How would someone not know it was related to Alien? The advertising was pretty much identical as it was for Alien, any and all media pieces on it were about it being related to Alien, and if you see the movie and don't realize it is an Alien movie, then you must have never seen an Alien movie.
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P R O M E T H E U S |OT| Ridley Scott goes back to Building Better Worlds
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I hate to repeat what's been said a million times already but yes I did also very much like the story and themes they had surrounding David and Weyland the most. Even though it ultimately does feel like and probably was just a plot device, David's almost omniscient knowledge gives great ambiguity to his character (of his love/contempt for his creators or just certain individuals) which I quite liked. And of course the themes relating to the scene you mentioned which Scott also explored in Bladerunner.
It's been demonstrated so many times in this thread, that most of the questions were indeed answered, some people just catched more than others.
and many people do know it has something to do with Alien. In total I saw Prometheus with 4 people: One friend who had seen Alien before and knew this was connected, one friend who hadn't seen Alien but knew of its existence and that this was related, one friend who was wholly oblivious, and my little brother who I had shown Alien just a few months before (he figured out from the ads and from google that it was somehow connected to Prometheus).
None of those people go on GAF, 3/4ths of them knew Prometheus was connected to Alien.
All you are suggesting is that people who know more about the Alien franchise and Scott as a director were more hyped up. Internet locales like this are more likely to have those people, but the way people talk about the "gaf hivemind" or "gaf hype" makes it sound like those things occur because the people are on neogaf. I am saying that is not the truth.
symphonask
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Everything David did was in service of Weyland and the Company.
Just watched this movie now
It was pretty confusing and at times hard to follow... I had to look up some explanations online to figure what it was I had seen
I had to figure out those Humanoid aliens were the Space Jockeys and that merging with those tentacles creatures formed the basis for a proto-Alien in its very earliest generations
Intruiging at that point but everything else was kinda meh to me
It was pretty confusing and at times hard to follow... I had to look up some explanations online to figure what it was I had seen
I had to figure out those Humanoid aliens were the Space Jockeys and that merging with those tentacles creatures formed the basis for a proto-Alien in its very earliest generations
Intruiging at that point but everything else was kinda meh to me
brandonh83
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I watched the real version of the
... why the fuck would they cut that?
Need an extended cut of this so bad.
Shaw/Engineer confrontation... WHAT THE FUCK WERE THEY THINKING... holy christ. It was maybe what, a couple minutes longer at best, but it added a lot more tension and helped give it a "slasher" movie type feel... argh
Need an extended cut of this so bad.
CartridgeBlower
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Wasn't there a fan extended cut in the works?
brandonh83
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Dunno. I'd rather have an official cut but I'll take what I can get. I also rewatched the movie today (which inspired me to seek out the deleted scenes) and I liked it more than when I saw it in theaters.
Definitely flawed, but the extended scene I mentioned above completely addressed one of the bigger problems I had toward the end of the film.
iirc Ridley cut that scene down because
he didn't want Shaw to be able to put up a fight against an Engineer, said it would undermine how godly powerful the Engineers are supposed to be compared to humans.
brandonh83
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I didn't feel like... she did... whatsoever.
it just tossed her around and she hit it once with the ax... not exactly some Shaw vs. Engineer super saiyan battle to the death
Anyway, regardless it was actually satisfying, something that the theatrical cut completely lacked.
lilbaby Jesus
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Well here's two things we can all agree on, it was great to see an ass cheek shot from theron and the imprint of the camel toe of noomi.
SCULLIBUNDO
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I was insanely hyped for the movie. But to be fair, so was everybody else. That first and second trailer promised so, so much.
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Abortion scene, tentacles in an eyeball, worm snaps an arm, squid rapes the engineer etc
Aliens has zero horror factor to me anymore. As a kid some of the stuff was scary, but it always felt like an action movie. Alien has some creepy stuff even in todays standards though. Nothing gut wrenching.
You guys are high. Alien and Aliens are much scarier than Prometheus - which just plain isn't scary. Aliens is far gorier than Prometheus as well. When they find that first colonist near the atmosphere processor and the chestburster explodes from her stomach and they torch her? That right there is far more horrifying than anything in Prometheus. The abortion scene was uncomfortable, but pretty much completely bloodless. Compare that to blood going fucking everywhere in Alien when Kane gives birth.
Nothing in Prometheus is as scary as Alien's air-duct sequence either, nor when Ripley goes to rescue Newt or when the Aliens are coming closer on the motion trackers. There's a reason that sound is ingrained into everybody's minds. That is the sound of fear.
The sound of fear in Prometheus is that final shot that makes you scared that Ridley Scott has lost his fucking mind.
you dont need to know those answers though. It is all just speculation at this point.
TheChewyWaffles
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I watched it again recently and it's not...oh, god, it's not. Watch it as if the capsules were suposed to be
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TheChewyWaffles
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Problems with David's motives are well-documented.
edit: Quoting from another site:
Android David tells Noomi she seems to be about “three months pregnant” (about ten minutes after we awkwardly introduce the idea that she’s infertile for the first time)—then immediately reveals that the “fetus” is an alien squid thing. Maybe he read something about the normal gestational cycle of alien squid things in the hieroglyphs? Because… how the hell does he know what “three months” looks like? When she pleads with him to cut it out, he attempt to knock her out and put her in stasis, again for reasons unclear. She then neglects to mention this unsporting behavior to anyone, and nobody seems at all curious when she shows up bloodied and bedraggled after performing an emergency auto-caesarian. David, who was previously so keen to retrieve squid-fetus for whatever reason, exhibits no interest in what might have happened to it.
brandonh83
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Friend from the Past I believe.
Not sure I see the problem, there? Obviously, she's not really three months pregnant. It just looks like she is, and that's based on human pregnancies (and it's not particularly surprising that David would know about those).
(I doubt that alien squid thing would have waited several months to be born, too.)
(I doubt that alien squid thing would have waited several months to be born, too.)
starchild excalibur
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As far as the whole "which is creepier" debate, I definitely don't think of Prometheus as being creepy or scary. It's definitely violent, but not creepy or especially scary. Sure, there's more blood in it than Alien but what made Alien so memorable was its slow-moving thriller elements - none of which are really present in Prometheus. It doesn't really bother me as Prometheus is it's own story - I never thought of it as trying to replicate the horror that was present in Alien.
It feels as non-creepy/horror/thriller as Aliens to me.
Black Dynamite proves you're wrong.
Although you're right in 99% of cases.
It feels as non-creepy/horror/thriller as Aliens to me.
Black Dynamite proves you're wrong.
Although you're right in 99% of cases.
TheChewyWaffles
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That's only one part of what I quoted.
I know, I agree about the rest (and the forced exposition regarding the infertility too, actually).
Nick Laslett
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The science fiction fandom community in US/UK 1982 knew that Blade Runner had been messed about with, the addition of voice over and tacked on ending were common knowledge in that community and well reported in the science fiction specialist press (Starlog, Starburst, Cinefantastique, Cinefex) The Dallas/Denver previews and the subsequent one in London all used the work print cut and were well documented in the specialist press. The fact that Blade Runner had been dumb down for the mainstream was always a large part of its cult appeal witin the SF community. The film won the Hugo for Best Dramatic Presentation in 1983. 9 years later with the release of the Directors cut, mainstream critics were pretty much unanimous that the film had been misunderstood on original release and gave it high praise.
We watched the trilogy with my gf and friend a while back now and nobody really was scared of any of the movies. Gf saw the movies for the first time (she hated aliens lol). During Prometheus everyone was clinging to their seats and grincing mad during some of the scenes.
I know it's hard for you to accept Prometheus being good in anything, but the Alien movies are not scary at all by todays standards. Prometheus in general didn't feel like a horror movie to me despite some of the nasty scenes. For me it was glorious exploration and scifi magic.
Sorry but that scene holds no speculation. It's clear as a day the xeno wasn't the first by a long shot.
CartridgeBlower
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Did you see Alien and Aliens at home, and then Prometheus in the theater? Because you can't underestimate the effect that has on a film. Not really a fair comparison. Unless you did see them all at home.
Blu-ray.com review:
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Prometheus-3D-Blu-ray/39474/#Review
Blu-ray review
Movie 4.0 of 5 4.0
Video 5.0 of 5 5.0
3D 4.5 of 5 4.5
Audio 5.0 of 5 5.0
Extras 5.0 of 5 5.0
Overall 5.0 of 5 5.0
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Prometheus-3D-Blu-ray/39474/#Review
Blu-ray review
Movie 4.0 of 5 4.0
Video 5.0 of 5 5.0
3D 4.5 of 5 4.5
Audio 5.0 of 5 5.0
Extras 5.0 of 5 5.0
Overall 5.0 of 5 5.0
Beat out Avatar .. awesome!
THE-Pink-Dagger
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Didnt say Prom is scary. Oh and seeing the whole making off, Scott clearly hasnt lost his mind, IMO, he remains a genius, can't believe the guy is 76, he is so sharp.
SCULLIBUNDO
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This is great, thank you.
Earth worms transformed by the goo?
Penis and Vag monsters aplenty
RadioHeadAche
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We came from them. They will come for us.
THE-Pink-Dagger
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Man, the extras sound fantastic.
Fuck. If only the deleted shit was in the cut, I'd be all over it.
I totally get why it's not in it, a lot of the scenes work on their own, but in the movie, not sure, the Engineer speaks is a great scene but they cut it, because they want the Engineers to be more mysterious. The Janek fills Vicker scene right after she torches Holloway is cool, but as Ridley and Scalia (editor) say it in the making off, they were going into other directions right after she torches him and it would feel like putting the brakes on the movie.
Fifield attacks with full CG xenomorph-like Fifield is cool, but CG looks a bit ropey in some spots and it's not as effective, Ridley wanted Sean Harris' acting to come through, so they did it with prostetics.
The alternate opening is just 4,5 sec of the old Engineers giving the young Engineer the bowl, and then it's the same as the theatrical version, they got rid of it probably because they want to save some of the Engineer stuff for the sequel.
The scene where the Engineer has a fight with Shaw is cool, and rad, but as Ridley said it, i t diminishes him, being hit by an axe when he's a superior being. The Paradise alternate ending is awesome, with some bit more info on the Engineer's world, but it's different from the theatrical version and in it, Shaw just tells David "Well maybe that's because I'm human and you're a fucking robot" and she shoves his head in the bag instead of gently laying it in the bag.
In the documentary, there are also glimpses of the Engineer walking from the derelict to the lifeboat, so there is even more footage out there, but not sure if it's useful, they cut because it needs to be cut, in their opinion, but often, it's for good reasons.
By the way, something caught my eye several times in the documentary, they were shooting the movie in 48 fps, as it said on the clap thingy, weird that it never got out. Would like to see the movie in 48 fps.
Not like he said anything of substance in that deleted scene, really...
RadioHeadAche
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Is there a steelbook for the bluray in the US?
THE-Pink-Dagger
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Oh and you wouldnt believe how much of the movie has been done practically. Milburn's arm breaking is practical, the hammerpede is a mix of CG and practical, surgery scene is mainly practical, the Deacon is a mix of puppetry (impressive stuff) and CG, all the sets, insane detail, the Engineer head twitching, all animatronics, just blown away by the skill in this movie.
THE-Pink-Dagger
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You still there? GTFO already.
Cute, once again.
When you watch a movie at my house, it's dark, quiet and nobody says a word during the feature presentation
I know it's just one other part, but as for why David wanted to knock her out and put her into stasis...I assumed he was making her part of weyland's scientific haul from the expedition. David was running an experiment - initially on Charlie, but then it turned into a cross-breeding exercise as a bonus. He want to put her into stasis for further study back on earth*. I agree about the apparent general reaction to her after the operation though...it feels like a scene was cut.
* or later on the ship, or whatever. I think the rate of gestation took him by surprise and he wanted to try to hit the pause button anyway.
* or later on the ship, or whatever. I think the rate of gestation took him by surprise and he wanted to try to hit the pause button anyway.
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