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Official 2011 MLB Thread v.2: The Mets are terrible.
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A Black Falcon
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What, you think that one of the worst Septembers ever happened just as a result of luck and injuries, nothing more? Nothing significant needs to be done, just come back next year healthy and we'll be fine? I'm not so sure, with how horribly a lot of the team played all around through much of the month...eznark said:
SonicMegaDrive
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sonicmegadrive said:
Windu said:5-5 last 10
9-11 last 20
14-16 last 30
sonicmegadrive said:
lololol
I hope you got your expectations lowered a bit.
The Frankman
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The Frankman
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Technically Boston in 1964 was worse if you think of some of the variables, but it's official. Braves and Red Sox were worse.Maxim726X said:
OH I DIDN'T KNOW PLAYOFF GAMES STARTED!!! WE TALKING PLAYOFFS?Doytch said:
PLAYOFFS?? YOU KIDDING ME? PLAYOFFS?
PLAYOFFS?
GTFO.
Kimbrel's poor performance towards the end of the year has more to do with the inability of Fredi Gonzalez to manage his rotation and bullpen effectively rather than Kimbrel. Kimbrel had never made more than 49 appearances in a single season at any level in the minors over the past 3 years, and he nearly doubled that number this season alone. I'm putting this more on the shoulders of Fredi rather than Kimbrel because Fredi failed to allow guys like Delgado and Teheran to go past 5 innings, and that put more of the brunt on guys like Kimbrel who simply did not have the experience or background to pace himself over the course of a single season.The Frankman said:
MLB network reaction
Harold Reynolds and Dan Plesac React to Orioles Beating Red Sox, Rays Beating Yankees
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBcc1BM5BBE&feature=player_embedded
Harold Reynolds and Dan Plesac React to Orioles Beating Red Sox, Rays Beating Yankees
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBcc1BM5BBE&feature=player_embedded
The Internet
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When are the times of the 1st round games usually announced? Reason being I'm in Fort Worth right now and was hoping to catch a Rags game.
lazybones18
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captmcblack
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Can I get some statistics for why the collapses of Boston and/or Atlanta are worse than that of the current gold standard for collapsing late, the Mets?
Didn't the Mets lead from wire to wire before folding at the end against a bottom-feeder? They also el foldo'd on both the division and the wild card late, correct? What makes last night worse than that?
Didn't the Mets lead from wire to wire before folding at the end against a bottom-feeder? They also el foldo'd on both the division and the wild card late, correct? What makes last night worse than that?
I'm not as big of a Red Sox fan as I used to be, so this wasn't as bad as 03 because I wasn't following them as closely. It still hurt though. I was watching the game with some diehard fans who were flipping out and complaining about the Orioles putting an effort into the game, it's like they don't even understand the sport. If the Red Sox had a chance to keep the Orioles out of the playoffs, I know I would be rooting to spoil that. After all the Rays did to come back, they deserved a chance to win it, so good on them.
But wow, what a night. I definitely enjoyed the whole spectacle of it all, must have been an awesome night to be a fan of the Rays/Orioles/Yankees or anyone who hates the Red Sox. Grats to the Rays.
But wow, what a night. I definitely enjoyed the whole spectacle of it all, must have been an awesome night to be a fan of the Rays/Orioles/Yankees or anyone who hates the Red Sox. Grats to the Rays.
The Frankman
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captmcblack said:
Actually the Gold standard was still Boston (1964, 1986 to some extent). Thanks for playing though, enjoy the parting gifts!
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Well, as a resident of Georgia, after this Braves collapse, I am sure glad I have the Falcons (oh wait), the Hawks ( oh wait), the Georgia Bulldogs (oh wait), the great outdoors to turn to in this time of sorrow.
The Braves will be back in the hunt next year. Some good young pitchers coming along. Uggla and Chipper Jones will be back. Heyward will be out of his sophomore slump. Michael Bourne will be here. McCann will be here. Freddie Freeman will have some experience under his belt.
Spring training in a little over 5 months from now.
The Braves will be back in the hunt next year. Some good young pitchers coming along. Uggla and Chipper Jones will be back. Heyward will be out of his sophomore slump. Michael Bourne will be here. McCann will be here. Freddie Freeman will have some experience under his belt.
Spring training in a little over 5 months from now.
captmcblack
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I know the stories. I wanted to see if there's numerical proof.
The only people searching through history for worse collapses are Mets fans. That was widely considered the worst. There may have been equal stuff from shorter seasons of yesteryear (w/less teams and no wild card), but 2007 is generally what we refer to in the modern era.
What I'd like to see is if there is a reason for yesterday's to be considered worse even than that. The hype of the Red Sox makes it funnier, but is it a statistically worse failure? More games lost? More games lost consecutively? Stuff like that.
The only people searching through history for worse collapses are Mets fans. That was widely considered the worst. There may have been equal stuff from shorter seasons of yesteryear (w/less teams and no wild card), but 2007 is generally what we refer to in the modern era.
What I'd like to see is if there is a reason for yesterday's to be considered worse even than that. The hype of the Red Sox makes it funnier, but is it a statistically worse failure? More games lost? More games lost consecutively? Stuff like that.
The Frankman
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... you weren't posting or watching ESPN? I'm sure it was posted last night why. Hell Windu was posting odds and numbers all night, even Cajole did when he got back after is Braves-collapse high.captmcblack said:
Braves had a 10.5 game lead on August 29th I believe (maybe 28th?) and an 8.5 game lead Sept. 1.
Boston had as much as a 9 game lead Sept 1.
I know there are more numbers back in this thread.
captmcblack
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That's what I was looking for. Now, I want to see RSPN take care to point that out on TV...
The Frankman
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Oh trust me, BSPN went heel on the Red Sox. The Braves are so lucky because in some respects their collapse was a little bigger. However due to how the Rays game went w/ Boston's game it was ignored.
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verbum said:
And also you guys lost the Atlanta Thrashers to Winnipeg.
TheNatural
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The Frankman said:
Yeah this is pretty much the most epic collapses ever, in the same season.
Honestly, I don't even remember the Mets collapse, maybe because their entire team was a bunch of overpaid old fucks at the twilight of their careers.
And it took completely away from the fact the real story wasn't a collapse: it was the Rockies batshit run from hell where they won 13 of 14 to end the year, then another 7 in a row in the playoffs to get to the World Series (where they were trounced.)
I mean the Rays and Cardinals obviously had to play well to catch up, but they didn't do some crazy shit like go 13-1 to end the year to barely get in, it was more of a collapse on the Braves and Red Sox than anything else.
But to show how meaningless momentum is, St. Louis in 2006 almost had their own epic collapse, they went 3-9 to close the year at a really horrible 83-78 clip that won that horrible division, then they went on to win the World Series - the worst regular season record ever to do so I believe.
andthebeatgoeson
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After watching the Braves fans 2 nights ago, it's hard to feel bad for the city. I stopped cheering for the Phils just because it seemed cruel. I know some of their players were terrible in Sept but they were booing all throughout the night, had no sense of the situation, where only cheering for the Astros. Bad karma came to bite this city in the ass. 90% of the upper deck was empty on the 161st game. I guess College Football is King of the South but it felt bad to watch. I'm guessing the Phils couldn't do anything else but the Cardinals have some decent pitching and I don't want to see the 2010 playoff Phils again. Hope we keep hitting.
Mr. Enigma
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I'm not using this as an excuse because other teams went through this and weren't affected, but it's amazing how the Braves and Red Sox both turned to utter shit after the Hurricane Irene mess. It was seriously like someone flipped a switch on them.
canoli2006
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I can't stand Carl Crawford even more now after I just watched him being interviewed in the locker room. I couldn't understand a word he was saying because he was mumbling and he was completely void of any emotion.
andthebeatgoeson
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What does Irene have anything to do with it?AnEternalEnigma said:
The Frankman
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Whoops, Braves led by 8.5 on September 5th, not the 1st.
depends on how you look at it. Braves had a bigger lead going into september. The mets had a lead of 7 games on september 12th with 17 to go (their largest lead of the season, on the division at least), the braves had a 5.5 game lead on september 10th with 17 to go.The Frankman said:
Braves with 7 left 1 in the loss column up. (1.5 up)
Mets with 7 left 2 in the loss column up. (2 up)
14 left Braves 4 up in the loss column (4.5 up)..ouch
14 left Mets 3 up in the loss column (2.5 up)
21 left Braves up 7 in the loss column (6.5 up)
21 left Mets up 6 in the loss column (6 up)
28 left Braves 9 up in the loss column (8.5 up)
28 left Mets 3 up in the loss column (3 up)
Mets had the bigger collapse in a short time frame, braves had the bigger collapse if you look at the whole month. And i'm sure boston is just as bad.
the question is, when will it be the phillies turn?
Mr. Enigma
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Also, the Braves blew a Wild Card berth that is more volatile due to the unbalanced schedule. The Braves didn't get to play 15 games against the Astros. The Mets choked a division and finished two games back, not one game. The division is the bigger deal.
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