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Naruto Shippuden |OT| The Filler Chronicles (Anime Only! No manga spoilers)
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Ocarina_117
Banned
Completely dropped the anime a few episodes after the 5 Kage summit.
Is it worth watching it through? Or should I just watch the last two episodes and be done with it?
Is it worth watching it through? Or should I just watch the last two episodes and be done with it?
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Homages I noticed:
1) Sasuke fighting Naruto clones like in Part 1 scene
2) Naruto throwing clones at Sasuke kind of like Part 1 scene
3) Naruto's somersault throw
1) Sasuke fighting Naruto clones like in Part 1 scene
2) Naruto throwing clones at Sasuke kind of like Part 1 scene
3) Naruto's somersault throw
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Made it home but you still have a while to go, stay strong brother
GravityInsanity
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I say watch all the cannons and skip the fillers.
JadedWriter
Member
I'm trying to marathon all 3 now. The faces they make when Sasuke wants to kill the rest of the Kage is hilarious. "Dafuq you just say?"
You can watch these two and it I'll probably be like you didn't miss anything.
JadedWriter
Member
"Nardo, you gots to go son."
JadedWriter
Member
You know, now that I think about it if Sasuke actually wanted to kill Sakura he would've just done it. No need for Genjutsu. "Well I have no reason to love her or be loved by her." I say god damn.
BladeoftheImmortal
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It's finally over? I'll have to watch the laat episodes, at least.
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JeremyEtcetera
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Beam Stuggles are 'fight filler' to me now. Other than those moments and the flashback and internal monologue cuts(which nearly killed the pacing), the entire fight was animated really well.
If there were no flashbacks or internal moments cut in between fight scenes it would have been really cool seeing it gradually get more and more intense, like a fight from The Raid or Raid 2 movies. I hope other story tellers learn from this in that it is a huge negative to do this in between a well choreographed fight, no matter how much you are attached to the characters. They should have left them all out after Sasuke's speech at the beginning, which set the tone for a non-interrupted fight and also set the stakes. They didn't need to keep reminding us of the stakes during it. I shouldn't have to wait for a superior youtube cut of the fight for it to be the most enjoyable.
There are so many moments of greatness in this show that are ruined by questionable 'filler' scene adding and flashbacks, it boggles my mind how so much they get right goes hand in hand with so much they get wrong.
If there were no flashbacks or internal moments cut in between fight scenes it would have been really cool seeing it gradually get more and more intense, like a fight from The Raid or Raid 2 movies. I hope other story tellers learn from this in that it is a huge negative to do this in between a well choreographed fight, no matter how much you are attached to the characters. They should have left them all out after Sasuke's speech at the beginning, which set the tone for a non-interrupted fight and also set the stakes. They didn't need to keep reminding us of the stakes during it. I shouldn't have to wait for a superior youtube cut of the fight for it to be the most enjoyable.
There are so many moments of greatness in this show that are ruined by questionable 'filler' scene adding and flashbacks, it boggles my mind how so much they get right goes hand in hand with so much they get wrong.
The "nothing can be heard but the sound effects of people getting hit" thing was something I really liked until the..
What he said
Lifejumper
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Its such a shame they went in a dbz direction with fights... sigh. Less is more.
Rumblebones
Banned
That was dope and all but I'm still somewhat annoyed Naruto held back so much and had to be nerfed.
By this point he had accumulated such a ridiculous lead on Sasuke he could actually go toe to toe with Kaguya for a bit and even tear her arm off, whereas a direct hit from Sasuke's Susano'o couldn't even so much as scratch her.
Don't suppose there'd be much of a point if Naruto hadn't been nerfed though, I guess, since that would've been a pretty one-sided fight.
By this point he had accumulated such a ridiculous lead on Sasuke he could actually go toe to toe with Kaguya for a bit and even tear her arm off, whereas a direct hit from Sasuke's Susano'o couldn't even so much as scratch her.
Don't suppose there'd be much of a point if Naruto hadn't been nerfed though, I guess, since that would've been a pretty one-sided fight.
GravityInsanity
Member
I agree that fights that are intense should not be interrupted with speeches or flashbacks but it can work if used right. For example the Kakashi vs Obito fight has no speeches but it did have flashbacks that was connected with the fight that kept the intensity up and used in a clever way.
Like this:
Edit: I forgot, there was a flashback speech but it was technically at the ending of the fight that didn't hurt the pace.
Well in the manga this fight really starts at 10 and then devolves. Its edited a bit here but I think the overall pacing is great.
As far as the dialouge, thats basically the whole point of this fight.
Also you should probably read the manga chapters if you want to understand the differences between the source material and the anime. I feel like your blaming alot of your gripes at the wrong party.
I dont see where you all are going here sorry.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
The 1st Naruto vs sasuke fight was meant to start as simple taijutsu and ninjutsu and then esculate, the 2nd fight is meant to start all the way at their strongest and desculate to just (desperate) taijutsu, the taijutsu at the beginning of the fight in the anime kinda shows why it has to happen that way, sasuke technically doesn't have a transformablr state, he is OP from the very beginning unlike Naruto who has forms
awilliams213
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Just finished it on Hulu that was amazing. I understand you can't please everyone but as an animation fan it was amazing to see all the different key animators go crazy on this two-part episode.
Real talk though I stopped caring about Sasuke a while back but the Nine-tails bond gets me...and those helping hands in the final sequence. DAMN
Real talk though I stopped caring about Sasuke a while back but the Nine-tails bond gets me...and those helping hands in the final sequence. DAMN
Giolon
Member
I disagree entirely. The cuts to the P1 fight and the flashbacks helped sell the emotion to me and highlight the parallels between then and now. I wouldn't have it any other way.
JadedWriter
Member
You know, I have no problem with Sasuke wanting to cast away the roles of the Kage and Tailed Beasts, but the dude took it too far with just wanting to kill them.
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JeremyEtcetera
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This isn't about accuracy to the manga. This is simply about good pacing and a good fight scene. They should not have followed the manga with this fight, because the point of manga is to make sure you don't get 20 pages of action with no words. You can actually get away with this in animated form. You have to consider things like pacing when it comes to actual animation and live action, which some of these directors and story writers just don't understand. Fans of anime need to understand this as well.
Marvel seems to 'get' it mostly when they adapt a comic book hero to the screen. This is why you have people raving about Daredevil's hallway fight, because if the hallway fight existed in a comic, there would be talking bubbles, but you just don't do that when things are moving on screen and they know this. If you want me to point to other anime for good examples, look no further than GiTS: Stand Alone Complex or the Cowboy Bebop movie for well animated fight scenes that didn't require flashbacks constant interrupts to talk. Let the fighting talk.
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I agree with this but I'm not sure how he'd fulfill his plan otherwise. What he said basically showed that the current system doesn't work, so he wanted to hit the reset button on all of it. That requires a huge shakeup and I'm not sure how he'd do it by just accepting what would have come next with no one dying. It would be the same song and dance from before, and you'd get conflict between the kages again eventually and someone causing conflict because of tragedy.
JadedWriter
Member
This is some good shit. Why is Sasuke still so much better at Taijutsu than Naruto? Nardo's getting his clock cleaned. Edit there are diplomatic ways to get rid of a position. Though I do admit it'd be hard convincing them to depose themselves. "Oh shit I'm getting wrecked! Kage Bunshin!"
Im just gonna disagree pal. I value sticking true to the source above all. The additions they made here were very welcome but I certainly don't want them removing shit and context. One of the main reasons I hated storm 4.
Giolon
Member
But if he didn't want to kill them all, how could he maintain his title as Edgelord of the universe?
JadedWriter
Member
And just like in Part 1 Sasuke is owning house on those shadow clones.
His plan was just too edgy for common sense.
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JeremyEtcetera
Unconfirmed Member
I understand manga fans like yourself will disagree with me, and that's to be expected because people like 1:1 manga to anime adaptations. I just feel that sometimes creative liberties need to be taken to make better scenes. To me, the dialogue(and flashbacks) between Naruto and Sasuke during their fight added nothing of value. Zero. They have been telling each other these things since nearly the beginning of this series. There was no need to repeat it, especially during the final fight.
JadedWriter
Member
I love how Sasuke can use the force pull.
Naruto was nerfed so bad this fight and SP ran with it lol.
I still argue that outside of the Indras arrow sequence, there should be no way Sasuke was even competive this fight. He came into the war at around Pain's or Itachis level and suddendly he's equal to Naruto.
I actually generally like the anime more. But i'll say again the dialog is the whole point of this fight.
JadedWriter
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Makes sense cause I didn't remember Sasuke doing this good of a job against Naruto in the manga. Still entertaining though since I like how Sasuke fights better.
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JeremyEtcetera
Unconfirmed Member
If that's truly the case then they shouldn't have spent so long delaying the show to make the fight look as good as possible.
JadedWriter
Member
Wow so Sasuke still knows how to do that Lightning Dragon attack.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Just watched both episodes and they were fantastic, right amount of flashbacks, story and animated figting, was throughly satisfied
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
sasuke is basically 100% all the time with his rinnegan and six paths power but naruto uses his power in forms.
Didnt top Part 1 for me but I still got goosebumps. Also thanks Pierrot for the awesome taijutsu filler! 
i still think their EVAs are Bad... Ninjas yeah! Oh and I got a bit too nostalgic with sadness and sorrow and the 2 Minute slow pull in. Very nais.
It wasnt delayed. There were just breaks
i still think their EVAs are Bad... Ninjas yeah! Oh and I got a bit too nostalgic with sadness and sorrow and the 2 Minute slow pull in. Very nais.It wasnt delayed. There were just breaks
People talking about Sasuke cleaning house with them shadow clones... He does have a reallypowerful sharingan that can effectively predict every move. The animators even highlighted that point. Like in part 1.
JadedWriter
Member
Oh this is known. I just find it hilarious that Naruto should know this, yet he still does it any how.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
So good.
DriftingSpirit
Member
I just watched them. Great episodes. I thoroughly enjoyed them. Dat combat.
Edit - Sasuke's Taijutsu was always on point even back in part 1. He is more skillful and his Sharingan greatly aids him in hand to hand.
Edit - Sasuke's Taijutsu was always on point even back in part 1. He is more skillful and his Sharingan greatly aids him in hand to hand.
papertoonz
Member
The key difference is that Naruto had basically become a god by this point with all his powerups. Sasuke gets one rinnegan and the yin/yang seal and suddenly he's equal. Never made any sense to me.People talking about Sasuke cleaning house with them shadow clones... He does have a reallypowerful sharingan that can effectively predict every move. The animators even highlighted that point. Like in part 1.
papertoonz
Member
the rinnegan is pretty bullshit OP, like the list of things it lets you do is just insane
also they don't have the yin/yang seals anymore, they lost it once they sealed kaguya away
Lol this is still highly debated even to this day.
Naruto is still using RSM during this fight though, and there are other moments. I think they lost the sealing jutsu or whatever but they still have the power boosts.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
If this fight triggers a second renaissance of AMVs im gonna seriously laugh my ass off
I use to do AMVs for a time, they were pretty good and not overused I think.
JadedWriter
Member
Sasuke sneezed through a ton of Kage Bunshin's even in Part 1, Bushins are nothing when you got OP eye hax.
The way I saw it, Sasuke with EMS + Rinnegan was fighting Naruto without any power-ups (except the strength boost he gained from Hagoromo, I guess).
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