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Vice-Presidential Debate |OT| The Big F$@*ing Deal vs. The Randian from Dairyland
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Ravensmash
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Fox News website poll.
Question was: Who won the VP debate?
Autumn Wind
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I'm surprised it's not higher for Ryan considering it's a Fox News poll.
Omegasquash
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Fox News website poll.
Question was: Who won the VP debate?
I find increasingly that Fox News just preaches to the choir. I care less and less about what they say, because they're tailored to a specific audience with pretty uniform political ideologies and opinions. Much like others, to be sure.
Fox News website poll.
Question was: Who won the VP debate?
Man, i knew Fox News was biased toward Republicans, but that's even worst than i imagined.
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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Fox News website poll.
Question was: Who won the VP debate?
CNN-ORC post-debate poll of Registered Voters:
48% said Ryan won.
44% said Biden won.
CNBC Poll Results:
Who do you think won the VP Debate?
Paul Ryan: 56%
Joe Biden: 36%
Neither: 8%
Fox may be a little bit of an outlier in terms of %, but right in line with what most people thought.
Fox News website poll.
Question was: Who won the VP debate?
You guys see what I was saying earlier? Republicans will deny everything to defend their guy and claim a win, and liberals will throw their guy under the bus and wet the bed in terror. This debate was so one sided it isn't even funny, and they deny that reality. At least most democrats had the sense to say Obama lost his debate.
It's been said many times that the CNN poll sample was leaning +8 points republican. And the CNBC "poll" was an online survey LOL.
Also, snap polls are worthless.
Ravensmash
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Yeah, I was just about to say this.
As much as I (and people in other online communities) believe that Biden won, it's really not being reflected elsewhere at all.
I don't know much about the US political landscape so I'll leave it at that, but I think this is going to be a very close presidential race, because there is this big dislike of the other guy from both sides. Individual > Substance seemingly.
CNN poll said right on it that it oversampled Republicans
And is that CNBC poll a reference to this online poll which is now in Biden's favor?
You also forgot the CBS Poll:
INSTANT POLL of Undecided Voters:
BIDEN: 50%
RYAN: 31%
TIE: 19%
thecouncil
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yeah, i agree with that.
The second was an online poll and therefore worthless as all online polls are.
spandexmonkey
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I tuned in mid way but had to turn it off around the time they were talking about Syria. Biden says they're working with allies to arm the right people, Ryan says Obama/Biden are mishandling the issue and he'd work with allies to arm the right people, but only betterer. I'm done.
I was going to say the same. When am I going to get REAL post-debate polls.
Krauser Kat
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Anyone who has seen any old school congress discussions and or parlimentary discussions have nothing new to see here. America's politicians should be more brazen to shit on each other. I did not elect you to sit on your hands and wait for the other side to throw us into the volcano. Every congressmen should be screaming and yelling and drinking. Eventually compromise will happen, we would be fucked if it doesnt, the problem this time around is compromise means the Gop crying on tv that dems just wont compromise with throwing the middle and lower classes under the bus.
Well CBS had what looked like a decent snap poll of undecideds.
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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CBS was +8 Democrat so I ignored that flawed poll.
Ryan deserved it but how does that change the fact that he could have done it, I would suggest far harder, had he not acted like a child. I am definitely not "incensed" about him being a "bully". Ryan deserved it.
Ryan truly did get curbstomped if people are this incensed with Biden being a big bully
You do understand that showing some class and dignity while stomping someone's face makes the opponent look worse when they lose composure like Ryan did vs squirming and making noises like a child, right?
So you don't care that our elected officials act like children?
That is fucking sad.
Who was acting like a child?
The Technomancer
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If Biden was debating just about anyone else the laughter would have been inappropriate, but it made me smile seeing it happen to Ryan. But, as I've said, I legitimately despise Ryan, so I don't represent the electorate.
In the popular vote it will be close.
Obama has a lead in electoral votes.
Ohio is the key state. Obama has built up a real lead there and it is the only swing state where Romney has a higher unfavorable rating than favorable.
In Ohio as of 10/11, Obama had 51% and Romney 45%. One in five voters has voted early per the poll. Ohio has 18 electoral votes.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/election-map-2012/president/?tid=rr_mod
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aztek is ok
Well, thanks for the flawed CNN poll
thecouncil
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watching this debate again.
i dont think biden considers what he's doing is interrupting.
he's treating certain areas of it as a discussion between the moderator, himself and ryan.
and since ryan is delivering rehearsed rhetoric and doesn't respond directly to things biden is saying or asking, it comes off as rude on biden's part.
i dont think biden considers what he's doing is interrupting.
he's treating certain areas of it as a discussion between the moderator, himself and ryan.
and since ryan is delivering rehearsed rhetoric and doesn't respond directly to things biden is saying or asking, it comes off as rude on biden's part.
Dude Abides
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What happened to The Predator Paul Ryan? Seems like he left the debate with his ass cheeks red and sore.
Yet you post results from an online survey. lol
Yet you are ok with using the CNBC online web poll (which quickly shifted to Biden, you only linked the results of a random time period in the poll!) as part of your argument?
Not denying Biden won. The fibs and distortions from the Dem side just get conveniently ignored by you guys, but then again... this IS MSNBCGAF
reggieandTFE
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He's a useless troll; simply ignore him.
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Remember, your chosen party can do no wrong in a debate! Ryan didn't lie through his teeth and get beat down and Biden didn't act like an insecure child.
Sure sure. Keep those blinders on!
Sirpopopop
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Not to mention if we're citing every poll out there:
How about the CNN Snap poll, Bulbo?
How about the Huff Post poll?
Oops - they don't fit the narrative. LET'S IGNORE!
I guess we just have different definitions of "acting like a child".
empty vessel
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So long as the government can tax (and impose consequences for the failure to pay tax), it can establish demand for its money and also command resources. This is not theoretical; this is exactly how, e.g., colonial governments created demand for their otherwise worthless paper and allowed them to command the labor of locals who, after imposition of a tax in the currency of the government, would sell their labor to the government to obtain the worthless paper that they were forced to pay taxes in.
I agree with you, of course, that money has no intrinsic value and that scarcity increases the demand for it. When money is scarce, however, it puts deflationary pressure on the economy (assuming the country is a net importer) and causes unemployment. In other words, it is not good for money to be too scarce. And when there is too much money, it puts inflationary pressure on the economy and causes prices to continually rise. So the point is to ensure that the amount of money in existence is sufficient to optimize the economy (neither too much nor too little).
But I don't understand what any of this has to do with the proposition that the government has to accumulate "debt." The government can control the money supply through its spending power and taxation power. Spending creates money (opens the spigot of fiat dollars) and taxation destroys money (drains fiat dollars out of the economy). The borrowing plays no role here. It is simply a tax now (the money that is paid for the bond) in exchange for a promise to create money and give it to somebody later (the principal plus interest). In short, it's just another form of spending and taxing. It isn't actually borrowing anything.
Sirpopopop
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Not denying Biden won. The fibs and distortions from the Dem side just get conveniently ignored by you guys, but then again... this IS MSNBCGAF
Glad to know you made the same comments during the Romney debate.
Oh wait, no you didn't.
Lord_Byron28
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I noticed a number of times during both debates when it came down to it Romney/Ryan admitted they'd do the same as Obama only betterer.
CBS had two different polls one was accounting already decided voters meanwhile the poll people keep referring to were of undecided voters.
Guys, Bulbo is mocking you for dong this, not actually doing this. Like my mother always said, don't get trolled by a man wearing the American flag as pants.
The consensus of the few scientific polls, as well as the pundits and the blogs, is that Dems think it was a triumph, GOP thinks it was a tie but Biden was mean. You can do your own analysis from that.
Futurevoid
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Moderator: "Can you talk in specifics about how your tax plan would work?"
Ryan: *rambles about everything except specifics"
Moderator: "So no specifics..."
The debate was over for me at that point. As a moderate, I'm open to hearing discussion on both sides of the issue but when one side has no ability to lay a single detail about how their tax plan would work on the table - you lost me.
Ryan: *rambles about everything except specifics"
Moderator: "So no specifics..."
The debate was over for me at that point. As a moderate, I'm open to hearing discussion on both sides of the issue but when one side has no ability to lay a single detail about how their tax plan would work on the table - you lost me.
Yeah that was really bad (but expected) from Ryan. And g-damn what a great moderator she was. I hope Lehrer was taking notes.
bingo
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She didnt do anything special
she ....moderated the debate, she did her best to keep these two on the issues and the question asked, asked them to expand on answers... you know, moderate a debate.
I love Leher, he's a great journalist, NewsHour on PBS is the best, last week wasnt his best.
you're right, but it was a discussion between them. that's what a debate is kinda. especially this style of sit down small table. rather than biden being rude it would be viewers having a false view of what a debate is sorta.
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Ryan looks like a little kid in this one. Dude got his shit destroyed last night.
Tallshortman
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The fact you are so blind to your own hypocrisy is really amusing.
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