What I can say about the MCU is that it is the most reliable bang for you buck movie machine out there and absolutely no one else has come close to being able to replicate what they've done.
And while there is a forumla at times so far in the pantheon we have:
Two Corporate Action Films (Iron Man 1 and 2),North Mythyology sci-fi fantasy adventure (Thor), A WW 2 film (First Avenger), a Space Pulp Opera (Guardians), a film exploring PTSD (Ironman 3),A 70s style Spy flick (Winter Soldier), two more typical pure super her movies (Hulk and Ant-Man), Three massive continuity driven cross over team up blockbusters (Avengers, Age of Ultron and Civil War) and Thor: The Dark World.
And coming up we have a Magical Fantasy Adventure (Doctor Strange) and a Teen High School adventure (Spider-man Homecoming)
And then we have the street level Netflix stuff..
And they are all connected to varying degrees and are building to a climactic film in Infinity War. It's unprecedented.
Now maybe I'm being a bit loose with my genres, but the point is the films are rather different even if they have a Marvel style, I feel like Super Hero is less a genre and more a container to easily present a bunch of different ones.
Lot of snobbery going on, as always with Marvel review threads. Say what you will about how safe the movies are, but saying that they have no sense of heart is downright laughable.
That's putting it lightly.
Meh... so lump the Iron Mans and the Cross over flicks with the Super Hero movies and put a star next to 3 to denote that it is absolutely a personal drama about PTSD in a Super Hero package and that the cross over ones are heavily dipped in continuity of all that came before (which is rare for films that feature so many different leads characters)
My point still stands that the films vary in genre and that Super Hero works more as a package or contextual framework for bringing different genres together more so than as a genre all on it's own.
Lot of snobbery going on, as always with Marvel review threads. Say what you will about how safe the movies are, but saying that they have no sense of heart is downright laughable.
Good thing Marvel's version of "the same" = awesome diverse action movies with similar tonal notes (mostly the humor) but distinct identities.Nah, sorry. I don't expect this film to be anything but more of the same. I'll see how people are feeling about it in a few weeks and catch the end of it's theatrical run if the buzz is good.
Good thing Marvel's version of "the same" = awesome diverse action movies with similar tonal notes (mostly the humor) but distinct identities.
Honestly, I feel that for something like film, a 4 star scale makes so much more sense. It's not really a math formula, it's largely based on feelings and opinions.
1 = That was awful and I gained nothing of value from that at all
2 = It was okay, nothing special though
3 = That was pretty good
4 = Really enjoyed it and have lots of interesting insights from the components
On that scale, the lowest you can go is 2.5/10 when converted. How is 2/10 not hyperbolic lol. Pls zoukka!
Speed Racer > the entire catalogue of the mcu and most comic book movies in general.
man i wish wachowskis tackled one of these properties, even in their current train wreck state of filmmaking.
I love how Marvel lets folks talk about the movie damn near a month before it comes out
That Marvel Ego, it's planet sized
God damn you. Now I really want a DC Watchowski movie.
I love how Marvel lets folks talk about the movie damn near a month before it comes out
That Marvel Ego, it's planet sized
God damn you. Now I really want a DC Watchowski movie.
It would probably suck like Jupiter Ascending.
Dumbed down? Like, not intelligent enough? Or do you hate wisecracking in general?Monocle is right, the dumbed-down humour most of the films share is why he and many others of us don't like the films.
bless up. said it in a far less obnoxious way than i would too.
They really don't vary that much in genre. They are all slightly different flavors of superhero movie. I'm not saying that's inherently bad, but you are reaching really hard to praise their variety here. Marvel movies absolutely follow a formula.
I really like Iron Man 3 fwiw, but you're kinda confusing themes for genre here.
It would probably suck like Jupiter Ascending.
Give them Superman and force them to have another writer to temper their crazy shit and we've got a masterpiece that will probably bomb but I'll be the happiest man on earth.
Jupiter Ascending is in Batman and Robin territory for me. Yeah, it sucks but it was one of the most entertaining films that I watched that year. Absolutely hilarious. I'll never be able to take Eddie Redmayne seriously no matter how many Oscars he wins.
One reviewer is saying that there's five sequences in the film that's as revolutionary as Matrix's Bullet Time stuff. I almost would trust smegmalord over an opinion like that.
Yeah that's some straight up revisionist stick-in-the-mud grumpycat bullshit.
Good thing Marvel's version of "the same" = awesome diverse action movies with similar tonal notes (mostly the humor) but distinct identities.
Marvel movies are just so, um... generic! Yeah, that's it! And predictable. If you're watching a Marvel movie, there is definitely going to be humor and action in it. And not good humor either. Sarcastic humor. Like the kids do on their Twatchats and Facesnaps. Also, the action will be "cool."Just don't see how the films are "cookie cutter" outside the three act structure and "Hero's Journey" elements that almost every single film use.
Getting bored of any discussion of Marvel descending into how gauche and trivial the films are and how we're all missing some horrible flaw.
Civil War was fantastic, this probably wont be bad either. Some people need to seriously tone their vitriol down.
Dumbed down? Like, not intelligent enough? Or do you hate wisecracking in general?
Never mind, I don't really care why you don't like thing. I've never not enjoyed a Marvel movie's humor, so whatevs.
Marvel movies are just so, um... generic! Yeah, that's it! And predictable. If you're watching a Marvel movie, there is definitely going to be humor and action in it. And not good humor either. Sarcastic humor. Like the kids do on their Twatchats and Facesnaps. Also, the action will be "cool."
I love how Marvel lets folks talk about the movie damn near a month before it comes out
That Marvel Ego, it's planet sized
I can't figure out if you are defending or attacking MCU movies.
He's using reverse-psychology to make you feel that the lukewarm action scenes, the ham-fisted thematics and the "funny" one liners are "cool" and the people not enjoying them "old".
Sounds like they nailed the casting again. They've been good at that.
Marvel keeps pushing boundries? Wat?
Yeah, that's one area where I think they've never slipped up.
Well, they've made films in an awful lot of different genres, like spy (Winter Soldier), space adventure (GotG), fantasy Shakespeare shit (Thor), heist adventure (Ant Man) and so on. Seems like Doctor Strange might again have a different feel and flavour, which is great if they've managed it.
Well, they've made films in an awful lot of different genres, like spy (Winter Soldier), space adventure (GotG), fantasy Shakespeare shit (Thor), heist adventure (Ant Man) and so on. Seems like Doctor Strange might again have a different feel and flavour, which is great if they've managed it.
I wouldn't say old so much as uptight and almost theatrically peevish, like a guy who brings his lance and warhorse to a trombone fight.He's using reverse-psychology to make you feel that the lukewarm action scenes, the ham-fisted thematics and the "funny" one liners are "cool" and the people not enjoying them "old".
That's like your opinion man (same for me)Good thing Marvel's version of "the same" = awesome diverse action movies with similar tonal notes (mostly the humor) but distinct identities.
I just can't get any hype for this film. Every time I see it I think of Thor and how that turned out.
Just don't see how the films are "cookie cutter" outside the three act structure and "Hero's Journey" elements that almost every single film use.
Getting bored of any discussion of Marvel descending into how gauche and trivial the films are and how we're all missing some horrible flaw.
Civil War was fantastic, this probably wont be bad either. Some people need to seriously tone their vitriol down.
Honestly, I'd rather watch the ASM movies again than the Thor movies. Thor 1 is a terrible watch the second time and Thor 2 was a terrible watch the first time.Let's not act like Thor 2 is as terrible as the new Spiderman movies or Green Lantern.
I wonder if anyone's ever considered Pixar and how they put out what has in many ways been a model for the MCU's success.
(I don't think that most of the MCU films come close to Pixar's best, but certainly the production model and formula is similar)
Well, for one thing, people always talk about "Pixar films" and "Marvel films" rather than "Jon Favreau films" and "Andrew Stanton films" and so on,How exactly are they comparable?
How exactly are they comparable?
Pixar makes billion dollar movies exploring complex themes of abandonment and the struggle to find self-acceptance that remain accessible to critics as well as children, using boundary-pushing computer animation techniques that have more profoundly changed the cinema landscape in the last 15 years than arguably any other film studio.
I think its a natural reaction to someone learning how to reproduce a good product of any kind really. People love the chase, but perhaps get bored once the catch is made (or whatever).
From reading the way people speak of the MCU, you would assume its the easiest, copy and paste, formulaic shit ever.
Yet despite everyone in their mother, from DC to fucking Lego straight up copying the Cinematic Universe vibe; no one else has yet come close to what Marvel has achieved and IS achieving currently.
You would think such a formulaic and easily predictable blueprint would be muuuuch easier to xerox.
Or maybe..... just maybe..