DangerStepp
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Weekend Confirmed Ep. 72 - August 5th 2011 - Andrea Rene and Diabolical DRM
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CarbonatedFalcon
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SickBoy said:
Well with the port coming out this Fall...
firehawk12
Subete no aware
It's funny, on the one hand I agree with them on Catherine, on the other hand it's infuriating because it's clear that they haven't finished the game yet and a lot of the themes they are talking about evolve by the end of the game.
Heck, they are even trapped in the stupid "good vs evil" BioWare morality mentality when talking about the game. It's the one thing that the game is NOT trying to do. :/
Also, Andrea is ugh. Sorry.
Heck, they are even trapped in the stupid "good vs evil" BioWare morality mentality when talking about the game. It's the one thing that the game is NOT trying to do. :/
Also, Andrea is ugh. Sorry.
CarbonatedFalcon
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After listening to the podcast...
Not everyone is as "weak" as you seem to think they are Garnett.
You seemed to completely miss the fact that you can buy and sell in-game gold as well - a key point that would influence your opinion. Having an exchange rate between gold and real money will mean that neither auction house will ever be completely useless.
And why be upset at people who DO want to buy stuff? If they want to buy stuff with real money that's their prerogative even if it's "cheating the game" from your point of view. If you're the one selling items, you make money off their "lack of integrity".
And yes, a system that displays whether something was traded for or picked up yourself could be a reasonable solution, but such a thing could just end up fueling the flames of animosity between players. Perhaps if the distinction was between only things your character finds and anything that was never originally yours, whether it be traded from a friend or bought on either auction house like how your character name is implemented on things you craft in WoW, fitting with how the loot system works now (you only seeing your own loot and not having to spam click to pick stuff up.)
One last point:
If I could make put myself through college (unlikely) or even make a little cash playing a game I'll enjoy in my free time when I'm not working or studying, that's great! Earning money off playing Diablo is a bonus - something I couldn't do with other activities I find as enjoyable without spending innumerable hours honing my Starcraft 2, WoW, or Halo skills hoping to win money in a competition. With Diablo, the money (however much) seems like a sure thing given enough time.
With that, I think I'm done here.
Not everyone is as "weak" as you seem to think they are Garnett.
You seemed to completely miss the fact that you can buy and sell in-game gold as well - a key point that would influence your opinion. Having an exchange rate between gold and real money will mean that neither auction house will ever be completely useless.
And why be upset at people who DO want to buy stuff? If they want to buy stuff with real money that's their prerogative even if it's "cheating the game" from your point of view. If you're the one selling items, you make money off their "lack of integrity".
And yes, a system that displays whether something was traded for or picked up yourself could be a reasonable solution, but such a thing could just end up fueling the flames of animosity between players. Perhaps if the distinction was between only things your character finds and anything that was never originally yours, whether it be traded from a friend or bought on either auction house like how your character name is implemented on things you craft in WoW, fitting with how the loot system works now (you only seeing your own loot and not having to spam click to pick stuff up.)
One last point:
If I could make put myself through college (unlikely) or even make a little cash playing a game I'll enjoy in my free time when I'm not working or studying, that's great! Earning money off playing Diablo is a bonus - something I couldn't do with other activities I find as enjoyable without spending innumerable hours honing my Starcraft 2, WoW, or Halo skills hoping to win money in a competition. With Diablo, the money (however much) seems like a sure thing given enough time.
With that, I think I'm done here.
What is the deal with resetting every game midway through the conversation as if someone just found the podcast on the radio dial?
"In case you just tuned in, we're talking about Insanely Twisted Shadow Planet, part of the Xbox Live Summer of Arcade..."
Is this the official Petros and Money influence, Garnett?
"In case you just tuned in, we're talking about Insanely Twisted Shadow Planet, part of the Xbox Live Summer of Arcade..."
Is this the official Petros and Money influence, Garnett?
CarbonatedFalcon
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mik said:What is the deal with resetting every game midway through the conversation as if someone just found the podcast on the radio dial?
"In case you just tuned in, we're talking about Insanely Twisted Shadow Planet, part of the Xbox Live Summer of Arcade..."
Is this the official Petros and Money influence, Garnett?
I noticed that and thought it was kind of funny. This time I had my whole attention on the show, but sometimes if I'm playing a game or doing something else while listening I'll kind of zone out and forget what game they're talking about. If the segment goes on for awhile and the game isn't very distinctive or the discussion doesn't make it obvious...a friendly reminder may be useful. It was overly noticeable to the point of detriment in this episode though.
keeblerdrow
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The one thing that was just repeating in my head over and over in the RMAH discussion is "What about bind on pick up items?" If you want to ensure there's a certain level of I-earned-this to items and sets, just make them bind to character on pick up. You then limit what items can show up on any auction house at all and keep the show off factor of certain items of interest.
GodfatherX
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im working on a game flap app to remove andrea renea from any games or flaps in real time
I actually really like that he did that.mik said:What is the deal with resetting every game midway through the conversation as if someone just found the podcast on the radio dial?
"In case you just tuned in, we're talking about Insanely Twisted Shadow Planet, part of the Xbox Live Summer of Arcade..."
Is this the official Petros and Money influence, Garnett?
perryfarrell
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I can't believe these guys covered the Diablo 3 Auction House issue without ONCE mentioning the sale of items in Diablo 2... Or touching on the issue of whether this system will encourage or discourage gold farming.
Still my favorite gaming podcast tho.
Still my favorite gaming podcast tho.
CarbonatedFalcon
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keeblerdrow said:
I think that just goes against the philosophy of Diablo game design though. Not having many restrictions on who can use items is part of what makes Diablo Diablo instead of another game.
Implementing a binding system with the sheer quantity of loot you will get is not an insignificant design challenge as well. How do you balance that? Loot tables for the individual player, rather than a group would make that Uber-BoP bow useless for your Wizard. Seeing a dialogue with any frequency confirming whether you want to pick something up would interrupt the flow in an unacceptable way for an ARPG except in extreme cases.
What I'm saying is - you'd have to rethink the way loot works completely, and doing that would probably end up taking the soul out of the game.
perryfarrell said:
As I said in my other post, Garnett didn't mention or was ignorant to the fact that you can also buy/sell gold through the AH as well which weakens or destroys at least part of his argument. The segment was mostly just repeating the reactionary responses without addressing all the facts that I've seen on various forums. Finding discussion that goes beyond the superficial is very difficult right now.
perryfarrell
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CarbonatedFalcon said:
It seemed to me that he was aware of these things. They were pretty up to date as far as details were concerned.
It was just an odd discussion that didn't do the issue justice. Which is weird considering some of them like Diable 2 a lot.
pieatorium
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lol man garnett should have maybe researched the rmh at bit more. They have said there will be a number of free listings PER WEEK. And predicting $1-$5 per auction lol wtf.
LOL I just got to the main part of the rant lol wow
LOL I just got to the main part of the rant lol wow
So I'm about an hour in and I just half to say that I don't mind Andrea being in podcast. I think she has a good voice and gets along great with the fellas. I just wish she wouldn't talk about video games that she hasn't played. I feel like she doesn't play nearly enough games to really contribute through the whole thing. So talk about what you have played, and then be in the background for the rest.
CarbonatedFalcon
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Kintaro said:
I could see $1 listing fees happening (though I think it will be lower), but even suggesting $5 listing fees was ludicrous for a multitude of reasons.
SkinnyPupp
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Added one for Andrea (no White Knights here I assume, unlike the Shacknews thread).Weekend Confirmed Drinking Game said:
DragonKnight
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Will pregame to this show when school starts back up
Rickenslacker
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I liked the Wintercoasts music in this episode.
CartridgeBlower
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I wonder how someone like Patrick Klepek, who has gone on record as saying he considers himself a journalist first, would respond to Garnett's 'there is no such thing as game journalism and there never will be' argument.
Visualante
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Thanks for the show, I'm cutting down on my beer but I can justify playing tha drinking game next week.
GodfatherX
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the term is very loose, but to hear some of these "anti games journalism" types youd think nobody qualifies unless they've had an interview with the pope, the president, or worked for a handful of news outlets.CartridgeBlower said:
CartridgeBlower said:
Haven't listened yet, but I imagine he's referencing investigative journalism. Patrick does it, as Luke Smith before him. I think both of those guys did/do a fantastic job (I've gone on record several times: enthusiast press stopped being fun for me the moment Bungie hired Luke Smith away from the biz), but it's a tough angle to work when you are so reliant on publishers for early access, advance release copies, etc.
He may not have articulated his point very well, but if that's what he was working towards, then I have to agree.
RiccochetJ
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Haha! Listening to Garnett freak out right now.
Garnett mad! Garnett smash!
Andrea's laugh is infectious. And I love that Cannata loves things. Xav is like an awesome Zen master.
Great episode all!
Garnett mad! Garnett smash!
Andrea's laugh is infectious. And I love that Cannata loves things. Xav is like an awesome Zen master.
Great episode all!
Andrea thinks the Vita will be able to play all PS3 software? That is never going to happen, it's just not possible.
There are only two ways that would be possible:
1) the Vita was crap load more powerfull then the PS3 and could do perfect emulation
2) Identical hardware is inside(like the Turbo Grafx 16 and the Turbo Duo)
Neither of these things is true.
Besides, PS3 downloadable and retail games have been created in an enviroment where filesizes were not an issue. File sizes of downloadable games for the Vita are indeed an issue as memory is not as available and inexpensive to upgrade since it looks like the Vita will come with little to no internal storage and those cards are going to be a lot smaller and a lot more expensive then 2.5" SATA drives.
There are only two ways that would be possible:
1) the Vita was crap load more powerfull then the PS3 and could do perfect emulation
2) Identical hardware is inside(like the Turbo Grafx 16 and the Turbo Duo)
Neither of these things is true.
Besides, PS3 downloadable and retail games have been created in an enviroment where filesizes were not an issue. File sizes of downloadable games for the Vita are indeed an issue as memory is not as available and inexpensive to upgrade since it looks like the Vita will come with little to no internal storage and those cards are going to be a lot smaller and a lot more expensive then 2.5" SATA drives.
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
Garnett raging was great haha.
Garnett is a fucking idiot. His entire Diablo argument boils down to "people should play the way I want them to play."
Fuck you dude. Guess what, there is zero reason you ever need to interact with the auction house or with people who use it. The fuck do you care how people enjoy their game?
Fuck you dude. Guess what, there is zero reason you ever need to interact with the auction house or with people who use it. The fuck do you care how people enjoy their game?
You know what? I'm glad Garnett raged on the show. I'm glad that he expressed his opinion with vigor and enthusiasm because it really shows how much he really cares that the game might go down a potentially self destructive path.
I wish more people just said what they felt on these podcasts and tried to be a little less formal.
I wish more people just said what they felt on these podcasts and tried to be a little less formal.
I disagree, making an argument while yelling and swearing doesn't validate the argument being made. Passion and enthusiasm are completely irrelevant. Spend more time thinking through your position and the opposition and argue it convincingly. Yelling and screaming is for toddlers and jackasses.Negator said:
That said, it is entertaining, certainly, when someone flips their shit.
Negator said:
Except he made a terrible argument, and came off as childish with his yelling and swearing with no substance to his argument.
Considering that Blizzard already said there would be some free listings per player every week, it's quite obvious that listing fees will only hit power sellers, which would be the gold farmer type people. Also, his argument about the thought that someone out there might have paid for loot driving him mad is retarded because it happens in WoW too with gold sellers, only on Ebay instead of in-game, but he didn't ragequit WoW because of it. It also happens in every single other MMO.
All Blizzard is doing is cutting out Ebay or random-Russian-site, gold selling would happen between players whether or not they allow it in-game.
njean777
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I listened to the show, and admit I will not be buying Diablo 3. I do not think Garnett was fully right in his argument, because he never even brought up the other major factor people were angry about, which is the always online DRM.
Still love the show, and the journalist line was very subjective. Like most other people said Patrick Klepek and a few others do actually perform journalism.
Still love the show, and the journalist line was very subjective. Like most other people said Patrick Klepek and a few others do actually perform journalism.
While I do know their reasoning behind the real money auction house and it actually doesn't bother me too much personally, I completely understand Garnett's point of view.
I played D2 with a group of friends recently and was having a ton of fun. Then, one of my friends started buying items. The game felt cheapened and sour when he did that and it literally killed the interest of the game for everyone else.
It really kind of does fundamentally alter your perception of the game when something like that happens...well, at least it did for me. They have a few opportunities to differentiate players who bought items and people who didn't, like a 'Never equipped an auction house item' mark for your banner or tagging sold items when you inspect people. I think something like that could go a long way for the game.
I played D2 with a group of friends recently and was having a ton of fun. Then, one of my friends started buying items. The game felt cheapened and sour when he did that and it literally killed the interest of the game for everyone else.
It really kind of does fundamentally alter your perception of the game when something like that happens...well, at least it did for me. They have a few opportunities to differentiate players who bought items and people who didn't, like a 'Never equipped an auction house item' mark for your banner or tagging sold items when you inspect people. I think something like that could go a long way for the game.
The computer I'll be playing Diablo 3 on is always online anyway, so that DRM doesn't bother me.
Of course, that would never happen because it would deter people from using the store, and Blizzard wants money.
They glossed over that argument but I think it might work. Put a little icon on each item of a person's inventory if they bought it from the store.Negator said:
Of course, that would never happen because it would deter people from using the store, and Blizzard wants money.