Jawbreaker
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Some of you guys are living in a fantasy land. Jesus.
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UK: Ultra Street Fighter II outsold Marvel vs Capcom: Infinite first week in the UK
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Some of you guys are living in a fantasy land. Jesus.
You don't need multiple high-quality CGI trailers...
You just need to spotlight gameplay - FROM THE GAME - with something that'll get you hyped.
I mean, Smash Bros did so much with so little...
Every time.
Renegotiating those Tatsunoko licenses are the exact reason why it won't be ported to Switch. I don't know if you've heard but Capcom isn't exactly throwing a lot of money around these days.
If so, I hope it's by someone who can put their games on all platforms. Last thing I wanna end up doing is complaining that Microsoft won't touch Banjo and Mega Man.
Steeped in a Sea of Games
Member
I just couldn't get behind MvC while Marvel is still being an ass and holding back X-men characters.
That's pretty upsetting, given that after Nintendo itself, they probably have the most iconic IP in gaming.
Nintendo, you have a giant swimming pool of money in reserve, take a few buckets out and save Mega Man!
Capcom didn't have a lot of titles lined up for X1 or PS4, and a lot of it was smaller-scale. I'm not sure why people thought Capcom would be throwing AAA money at a follow-up to an unsuccessful console in year 1 of its release.
Definitely not. But the shareholders would be very upset, I imagine. The last time they were really upset they rejected Capcom's proposal for a takeover defense.
Definitely not. But the shareholders would be very upset, I imagine. The last time they were really upset they rejected Capcom's proposal for a takeover defense.
Given how the game landed with a wet thud Marvel was probably right in not handing over those keys to the cheap drunk known as Capcom.
CharminUltra
Member
Make Mega Man Legends 3 for Switch and all is forgiven on my side.
It probably hurts when the people making decisions at Capcpom read this...
Steeped in a Sea of Games
Member
Except they're still trying to promote MCU characters so to Marvel, it's more important that the ones they gave got the most attention...
b00_thegh0st
Member
potential customers apparently do.
Yeah, license issues would be the only reason to stop that game from being ported. Can anybody educate me on that particular deal cause I don't really know about that one.
So considerate, I'm glad EA didn't overwhelm us with content in Fifa too.
Hahaha perfect.
That completely ignores the context of what those games/releases are. An ovepriced port of a decade old XBLA game, a quicky up-port of a 3DS game(which I'm fairly sure they sold for full console price) and re-releases of old games(not particularily popular ones either).
Godzilla's Left Toe
Member
Future Capcom PR
Tatsunoko vs Capcom HD for PS4,Xbox1 and Steam...
Oh yeah. Let's go ahead and sell a mechanically demanding competitive fighting IP to a publisher that hasn't developed a single mechanically demanding competitive fighting game in-house since entering the market over 20 years ago. Sounds like a plan.
Sony had their shot at managing an exclusive fighting IP with SFV, which was a huge failure by the series' standards. Enough.
Where would they go if MHW isn't successful? All the goodwill and hype is there, so from this point forward if they squander it, it's on them and as we can see they spent a lot of money on this.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Good luck renegotiating those rights over here in America.
Godzilla's Left Toe
Member
New division of bandai namco.
Licensing is a huge reason, Capcom doesn't have the rights to half that roster.
Somebody mentioned it earlier that Bandai Namco would be a better fit and I completely agree.
They will further pimp out their IPs on mobile and maybe try to be bought by a Chinese game publisher that actually has money to spend.
That was the example you used though, a gif from a CGI trailer. Maybe you mistook it for gameplay footage.You don't need multiple high-quality CGI trailers...
You just need to spotlight gameplay - FROM THE GAME - with something that'll get you hyped.
I mean, Smash Bros did so much with so little...
Every time.
And Smash used CGI too as you can see in this trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJMCIt9Zz9g
I'm not saying they didn't expect to turn some profit. But when they themselves refer to a game as a "test" to see if they'll support a system, it seems pretty clear to me they aren't too interested in it but didn't want to ignore it completely.
Hence a rushjob port they didn't have much faith in.
But Marvel vs Capcom 3 did fine with gameplay trailers for each individual character.
Meanwhile, Marvel vs Capcom Infinite seems to only have them for DLC characters.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Wouldn't it be in Marvel's favor if Capcom fucked up the X-Men?
The Omega Man
Member
Same thing was said regarding Marvel, when there's a will...
Tatsunoko had an event in Japan last April and they said the are still open for the idea as they are "in good terms" with Capcom.
They even had characters popularity poll:
https://twitter.com/tatsunoko_pro/status/856446282159734784
Lol. Good point.
You're missing the point. The main thing people want to see is SOMETHING - CG, gameplay, any spotlight WHATSOEVER - for the characters making up the roster of their fighting game.
MvC:I gave us... squat.
Well, that's not true. That's unfair. They did give us random crossover comic covers on books unrelated to any of the characters and told almost nobody about it.
It's insane to me how anti-hype the entire roster of MvC:I was because literally ANY effort would have been better than what we got.
MADGAME
Member
I'm no legal/contract/rights expert but do realize the daunting and intricate snakepit of complexities regarding the matter. Here's a technical draft they can use to get started:
Tatsunoko: Hey Capcom, totes cool with us if you re-release the game. *double devil's horns*
Capcom: Thanks bro-skis, lock and load. *finger pistols*
Yeah, Bandai Namco would probably be the better option.
Plot twist option: Capcom gets bought out by 37games, who proceeds to turn them into a subsidiary of SNK.
The point they're making is that ident alone made people incredibly excited. That's how big of a deal it was; you saw those short 2 seconds and everyone instantly felt elated.
After a point despite keeping that ident they stopped doing CG trailers altogether - notably after the game released. None of the DLC characters got CG footage but I still remember the crazy uproar when Cloud and Bayonetta were confirmed. That just shows how effective they were with marketing it.
Oh man! Neo G would be back on Capcom fighting games if that happened.
sixteen-bit
Member
lol Neo_G
None of the DLC characters used CGI, outside of, like, 3 shots. The only noteworthy exception was Corrin's... Which up until the "Join Smash" prompt shows up in the dialogue box, was ripped straight from their game IIRC. Everything else not done in-game was basically a still model in a new background.
Bayonetta was the grand finale for the roster, & all she got was gameplay & rudimentary machinima done entirely in-engine.
Outside of Japan, the publshing rights to each of the Tatsunoko properties belong to a bunch of different companies. That it even managed to get published in the U.S. was a miracle, and they still had to cut a character because they couldn't secure the rights.
Yeah, probably why people are so frustrated with them.
They put Megaman and Ryu in Smash and all they got was a the MM collection for 3DS and an updated SF II port for Switch.
Yeah but Marvel is way more popular. Plus the problem isn't with Tatsunoko but rather the license holders outside Japan.
Yo, FIrebrand is swole as fuck!
Oh dear. Now I see what people are talking about. That sounds like a nightmare.
It says a lot about Marvel Infinite that my two favorite characters from Ultimate Marvel 3 made the jump and I'm still not excited about it.
The Omega Man
Member
I'd say, lets worry about the game being created first even if is just for Japan only at the beginning, then we figure out the rest!
Plus Switch's games has no region lock !
Gunslinger
Member
Is MvCI the worst capcom fg debut ever? Financially I mean.
Well we did get some reveal trailers for Marvel, although they aren't super great admittedly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9IsCC9tYjU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unWg48kxPug
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il9_auNu6cc
MvC had something seriously going against it in terms of these reveals though, in that the entire roster was leaked months in advance. Other than people thinking the game is ugly, that's where the negativity surrounding the game really started to swell up. There's only so much hype you can build when your surprises have already been blown. I think at some point somebody at Capcom said "fuck it" and decided to not cut individual reveal trailers for characters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9IsCC9tYjU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unWg48kxPug
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il9_auNu6cc
MvC had something seriously going against it in terms of these reveals though, in that the entire roster was leaked months in advance. Other than people thinking the game is ugly, that's where the negativity surrounding the game really started to swell up. There's only so much hype you can build when your surprises have already been blown. I think at some point somebody at Capcom said "fuck it" and decided to not cut individual reveal trailers for characters.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
I think a cereal company owned the rights to one of the characters, and they didn't even know. So many obscure companies have rights.
That's not how you sell a fighting game.
Pretty much sums up Capcom's non-MH strategy as of late.
Not a good decision in hindsight. Compare the reaction for the Monster Hunter DLC trailer to basically any previous gameplay trailer.
It's a bit weird to me that the roster gets called trash when people are referring to the roster selections and not specifically because of the lack of newcomers, females, fan favorites like Vergil and Wesker, and the lack of X-Men and F4. Because the roster as is, is okay, although that's mostly thanks to reusing so much from UMvC3, and the additions of X and Jedah. Still, it's the only Capcom side I like aside from that game. I love Eagle and Maki in CvS2, but every other (Capcom-wide) crossover has been meh, if not awful. The only exception is MvC1, which was solid for the time.
Well we did get some reveal trailers for Marvel, although they aren't super great admittedly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9IsCC9tYjU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unWg48kxPug
MvC had something seriously going against it in terms of these reveals though, in that the entire roster was leaked months in advance. Other than people thinking the game is ugly, that's where the negativity surrounding the game really started to swell up. There's only so much hype you can build when your surprises have already been blown. I think at some point somebody at Capcom said "fuck it" and just stopped cutting trailers for characters.
Also it's hard to have hype when 80% of your roster can be played in the previous entry.