

I'd rather it be in Chicago too, but I wonder if they'd consider moving it to Minneapolis once that new stadium is finished. I always assumed the Indy location was permanent because there wasn't a better solution elsewhere.
 
I'd rather it be in Chicago too, but I wonder if they'd consider moving it to Minneapolis once that new stadium is finished. I always assumed the Indy location was permanent because there wasn't a better solution elsewhere.

Relatively centralized location is how I understood it.
 
Relatively centralized location is how I understood it.

Indiana probably is more centralized when you factor in the addition of Maryland and New Jersey to the conference footprint, but let's be honest - we're probably never going to have to worry about accommodating Rutgers or Maryland in a conference championship game.

Especially now that Kyle Flood is gone.
 

andycapps

Member
Indiana probably is more centralized when you factor in the addition of Maryland and New Jersey to the conference footprint, but let's be honest - we're probably never going to have to worry about accommodating Rutgers or Maryland in a conference championship game.

Especially now that Kyle Flood is gone.

Throwing up that PopPop signal
 
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Draxal

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FWIW, Mullen interviewing at Miami today (and Miami can't afford to pay a larger deal than he currently has at MSU).
 

Draxal

Member
Indiana probably is more centralized when you factor in the addition of Maryland and New Jersey to the conference footprint, but let's be honest - we're probably never going to have to worry about accommodating Rutgers or Maryland in a conference championship game.

Especially now that Kyle Flood is gone.

Wouldn't you want to go to a game at Metlife?
 

andycapps

Member
Richt's an alum so that's no surprise. Mullen is imho.

Apparently, our hiring budget is really big btw ... and the rumors are that we're going to shock the world.

So I'm expecting Moglia.

I think Dan Mullen wants out while his stock is still relatively high. I don't think he has a shot at UGA given his record against the big schools in his division. Not an improvement on Richt, though he's improved Miss State. Really if I had my wish we'd be looking at David Shaw or Dantonio, though I think it's moot at this point.
 

Draxal

Member
shock as in good shock?



oh...

Good shock, we're reaching for the stars ... but you know we're Charlie Brown made into a college university and reality is our Lucy. Let's just say if the right coach is there and wants to come here (our perception is awful right now) we'll open up the wallet.
 

thefro

Member
I'd rather it be in Chicago too, but I wonder if they'd consider moving it to Minneapolis once that new stadium is finished. I always assumed the Indy location was permanent because there wasn't a better solution elsewhere.

Indianapolis wanted badly to host the game long-term and the first couple years went very well, hence the extension until 2021. If you have the game in Chicago it's likely most people wouldn't care (like they don't care about the basketball tournament).

It looks like there's a good amount of hotel rooms left, just that those hotels are requiring at least a 2-night stay. There were enough rooms for the Super Bowl when it happened, so not sure why there wouldn't be for this game.

Also the big swim meet is next weekend, not this weekend.
 

Sarye

Member
Good shock, we're reaching for the stars ... but you know we're Charlie Brown made into a college university and reality is our Lucy. Let's just say if the right coach is there and wants to come here (our perception is awful right now) we'll open up the wallet.

Chip Kelly confirmed

Let me dream
 

Lonestar

I joined for Erin Brockovich discussion
I think Dan Mullen wants out while his stock is still relatively high. I don't think he has a shot at UGA given his record against the big schools in his division. Not an improvement on Richt, though he's improved Miss State. Really if I had my wish we'd be looking at David Shaw or Dantonio, though I think it's moot at this point.

Getting out at the same time as his Tebow, doesn't want to Urban it. But honestly, who besides Saban has a decent SEC West opponent record? Hard to hold that against him. Put MSUs in the east, and they'd be on the success level of Georgia/Tennessee this year.
 

andycapps

Member
Getting out at the same time as his Tebow, doesn't want to Urban it. But honestly, who besides Saban has a decent SEC West opponent record? Hard to hold that against him. Put MSUs in the east, and they'd be on the success level of Georgia/Tennessee this year.

Probably so.

Schiano and Butch Davis have also interviewed at Miami today. Wonder if Houston Nutt has shown up yet with a bag of Krystals for everyone.

Pruitt is in the running at Sakerlina. They've spoken and there's some interest from him apparently.
 
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