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UK: Ultra Street Fighter II outsold Marvel vs Capcom: Infinite first week in the UK

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Toxi

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Sesha said:
It's a bit weird to me that the roster gets called trash when people are referring to the roster selections and not specifically because of the lack of newcomers, females, fan favorites like Vergil and Wesker, and the lack of X-Men and F4. Because the roster as is, is okay, although that's mostly thanks to reusing so much from UMvC3. Still, it's the only Capcom side I like aside from that game. I love Eagle and Maki in CvS2, but every other (Capcom-wide) crossover has been meh, if not awful. The only exception is MvC1, which was solid for the time.
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Outside of Megaman X and eventually Monster Hunter, what puts this over Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3's Capcom roster? Losing Trish, Wesker, Vergil, and Phoenix Wright sucks. Jedah's cool, but we had to lose two other Darkstalkers characters.

Maybe it's better if you really like Megaman X. I was never a Megaman fan, so I couldn't give a shit about him.
 
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Neonep

Member
Sesha said:
It's a bit weird to me that the roster gets called trash when people are referring to the roster selections and not specifically because of the lack of newcomers, females, fan favorites like Vergil and Wesker, and the lack of X-Men and F4. Because the roster as is, is okay, although that's mostly thanks to reusing so much from UMvC3, and the additions of X and Jedah. Still, it's the only Capcom side I like aside from that game. I love Eagle and Maki in CvS2, but every other (Capcom-wide) crossover has been meh, if not awful. The only exception is MvC1, which was solid for the time.
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Yeah you can't call a roster trash and not have a reason and particular examples. If you really break down the Marvel side it's kinda hard. The only characters I would think about removing would be Hawkeye, Ghost Rider, & Nova and at the same time solid cases could be made to keep all of them and those would be great DLC. I think the number of slots more so than choices limited the Marvel side.

Now the Capcom side is where I have issues. So underwhelming. Cutting Vergil, Amaterasu, Phoenix Wright, & Wesker. It's like they knew the roster would be limited why not get in the most popular characters. They didn't, they kept Firebrand, Spencer, & Nemesis, 3 of the least hype characters ever. It would have been much more hype of Vergil & Wesker were in this game and apart of this game and in the cutscenes in the story.
 
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NEO0MJ

Member
Toxi said:
Outside of Megaman X and eventually Monster Hunter, what puts this over Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3's Capcom roster? Losing Trish, Wesker, Vergil, and Phoenix Wright sucks. Jedah's cool, but we had to lose two other Darkstalkers characters.

Maybe it's better if you really like Megaman X. I was never a Megaman fan, so I couldn't give a shit about him.
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Remind me who was the second Darkstalkers character that we lost?
 
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oneida

Cock Strain, Lifetime Warranty
Jedah is a better addition than either Hsien-Ko or Felicia IMO.
However I think his model looks pretty goofy, not a fan.
 
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DrArchon

Member
Toxi said:
Outside of Megaman X and eventually Monster Hunter, what puts this over Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3's Capcom roster? Losing Trish, Wesker, Vergil, and Phoenix Wright sucks. Jedah's cool, but we had to lose two other Darkstalkers characters.

Maybe it's better if you really like Megaman X. I was never a Megaman fan, so I couldn't give a shit about him.
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Don't forgot losing both of the Clover characters and not getting Gene to make up for it. Some of Capcom's best games being completely ignored in this one.

For fuck's sake, Okami's getting a rerelease and they couldn't even bring Ammy back!
 
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Toxi

Banned
DrArchon said:
Don't forgot losing both of the Clover characters and not getting Gene to make up for it. Some of Capcom's best games being completely ignored in this one.

For fuck's sake, Okami's getting a rerelease and they couldn't even bring Ammy back!
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Oh shit, I forgot about Lassie and Viewtiful Joe. And Tron too.

Yeah, unless you're a really big Megaman X fan, this isn't a great Capcom roster. And I have never been a big Megaman X fan.
 
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10k

Banned
Lonely1 said:
Come on. Capcom gets so much s*** from Switch enthusiasts because none had a better chance to give decent early support for minimal risk than them. None.

Two retro collections coming that they could have gotten running on the system for peanuts!? Nope. Wonder Boy Switch outsold all other versions, combined. I hope that that hurt at Capcom corporate. Even if Capcom was projecting a Wii U tier flop, there was no reason to skip it, the NES ROMs collection would have outsold the XB1 version no problem.

A 3DS up port of a million selling franchise on Nintendo's systems, one that they had already running on the system for one market, mostly localized and would instantly become the biggest third party game on the system for the first half of the year? Nope. Repeated many times over, to make it clear, Nope. "But please be exited for the game that its releasing on everything but!".

So, what they had for the system? USFII? The game they admitted to be a re-release of a $15 XBLA game for $40, and even went on sale for $3 during the launch week to make the message clear? They had that, and, as per their financial briefing, saved their hides during the quarter. There's that.

I'm sure Capcom learned the lesson, right? Look, they announced a very late port of two last gen games, that came for 3DS, Wii U and even Vita! Exciting! Why announce it as a footnote on a twitter of all places and without any media? Almost as if it is a rush project done to calm investors.

But they just missed the start, right? Capcom is sure to be ramping up Switch development as we speak! Oh, another announcement! A beloved Zelda-inspired game coming at the end of the year! And we even got a trailer, unlike their Switch games that are releasing earlier! Looks like a perfect match for the system and I'm sure Capcom doesn't want to repeat a collections scenario! Wait... not even at a later date statement? A retro Zelda-like not coming to the console that bought Ocean Horn for $15 in 2017!?

But the games are coming! Undetermined titles coming at undetermined dates. They can't tell us what they are, because of reasons. But they are coming...
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Well done.

https://twitter.com/Tenkay23/status/908476818960912384?s=09
 
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ElBoxyBrown

Banned
Jedah has no other 3D model to compare so by default this is the best looking 3D rendition of him. It's not that bad. They captured his quirks and moves. No blood and gore but hey gotta keep it family friendly. I like the purple ooze.
 
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Nimby

Banned
oneida said:
Saving these for later
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I don't want this game to be DR4 levels of disaster, but I think it could very well perform that bad. I can't see how it would ever reach SFV sales and that's not even at 2 million yet.

Edit: Talking about Marvel, not DBFZ
 
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Neonep

Member
DrArchon said:
Don't forgot losing both of the Clover characters and not getting Gene to make up for it. Some of Capcom's best games being completely ignored in this one.

For fuck's sake, Okami's getting a rerelease and they couldn't even bring Ammy back!
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This right here tells the story of this roster. The series is literal fan service and is supposed to be a celebration of the legacy of both Marvel & Capcom and MVC:I straight up forgot that shit.
 
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oneida

Cock Strain, Lifetime Warranty
Nimby said:
I don't want this game to be DR4 levels of disaster, but I think it could very well perform that bad. I can't see how it would ever reach SFV sales and that's not even at 2 million yet.

Edit: Talking about Marvel, not DBFZ
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I don't expect MvCI to outsell SFV ever and I am confident that DBFZ will outsell both, alongside being ASW's highest-selling fighter.
 
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NEO0MJ

Member
Toxi said:
Hsien-Ko or Felicia.
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Oh right, forgot about Felicia. Never cared for her like Hsien-Ko and she never had any major presence at tournaments like Morrigan.

If we're talking transition woes i lost my whole team of Shuma Gorath, Dr. Doom, and Sentinel :(

HelloNewman said:
He looks like he's made of jello now I quit using him because he looks dumb as hell now.
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I think he looks good, personally. The loss of blood is sad but if that the price to pay to have him back so be it.
 
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ElBoxyBrown

Banned
NEO0MJ said:
Oh right, forgot about Felicia. Never cared for her like Hsien-Ko and she never had any major presence at tournaments like Morrigan.

If we're talking transition woes i lost my whole team of Shuma Gorath, Dr. Doom, and Sentinel :(
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PR Rog played Felicia.
 
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Neonep

Member
Toxi said:
Oh shit, I forgot about Lassie and Viewtiful Joe. And Tron too.

Yeah, unless you're a really big Megaman X fan, this isn't a great Capcom roster. And I have never been a big Megaman X fan.
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Lets break it down a bit. There are 15 slots. The must haves are Ryu, Chun-Li, Dante, Chris, X, Zero, Morrigan, & Strider. That's 8 slots. You can also debate that Chris could have been replaced by Leon, everybody else is absolutely necessary. Now Jedah is welcomed and people love him we good at 9 right now. That leaves Hagger, Arthur, Frank West, Nemesis, Firebrand, & Spencer. I think those 6 is where the problem lies. Now I definitely understand Hagger, Arthur, & Frank West, they represent the legacy of Capcom well enough. That leaves the last 3. They are easily 3 of the worst picks and slot wasters on the entire roster.
 
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Bronetta

Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
MvC Infinite should be a marketing and PR case study on how to absolutely kill any excitement for the property.

Ive been a hardcore MvC fan for almost 2 decades. This was my favourite fighting game series ever. I hated everything about the game prerelease.

I still picked up the game at launch for a good price and let me tell you the core gameplay is great, maybe the best ever in the series.

But games are more than just gameplay in the sea of great games out there today. Presentation matters, content matters. Priorities matter. Capcom learned nothing from the fiascos with previous fighting games.

Since getting my hands on the game Ive become a lot more positive but I still can't recommend this game to anyone in good faith.
 
The Hermit

The Hermit

Member
Zubz said:
Yup. They expected USFII to fail so they could have an excuse to bail on the system; I don't see any other way they were trying to go about this.
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Neonep

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Bronetta said:
MvC Infinite should be a marketing and PR case study on how to absolutely kill any excitement for the property.

Ive been a hardcore MvC fan for almost 2 decades. This was my favourite fighting game series ever. I hated everything about the game prerelease.

I still picked up the game at launch for a good price and let me tell you the core gameplay is great, maybe the best ever in the series.

But games are more than just gameplay in the sea of great games out there today. Presentation matters, content matters. Priorities matter. Capcom learned nothing from the fiascos with previous fighting games.

Since getting my hands on the game Ive become a lot more positive but I still can't recommend this game to anyone in good faith.
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Never seen PR for a game that bad since DmC, another Capcom game.
 
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Ryce

Member
Bronetta said:
MvC Infinite should be a marketing and PR case study on how to absolutely kill any excitement for the property.

Ive been a hardcore MvC fan for almost 2 decades. This was my favourite fighting game series ever. I hated everything about the game prerelease.

I still picked up the game at launch for a good price and let me tell you the core gameplay is great, maybe the best ever in the series.

But games are more than just gameplay in the sea of great games out there today. Presentation matters, content matters. Priorities matter. Capcom learned nothing from the fiascos with previous fighting games.

Since getting my hands on the game Ive become a lot more positive but I still can't recommend this game to anyone in good faith.
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This is exactly how I feel, and it's so incredibly frustrating.
 
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Toxi

Banned
Neonep said:
Lets break it down a bit. There are 15 slots. The must haves are Ryu, Chun-Li, Dante, Chris, X, Zero, Morrigan, & Strider. That's 8 slots. You can also debate that Chris could have been replaced by Leon, everybody else is absolutely necessary. Now Jedah is welcomed and people love him we good at 9 right now. That leaves Hagger, Arthur, Frank West, Nemesis, Firebrand, & Spencer. I think those 6 is where the problem lies. Now I definitely understand Hagger, Arthur, & Frank West, they represent the legacy of Capcom well enough. That leaves the last 3. They are easily 3 of the worst picks and slot wasters on the entire roster.
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Why are X and Zero both in the "must have" slot? They're both ugly robot children protagonists from some long-dead series that was never that popular.
 
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Reset

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Toxi said:
Why are X and Zero both in the "must have" slot? They're both ugly robot children protagonists from some long-dead series that was never very popular.
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Both of them are probably more recognizable than Arthur, Pheonix Wright, Strider, Firebrand, Morrigan, Hagger, Jedah, and Spencer.

Edit: Lol you want Tron and the Okami dog. Tron and the dog are more recognizable than X/Zero? Ok.

Edit2: Why'd you edit your post of asking for Tron and the dog?!
 
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Neonep

Member
Toxi said:
Why are X and Zero both in the "must have" slot? They're both ugly robot children protagonists from some long-dead series that was never very popular.
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Cause they are highly regarded and popular. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that it isn't a must have. Hell if it was up to me I would have Zero from the Megaman Zero series and Megaman EXE from the Battle Network series.
 
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DrArchon

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Neonep said:
This right here tells the story of this roster. The series is literal fan service and is supposed to be a celebration of the legacy of both Marvel & Capcom and MVC:I straight up forgot that shit.
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I have no idea what the goal behind the Capcom side of the roster was. It wasn't to showcase the legacy of Capcom's past titles, because they left out so many games (even some that were in MvC3), but it also wasn't to showcase Capcom's new games because we didn't get anyone from SFV or RE7. The closest thing we got was Monster Hunter as DLC. It's pathetic.

Meanwhile Dragon's Dogma is still alive and gets nothing, the Ace Attorney series is still alive and gets less than nothing, and Okami gets a rerelease and loses it's only character. Again, pathetic.
 
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dezzy8

Member
Marvel definitely deserves better. The game looks ugly as shit. Lack of XMEN characters doesnt make it any better. No Wolverine, Storm, or Sentinel? The fuck?
 
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Toxi

Banned
BkzUzi said:
Both of them are probably more recognizable than Arthur, Pheonix Wright, Strider, Firebrand, Morrigan, Hagger, Jedah, and Spencer.
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Ghosts n Goblins sold better than any Megaman X game.

But yeah, sure, include both of them and don't bother with Sigma.
 
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Hazzuh

Member
Bronetta said:
MvC Infinite should be a marketing and PR case study on how to absolutely kill any excitement for the property.

Ive been a hardcore MvC fan for almost 2 decades. This was my favourite fighting game series ever. I hated everything about the game prerelease.

I still picked up the game at launch for a good price and let me tell you the core gameplay is great, maybe the best ever in the series.

But games are more than just gameplay in the sea of great games out there today. Presentation matters, content matters. Priorities matter. Capcom learned nothing from the fiascos with previous fighting games.

Since getting my hands on the game Ive become a lot more positive but I still can't recommend this game to anyone in good faith.
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The last new Capcom fighting game that wasn't a PR disaster was ... SF4 Arcade Edition? In 2011?
 
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NEO0MJ

Member
Neonep said:
Lets break it down a bit. There are 15 slots. The must haves are Ryu, Chun-Li, Dante, Chris, X, Zero, Morrigan, & Strider. That's 8 slots. You can also debate that Chris could have been replaced by Leon, everybody else is absolutely necessary. Now Jedah is welcomed and people love him we good at 9 right now. That leaves Hagger, Arthur, Frank West, Nemesis, Firebrand, & Spencer. I think those 6 is where the problem lies. Now I definitely understand Hagger, Arthur, & Frank West, they represent the legacy of Capcom well enough. That leaves the last 3. They are easily 3 of the worst picks and slot wasters on the entire roster.
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Since they had to recycle a lot I doubt they could have replaced Chris with Leon. And while Nemesis didn't make much of a splash in 3 he's still the most iconic RE villain after Wesker and serves a unique niche of being a giant armored character, especially since Sentinel is now gone.
 
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Reset

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Toxi said:
Ghosts n Goblins sold better than any Megaman X game.

But yeah, sure, include both of them and don't bother with Sigma.
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Doesn't mean Arthur's design is iconic or memorable. I would be surprised if more people are able to recognize Arthur than MegaMan.
 
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Neonep

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NEO0MJ said:
Since they had to recycle a lot I doubt they could have replaced Chris with Leon. And while Nemesis didn't make much of a splash in 3 he's still the most iconic RE villain after Wesker and serves a unique niche of being a giant armored character, especially since Sentinel is now gone.
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Hagger is there to fill that slot.
 
TGO

TGO

Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
I'm not surprised, MVCI hasn't had and isn't really getting good publicity so it would effect sales
 
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Khezu

Member
Toxi said:
Why are X and Zero both in the "must have" slot? They're both ugly robot children protagonists from some long-dead series that was never that popular.
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I will never say that Megaman doesn't deserve a spot in a Capcom game, but fuck do those two just look so weird standing right next to literally any other character.

I might even say that box art Megaman fit in better in SFxT then Megaman and Zero do in Marvel.
Ok, I don't mean that, but I love box art Megaman.
 
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Neonep

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TGO said:
I'm not surprised, MVCI hasn't had and isn't really getting good publicity so it would effect sales
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Yep the reaction has pretty much been the gameplay is great but the game doesn't look all that great and the roster is underwhelming lacking popular characters.
 
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Espada

Member
MvC:I selling worse than goddamn USF2 in one of Nintendo's weakest territories is insane. That is some Yamcha getting killed by a Saibaman levels of pathetic. They honestly deserve this after how poorly handled this game was. The conspicuous lack of marketing, PSABR-levels of UI failure, lifeless voice acting, and poor 3D models did not help this game's case. What's worse is that they did this in a year packed with great games, and when their competition is putting out things like Revelator, Injustice 2, DBF, etc...

I really hope for Capcom's sake that Monster Hunter World sells really well because the last few years after been too kind to them.
 
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NexusCell

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Still don't know what they were thinking choosing fucking Firebrand or Nemesis over basically another other Capcom vet. Pretty sure those 2 were like the least fanservice characters you could have gone with. I mean, they can't even fucking talk so you even miss out on any cool character interactions. I guarantee if they were replaced with Ammy, Phoenix Wright, Viewtiful Joe, or another rep that the rooster will be a lot better recieved.
 
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nded

Member
Pai Pai Master said:
Yes and I miss her so much

IMO Spencer is the worst part of the roster. Not sure why he made it into the base roster over Monster Hunter, Tron Bonne or someone else.
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Sort of the same situation as with Sentinel. Not a popular character outside the game, but he ended up becoming quite the fan favorite during MvC3's tourney days.

I had hoped they would go with his original design or Dad Spencer rather than Captain Caveman though.
 
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