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[CSJ]

We ultimately lack context, if the car had before just blind sided the motorbike then I can understand the frustration of the biker.

If you hear a sudden loud noise like that you'd jump pretty hard. An then you may instinctively look towards the sound to see what it was. That can lead you to unconsciously steer in that direction which may have explained the initial swerve. Then they notice and overreact in correcting it

That's absolutely true, what's also true is people daily will run over an object, hit a pot hole or something similar and as quick as it happened go "the fuck was that?" and not yank the wheel in a direction that could hurt/kill you.

There's something called survival instinct, but a lot of people lack that I guess.

It would help if motorcycle riding school was actually required to get your license. Here in CA you can just take the test and bypass the course entirely.

What the hell..... :|

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Not condoning the actions of the Biker, but car driver is far more in the wrong.

Also shame on OP for not looking into it and making a thread title that directly blames the Biker for all of this.

The car cut the Biker up, Biker took his anger our on car, by kicking it, car then tries to swerve into biker to knock him off bike, car loses control and ends up crashing into multiple cars.

Biker is the only one we're absolutely certain did something wrong. Not only kicking the vehicle, but also leaving the scene.

 

[mrklaw]

That's absolutely true, what's also true is people daily will run over an object, hit a pot hole or something similar and as quick as it happened go "the fuck was that?" and not yank the wheel in a direction that could hurt/kill you.

There's something called survival instinct, but a lot of people lack that I guess.

Good point, but I guess you feel a pothole through the seat and wheel coming from below you, and maybe subconsciously you know what it is because likely you've driven over one before. I don't know what it's like to have some one kick a door and whether you'd feel any sideways movement/tilt of the car or just hear it - but you'd clearly hear it from that side which may result in a different reaction

 

[TheKeyPit]

Why did that car keep going after the first crash?

 

[andythinkpad]

Wow its a miracle the biker didn't get into the accident too, he was directly behind that car.

 

[OrlanisWorks]

Both the motorcyclist and the driver should be put in front of a judge. They're both fucking stupid and should be held responsible for their actions.

 

[akira28]

Why did that car keep going after the first crash?

the rage was that strong

 

[Ichabod]

Add a green filter to the video and you have an off-brand Matrix Reloaded highway scene.

 

[Donos]

Before i had kid i would shrugg and think well "stupid people" but now, thinking that i could be in another car with my little kid, which gets randomely hit like the white truck did, and she would get hurt because two fucks rage against each other... that brings my own rage up.

And did the bike dude commit hit-and-run? Looks like it.

 

[Tecnniqe]

Before i had kid i would shrugg and think well "stupid people" but now, thinking that i could be in another car with my little kid, which gets randomely hit like the white truck did, and she would get hurt because two fucks rage against each other... that brings my own rage up.

And did the bike dude commit hit-and-run? Looks like it.

Yeah he did

 

[JoeBoy101]

If a driver tries to kill me but crashes I'm not pulling over to see if he's ok. I definitely would have reported it when I feel I'm safe. Seems like the motorcyclist didn't do that. Big mistake.

How about the flipped SUV? Did they try to hurt the cyclist too?

Hit and run is illegal for a reason and he did that.

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

Why did that car keep going after the first crash?

It looked like the driver lost control of his vehicle from the moment his car impacted the motor cycle:

- Biker kicks car
- For whatever reason, the car swerves towards motorcycle and impacts rider
- Car swerves away to the right (overcompensated when first swerved to the left)
- Clearly at this point he loses control and likely traction and veers left again into the concrete divider
- The impact of the car on the divider lifts the car but doesn't absorb all the car's momentum
- The driver is at this point likely steering away from the wall
- The impact may have caused him to lose his brakes entirely
- The care is clearly still carrying significant momentum when it veers right after the wall collision
- At this point it looks like the car and driver are at the mercy of physics
- Finally the car impacts the SUV/truck absorbing its remaining momentum and bringing it to a halt

In terms of whether the driver intentionally tried to hit the rider or not, it's weird, because when you watch the video at full speed, the suddenness of the swerve towards the rider, makes it look like it was intentional. On the other hand, when the video is slowed down, it almost looks like the driver steers left in reflex to the sudden impulse on the left side of his car, but overcompensates, then immediately swerves away from the rider after he impacts the rider and realizes what happened. I would have expected him to keep going left and more gradually if he intentionally wanted to run the rider off the road.

I don't think you can say conclusively either way.

 

[Monochromaticx]

When keeping it real goes wrong

 

[SephiZack]

Watching the YT video at 1080p and 0.25x speed, it doesn't look like the motorcyclist touches the car or probably he just barely touched it.

If that is true, I doubt the driver had a panic attack. Problem is that because of the angle of the video, it's not clear

 

[oneils]

Car almost hit the biker while trying to cut him off from the right. Then then biker kicks the car, and the car driver tries to bump him off his bike and fucks up. I really don't understand how anyone sees it differently. The car driver fucked up. I've watched the YouTube version and it seems clear to me.

 

[Vicetrailia]

They both are in serious trouble, but that person in the car is a bigger dumbass.

Does the biker kick like the hulk? No. So it's harmless other than escalating the road rage which is on the driver too. That kick is a bigger risk to the biker at that speed. They obviously had something going on before the video started and that kick made the driver rage harder (not get scared and lose control). Even if the car driver swerved not to kill but to intimidate or revenge obviously it didn't work out.

I liken that car to the guy who got pissed that a motorcycle was legally passing his slow ass on a double solid one lane lane and tried to kill him for it.

 

[Metroxed]

It's the same in the rest of the country.

It's the same in the rest of the universe really.

 

[mrklaw]

They both are in serious trouble, but that person in the car is a bigger dumbass.

Does the biker kick like the hulk? No. So it's harmless other than escalating the road rage which is on the driver too. That kick is a bigger risk to the biker at that speed. They obviously had something going on before the video started and that kick made the driver rage harder (not get scared and lose control). Even if the car driver swerved not to kill but to intimidate or revenge obviously it didn't work out.

I liken that car to the guy who got pissed that a motorcycle was legally passing his slow ass on a double solid one lane lane and tried to kill him for it.

Kicking a car moving at speed is harmless. Ok.

 

[Lanrutcon]

Kicking a car moving at speed is harmless. Ok.

To the car, yeah. Worst the biker was going to do was make a dent, or fuck himself over.

The car's retort, on the other hand...

I feel bad for those involved that aren't one of the two original dumbasses.

 

[Superkewl]

Not saying the motorcyclist wasn't an jerk for kicking the car, but LOL at the people saying the sedan driver might have just lost control. That was straight up attempted vehicular murder.

 

[aeolist]

And of course the person who had no part in this BS gets the biggest wreck.

because big trucks and SUVs like that flip if you sneeze on them wrong

those things are ridiculously unsafe

 

[Snkfanatic]

Kicking a car moving at speed is harmless. Ok.

Well...I mean it will harm the car but intentionally swerving your car towards someone on a bike is an attempt to seriously hurt someone if not kill them. Bit of a difference there if you ask me.

I am at a loss as to why people are thinking that Nissan lost control from a biker kicking it...no. He lost control after he tried to hurt the biker and hit his bike.

 

[Marvel]

Crazy shit.

 

[Kinyou]

Was the driver in the car scared from the kick or did they try to swerve at the motorcycle? Hard to tell.

I don't think it was intentional. He reacts so instantly to the kick that I assume it was the shock.

 

[poppabk]

Both are assholes. Not sure why we are trying to figure out who is most to blame they were both integral to the chain of events that caused the accident. The sedan driver will likely to be able to succesfully argue that the shock caused him to swerve, but I think he likely tried to give a tiny swerve to scare off the biker but went to far and then over corrected too much.

 

[jfkgoblue]

Because 99.9% of car vs bike incidents are caused by innatentative dumbasses in cars.

look left, look right, look bike.

All I see is an asshole bike rider going far above the speed limit, trying to go between lanes to pass and cruising in a bus lane getting pissed at people that aren't really doing that much wrong.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

All I see is an asshole bike rider going far above the speed limit, trying to go between lanes to pass and cruising in a bus lane getting pissed at people that aren't really doing that much wrong.

Exactly. What the fuck are you doing in the bus lane?

 

[KrellRell]

All I see is an asshole bike rider going far above the speed limit, trying to go between lanes to pass and cruising in a bus lane getting pissed at people that aren't really doing that much wrong.

Totally agree. Sure he kind of got cut off a few times, which happens in cars too. It's like he's purposely trying to get into close calls, his finger is ready before anything even happens, what a joke.

 

[Vicetrailia]

Takes two to tango as they say.

 

[SatansReverence]

All I see is an asshole bike rider going far above the speed limit, trying to go between lanes to pass and cruising in a bus lane getting pissed at people that aren't really doing that much wrong.

So youre about as clueless as the fuckwit that nearly killed me tonight.(pro tip, i got hit by one of you idiots barely 4 hours ago)

Wide angle lens makes speeds look significantly higher than they really are and bikes are allowed to use bus lanes here in Australia and lane filtering is legal in here too.

Any one of those incidents could have been a fatality for a less experienced rider while the driver had a minor insurance claim.

 

[jfkgoblue]

Totally agree. Sure he kind of got cut off a few times, which happens in cars too. It's like he's purposely trying to get into close calls, his finger is ready before anything even happens, what a joke.

And most of those were because he was going way to fast, so I can't even really fault the car driver because if he was driving correctly, he wouldn't have gotten cut off.

In my experience though, people who ride cruisers are fine and don't do this bullshit, but such a large portion of people on sport bikes are just huge assholes.

 

[jfkgoblue]

So youre about as clueless as the fuckwit that nearly killed me tonight.(pro tip, i got hit by one of you idiots barely 4 hours ago)

Wide angle lens makes speeds look significantly higher than they really are and bikes are allowed to use bus lanes here in Australia and lane filtering is legal in here too.

Any one of those incidents could have been a fatality for a less experienced rider while the driver had a minor insurance claim.

I was judging it based on how fucking quickly he was passing the cars. He was blowing by the cars on the road.

 

[GulAtiCa]

Fuck that bike rider. I love how it appears like the biker kept going even after seeing the flipped over truck... Hope they catch the fucking asshole.

I honestly don't think the sedan slerving into the biker was intentional. The video of slow-mo made it kinda clear to me that it happened instantly. Prob got scared and over-reacted thinking he got hit/etc. As he slerved instantly.

 

[hipbabboom]

https://youtu.be/No7v2ps6ukI

yt version

i hope both of them get fined hard

The car driver straight up attempted murder.

 

[SatansReverence]

I was judging it based on how fucking quickly he was passing the cars. He was blowing by the cars on the road.

Wide angle lens and any bike will reach the speed limit long before a car will without even barely cracking the throttle.

 

[KrellRell]

Fuck that bike rider. I love how it appears like the biker kept going even after seeing the flipped over truck... Hope they catch the fucking asshole.

I honestly don't think the sedan slerving into the biker was intentional. The video of slow-mo made it kinda clear to me that it happened instantly. Prob got scared and over-reacted thinking he got hit/etc. As he slerved instantly.

No way dude, the car totally swerved into that bike on purpose. This was ongoing, the biker (not that I agree with them) kicked the car for a reason. The car likely cut them off or stole their lane, biker kicked, car swerved into biker. Two idiots doing stupid road rage-y shit.

 

[jfkgoblue]

Wide angle lens and any bike will reach the speed limit long before a car will without even barely cracking the throttle.

So 2 seconds instead of 3-4? Wtf are you talking about, it doesn't take a car very long to reach what I assume is a 35-45 mph speed limit based on the fact that this was city driving.

 

[KrellRell]

Wide angle lens and any bike will reach the speed limit long before a car will without even barely cracking the throttle.

That's the issue. Bikes accelerate faster, brake faster and are way harder to see. If bike riders want to survive, they need to drive very defensively. Sure you can get mad at "cagers" all day, but that won't keep you alive. Ideally all drivers would be more careful, but that's not going to happen.

 

[PlayALLtheGames]

Why does that truck continue to cruise along when it sees a car smashing into the median and how do they not see it approaching them afterwards? Paying any fucking attention at all? Jesus.

 

[jfkgoblue]

Why does that truck continue to cruise along when it sees a car smashing into the guard rail and how do they not see it approaching them afterwards? Paying any fucking attention at all? Jesus.

Wtf is he supposed to do to stop that from happening? It all takes place in like 3 seconds.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Related question: any recommendations for a good front and rear dash cam, with a decent recording duration? I see and deal with some crazy shit on my commute and in the event I do get into an accident I want to document the cause.

Because 99.9% of car vs bike incidents are caused by innatentative dumbasses in cars.

look left, look right, look bike.

The biker in that video is a dangerous lunatic.

 

[SatansReverence]

So 2 seconds instead of 3-4? Wtf are you talking about, it doesn't take a car very long to reach what I assume is a 35-45 mph speed limit based on the fact that this was city driving.

As in I'll be at the speed limit before the other side of the intersection and cars will take hundreds of meters even at low limits of 60kph.

Just because a car CAN reach the limit in just a few seconds at full throttle doesnt mean the driver is going to do that are they? If you have ever ridden a motorbike(and its obvious you never have) you would know it takes little to nothing to get a bike moving and reach the speed limit.

brake faster

Common misconception. The safe following distance for bikes is actually higher then cars.

The biker in that video is a dangerous lunatic.

Pay attention to the video beyond loud bike seemingly going faster than cars.

 

[Breads]

Biker is the only one we're absolutely certain did something wrong. Not only kicking the vehicle, but also leaving the scene.

I guess.

Most of me feels like they were just trying to escape a crazy asshole who just attempted to murder them tho.

 

[opticalmace]

Related question: any recommendations for a good front and rear dash cam, with a decent recording duration? I see and deal with some crazy shit on my commute and in the event I do get into an accident I want to document the cause.



The biker in that video is a dangerous lunatic.

Do dashcams need to be wired into something? I'm not good with cars (lol). I would like to have a dashcam though. I'm in a modern Forester.

 

[jfkgoblue]

As in I'll be at the speed limit before the other side of the intersection and cars will take hundreds of meters even at low limits of 60kph.

Just because a car CAN reach the limit in just a few seconds at full throttle doesnt mean the driver is going to do that are they? If you have ever ridden a motorbike(and its obvious you never have) you would know it takes little to nothing to get a bike moving and reach the speed limit.

Even if what you are saying is true(which it isn't), you still shouldn't be swerving in between cars like that.

 

[Izayoi]

I don't actually see a lot of blame being given in this thread, there is actually som uncertainty and questions being asked. I don't see any particular level of persecution being aimed at the bike rider

I sure do. On the very first page, you have a genius stating that "He's a motorcycle rider, of course he's a piece of shit."

You can infer that general sentiment from many more posts in here as well.

So 2 seconds instead of 3-4? Wtf are you talking about, it doesn't take a car very long to reach what I assume is a 35-45 mph speed limit based on the fact that this was city driving.

Have you EVER gone the speed limit in busy city traffic? None of the cars he passed were going the limit.

 

[Dougald]

As in I'll be at the speed limit before the other side of the intersection and cars will take hundreds of meters even at low limits of 60kph.

Just because a car CAN reach the limit in just a few seconds at full throttle doesnt mean the driver is going to do that are they? If you have ever ridden a motorbike(and its obvious you never have) you would know it takes little to nothing to get a bike moving and reach the speed limit.

Mate, I know you are upset about the accident but I'm going to break my longstanding avoidance of these threads to tell you its not worth it, this stuff is like debating a brick wall. People like this just view us as scum.

 

[Ovid]

Do dashcams need to be wired into something? I'm not good with cars (lol). I would like to have a dashcam though. I'm in a modern Forester.

No.

They either use suction cups are Velcro.

 

[jfkgoblue]

I sure do. On the very first page, you have a genius stating that "He's a motorcycle rider, of course he's a piece of shit."

You can infer that general sentiment from many more posts in here as well.


Have you EVER gone the speed limit in busy city traffic? None of the cars he passed were going the limit.

Like I said, even if this is true, it's fucking stupid to go a lot faster than the flow of traffic

Btw, ofc I have.

 

[Vagabundo]

Because 99.9% of car vs bike incidents are caused by innatentative dumbasses in cars.

look left, look right, look bike.

Is this suppose be an example of safe motorcycling?