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[Succinct Verbosity]

Don't care that much that they have 4 women this time around, but they missed a golden opportunity not having Tina Fey and Amy Poheler somewhere in that group.

Well, when an all female cast was rumoured these two names popped up and I was fully on board with an all-female ghostbusters. These guys though? I don't know. We'll see.

 

[googleplex]

That's just how OT GAF is. If you don't automatically hate white males then they try to paint you as a bad person. It's really quite sad.

Strawmen. Strawmen everywhere!


Won't someone please think of the white males!

 

[elyetis]

Melissa McCarthy is probably one of the most consistently successful comedy stars in the past few years. Even her film, Tammy, which was hated by both audiences and critics, still managed to make $85 million.

I guess it say more about my lack of culture outside of most mainstream us series then. ^ ^

 

[WordAssassin]

I just don't see how gender is so integral to the ghostbusters characters.

I think this is where your hangup is, and what's making it hard for you to understand all the uproar.

For a lot of people, the Ghostbusters ARE Ray, Peter, Egon, and Winston. If you rebooted the movie, you would get new actors playing Ray, Peter, Egon, and Winston. If you made a Ghostbusters cartoon, it would be about Ray, Peter, Egon, and Winston. If you made a Ghostbusters comic, or a video game, it would be about those specific four characters because they ARE the Ghostbusters and they have been for 30 years.

So it would be one thing to reboot it and suddenly we have Rachel, Patty, Ellen, and Winona. But we aren't even getting that. The four main characters that have represented Ghostbusters for 30 years are now completely gone from Ghostbusters. Now it's four new and completely unrelated people and we're supposed to accept that they're the Ghostbusters.

I'd like to think that the same uproar would be made if they rebooted it with men and made it Tim, Richard, Gary, and Sam. They aren't The Ghostbusters. It's like I said in the other post, you can add new Ghostbusters, and you can recast the actors, but you can't just get rid of the core group of Ray, Peter, Egon, and Winston because for almost everyone (and this is why the sequel took so fucking long to make in the first place, cause nobody wanted to do it without them) they ARE the Ghostbusters.

This type of stuff isn't bannable?

Not sure what this adds to the discussion.

Have you seen Ghostbusters? There's a scene where Ray is sleeping and he gets woken up by a female ghost that sucks his dick. Now we're gonna have a female Ghostbusters movie. Is one of the girls going to get fingered by a ghost? Since it's a woman being molested this time and not a man (because men can't be raped, remember) would that kind of scene cause a huge backlash? It's a legitimate stream of discussion, albiet crass as hell.

 

[MMaRsu]

That's certainly not what you were saying earlier:

Ok you know what? I dont care what you are trying to prove here. I know who I am and that I have nothing against women or black people.

 

[Kain]

Who are those people? Did I read right? Ghostbusters? Why?

 

[UncleCross]

Strawmen. Strawmen everywhere!


Won't someone please think of the white males!

You're not very smart, are you?

 

[bryanee]

Have you seen Ghostbusters? There's a scene where Ray is sleeping and he gets woken up by a female ghost that sucks his dick.

I'm pretty sure he was dreaming. He was wearing some kind military costume after all and in a different room to what they actually sleep in.

 

[Atrophis]

That's just how OT GAF is. If you don't automatically hate white males then they try to paint you as a bad person. It's really quite sad.

Go back to KotakuInAction, I think you'd like it more there.

 

[bengraven]

It's sad because I want this to be good, just to keep the franchise fresh and on people's minds.

Like Jurassic Park, it's a franchise that's been successful outside of movies but people seem to have a hard time translating that into a new edition/reboot for the screen.

It's a great, well thought of franchise with tons and TONS of potential and no one has done anything with it in 25 years or so. Why let it die?

 

[googleplex]

You're not very smart, are you?

Unless you can point out these people that think you're a bad person for "hating white males" then you're as ridiculous as your post was.

 

[MMaRsu]

It's sad because I want this to be good, just to keep the franchise fresh and on people's minds.

Like Jurassic Park, it's a franchise that's been successful outside of movies but people seem to have a hard time translating that into a new edition/reboot for the screen.

It's a great, well thought of franchise with tons and TONS of potential and no one has done anything with it in 25 years or so. Why let it die?

Id rather they let bttf die then reboot it.

 

[Beefy]

Is this supposed to be funny?

I thought the same.

 

[MThanded]

That's just how OT GAF is. If you don't automatically hate white males then they try to paint you as a bad person. It's really quite sad.

What am I reading?

 

[Nappuccino]

For a lot of people, the Ghostbusters ARE Ray, Peter, Egon, and Winston. If you rebooted the movie, you would get new actors playing Ray, Peter, Egon, and Winston. If you made a Ghostbusters cartoon, it would be about Ray, Peter, Egon, and Winston. If you made a Ghostbusters comic, or a video game, it would be about those specific four characters because they ARE the Ghostbusters and they have been for 30 years.


Have you seen Ghostbusters? There's a scene where Ray is sleeping and he gets woken up by a female ghost that sucks his dick. Now we're gonna have a female Ghostbusters movie. Is one of the girls going to get fingered by a ghost? Since it's a woman being molested this time and not a man (because men can't be raped, remember) would that kind of scene cause a huge backlash? It's a legitimate stream of discussion, albiet crass as hell.

They did make a cartoon staring not Ray, Peter, Egon, and Winston.

Although, I guess Egon was there? Certainly not the whole team.

and two: why do you expect this film to make the same exact jokes? Do you want them to rehash the ghostly fellatio bit, really? The Ghostbusters isn't just about the exact jokes that occurred during the film, but about the characters fighting both each other and larger forces (the city, ghosts, and demons) to save everyone. If the film keeps that dynamic, even with new characters, it'll be a Ghostbusters film.

 

[bengraven]

I'm pretty sure he was dreaming. He was wearing some kind military costume after all and in a different room to what they actually sleep in.

You're right, he was dreaming.

In the theatrical cut.

In the original version, it was longer and actually happened. There was a deleted scene where the guys are sleeping over at an old fort, which is why he's wearing all those clothes.

 

[Rabbi_Vole]

I'm pretty sure he was dreaming. He was wearing some kind military costume after all and in a different room to what they actually sleep in.

I don't believe it was meant to be a dream.

 

[liquidtmd]

It's sad because I want this to be good, just to keep the franchise fresh and on people's minds.

Like Jurassic Park, it's a franchise that's been successful outside of movies but people seem to have a hard time translating that into a new edition/reboot for the screen.

It's a great, well thought of franchise with tons and TONS of potential and no one has done anything with it in 25 years or so. Why let it die?

It's interesting in that I can't think there would be any care nor comment if the new Jurassic World was helmed by women. I wouldn't care at all despite loving that franchise in equal measure.

 

[tattooed_dwarf]

So since we aren't discussing human rights in the Congo you can drive by post about "ghost rape"

Maybe you should inform moderators then. Backseat moderating doesn't add anything to discussion either.


On topic:
To me problem with gender swap is that originals were buddy movies between 4 guys with strong female supporting actors. Now it loses some of that original charm before filming even have started. I mean in my mind, I relate and care more of guy buddy movies than girl cast buddy movies. But I'm open to be proven other wise, this cast doesn't have charisma this needs.

 

[neorej]

They did make a cartoon staring not Ray, Peter, Egon, and Winston.

Although, I guess Egon was there? Certainly not the whole team.

and two: why do you expect this film to make the same exact jokes? Do you want them to rehash the ghostly fellatio bit, really? The Ghostbusters isn't just about the exact jokes that occurred during the film, but about the characters fighting both each other and larger forces (the city, ghosts, and demons) to save everyone. If the film keeps that dynamic, even with new characters, it'll be a Ghostbusters film.

Why not expect it? The announced cast is a carbon copy of the original cast, why not the rest of the production?

It's interesting in that I can't think there would be any care nor comment if the new Jurassic World was helmed by women. I wouldn't care at all despite loving that franchise in equal measure.

Isn't Hammond's role as park-owner transferred to a woman in JW?

 

[WordAssassin]

You've listed a number of significant changes that have already been revealed and then say that "we're getting the exact same origin story again."

Does not compute.

It computes perfectly fine. They're getting rid of all the staples from the Ghostbusters franchise. Location, characters, car, weapons, gone. Meanwhile, they're wasting the opportunity to tell a brand new story, and instead are just retelling the story of ghosts first appearing and a group of people fighting them.

I already said, if "people fight ghosts" is enough to make a movie Ghostbusters for you, then go for it man.

Where did you get all that info from?

I'm interested to know the premise for this film.

I was looking for the Peter Dinklage article from a while ago and I just googled "Ghostbusters reboot plot" and it's like the first article.

 

[mcrommert]

They did make a cartoon staring not Ray, Peter, Egon, and Winston.

Although, I guess Egon was there? Certainly not the whole team.

and two: why do you expect this film to make the same exact jokes? Do you want them to rehash the ghostly fellatio bit, really? The Ghostbusters isn't just about the exact jokes that occurred during the film, but about the characters fighting both each other and larger forces (the city, ghosts, and demons) to save everyone. If the film keeps that dynamic, even with new characters, it'll be a Ghostbusters film.

Yep and that cartoon was hot garbage

You should watch The Real Ghostbusters which is the cartoon that has the original characters...its not good because of that it is good because they have worldclass writers

Ghostbusters to me is those characters for anything live action...that was what worked in those movies not so much the storyline or the actual ghostbusting...without that i have zero interest

EDIT: SFX said of Extreme Ghostbusters (which is the show the picture is from) "the appeal of Ghostbusters was only partially the concept... that it's the characters we love above all must be a sobering thought for anyone charged with rebooting Ghostbusters again" The show failed miserably

Once again this is Hollywood looking for the next franchise to monetize forever

 

[Ol No Bones]

Ok you know what? I dont care what you are trying to prove here. I know who I am and that I have nothing against women or black people.

Any conversation involving race or gender is now just a means for several people to get on their high horse and call everything racist or sexist if they don't agree with what you say. They don't know your heart but they will judge you and dissect your words trying to find some sort of hateful code language.

I personally have no problem with a female cast for Ghostbusters but I'm not really a fan of the movie so I don't have any connection to the other characters. I don't think its sexist because you expect a films reboot to contain the same characters you know and love.

 

[WordAssassin]

I'm pretty sure he was dreaming. He was wearing some kind military costume after all and in a different room to what they actually sleep in.

They edited it to look like a dream but the scene is actually them camped out at an old fortress.

They did make a cartoon staring not Ray, Peter, Egon, and Winston.

Although, I guess Egon was there? Certainly not the whole team.

and two: why do you expect this film to make the same exact jokes? Do you want them to rehash the ghostly fellatio bit, really? The Ghostbusters isn't just about the exact jokes that occurred during the film, but about the characters fighting both each other and larger forces (the city, ghosts, and demons) to save everyone. If the film keeps that dynamic, even with new characters, it'll be a Ghostbusters film.

1) Egon and Janine are in that, as is the firehouse, the Ecto 1, and [modified but still garage kit] proton packs. For the series finale Peter, Ray, and Winston show up too. I said, you can add to the team, but you can't just get rid of them. Extreme Ghostbusters is also a direct sequel to Real Ghostbusters, not a reboot.

Also, it had Slimer, which is ANOTHER staple this reboot will be missing.

2) I don't expect it to or even want it to I was just saying that the person asking about Ghost Sex had a legitimate question and wasn't just trying to make drive by posting flame bait. I didn't mean to imply that I hoped they'd make that same joke, or any of the same jokes (which I 100% fear they will do, to be cheeky as callbacks to the original movies, ugh).

 

[bengraven]

It's interesting in that I can't think there would be any care nor comment if the new Jurassic World was helmed by women. I wouldn't care at all despite loving that franchise in equal measure.

I don't care either way as long as we're getting movies with the same lore. I'm all about them trying something with women. Should be an interesting dynamic.

Take the newest volume of "X-men", with an all-female team. I love the franchise, doesn't change anything. It's great, there's no two page pin up shots of half naked women - in fact there's very little if any fan service at all: it's just women kicking ass with great art and it's got good stories to the point I keep forgetting it's all woman team.

 

[Yrael]

Ok you know what? I dont care what you are trying to prove here. I know who I am and that I have nothing against women or black people.

I just genuinely wanted to ask if you could write out a lengthier explanation about why an all-female or all-black lead cast for this particular movie would destroy the wittiness and charm of the film before you know anything about it, because that's what I was getting from your posts and I was taken aback by it. It is something that I'd like to explore a little more deeply - it's one thing if you think the particular cast chosen don't have any chemistry with each other and wouldn't be able to match the original film's humour, but quite another entirely if the basis is solely their gender or race not being the same as the original cast.

I was too blunt and accusatory though for a decent conversation to happen, so for that I apologise.

Would you say that this post by WordAssassin explains your position a little more closely?

I think this is where your hangup is, and what's making it hard for you to understand all the uproar.

For a lot of people, the Ghostbusters ARE Ray, Peter, Egon, and Winston. If you rebooted the movie, you would get new actors playing Ray, Peter, Egon, and Winston. If you made a Ghostbusters cartoon, it would be about Ray, Peter, Egon, and Winston. If you made a Ghostbusters comic, or a video game, it would be about those specific four characters because they ARE the Ghostbusters and they have been for 30 years.

So it would be one thing to reboot it and suddenly we have Rachel, Patty, Ellen, and Winona. But we aren't even getting that. The four main characters that have represented Ghostbusters for 30 years are now completely gone from Ghostbusters. Now it's four new and completely unrelated people and we're supposed to accept that they're the Ghostbusters.

I'd like to think that the same uproar would be made if they rebooted it with men and made it Tim, Richard, Gary, and Sam. They aren't The Ghostbusters. It's like I said in the other post, you can add new Ghostbusters, and you can recast the actors, but you can't just get rid of the core group of Ray, Peter, Egon, and Winston because for almost everyone (and this is why the sequel took so fucking long to make in the first place, cause nobody wanted to do it without them) they ARE the Ghostbusters.

 

[BertramCooper]

It computes perfectly fine. They're getting rid of all the staples from the Ghostbusters franchise. Location, characters, car, weapons, gone. Meanwhile, they're wasting the opportunity to tell a brand new story, and instead are just retelling the story of ghosts first appearing and a group of people fighting them.

I already said, if "people fight ghosts" is enough to make a movie Ghostbusters for you, then go for it man.

You're complaining about how they're changing everything and then complaining about how it's the exact same origin story.

You seriously can't see how strange and inconsistent that is?

 

[sploatee]

Hur hur Melissa McCarthy as slimer because she's FAT HUR HUR HUR /s

 

[J10]

the ongoing persecution of white males has got to end

 

[Sou Da]

I hope the film is as funny as this. I am actually enjoying my breakfast to the fuckery in this thread.

 

[DoktorEvil]

That's just how OT GAF is. If you don't automatically hate white males then they try to paint you as a bad person. It's really quite sad.

You're not very smart, are you?

You like to play contrarian dontcha?

Haven't you noticed? It's only immoral if you missed out/couldn't get in on the exploit. Otherwise it's totally moral...or at least that's what people try to convince themselves of.

It's interesting that you are trying to criticize his reading comprehension, yet you seem to be unable to craft anything resembling a coherent sentence.

Do you really think the best way to make your point is to insult everyone that liked the game?

Yes, on this forum it's considered subpar. But I'm fairly certain it was well-received elsewhere.

You should REALLY find some other place to shit up threads that isn't GAF.

 

[xenist]

the ongoing persecution of white males has got to end

The struggle is real.

 

[Slayven]

I don't see the problem, at least nerds got 2 great movies and a bobby brown song. Shit, Fantastic Four fans haven't even gotten that much.

 

[Agent Gibbs]

I can see the point that an all female cast may make this film appeal more to women than perhaps Ghostbusters did, just going by my own female friends view on facebook today reacting to the news....
but some of the views expressed in here seem very black/white generalising that men only like men films and women only like women films...the world isn't that black and white, its quite shameful how this is an issue about the female cast

My problem with this as i tried to point out before is the casting choices (not gender of), and just the whole reboot idea.

Cast wise:
love Wig i'm happy with her but its the others, from reactions it seems the two i've not heard of before (McKinnon/Jones) are not very well thought of, or rather just haven't stood out, this worries me a little, BUT look at the original GB cast, also had newbies and look how that worked....

But Its McCarthy i've not liked her in anything, not in birdesmaides (which as a film grew on me), not mike or molly, not anything else. You can blame it on scripts but it seems either she or writers take her into a general role of the fat loud woman and its a tired trope its not funny to me at all, its just very low brow humour that i get the feel we are just meant to laugh at her not with her

All the other names i mentioned previously (Emma Stone, Tina Fey, Amy Pholer, Jenifer Lawrence, Elisha Duschu) would have been great for the cast, and i'd love one of them to replace McCarthy

I suppose the cast also need to have a good rapport and chemistry, i'm not sure how that would work, Wig and McCarthy didn't work for me in Bridesmaids at all.

Casting aside, because that could work, McCarthy could break her rut.....but to reboot?

So rather than do a continuation of the story, set many years later where they can have the cast dead, only known in file footage or lost in a ghostly portal saving the world, they go for the current Hollywood trend of a complete reboot

This way it seems the only similarity to the unavoidable legacy this film will have is that 4 people fight ghosts, it makes it seem like its almost unrelated to the Ghostbusters as a franchise, it could just be any horror comedy with ghosts!
That has certainly gotten the very active ghostbusters fan community up in arms (i myself am a long time fan with my own Proton Pack i built and the rest of the kit)

I honestly believe if they said this was a sequel set long after 1 + 2 that most of the hate would not occur, hell if they came out in the upcoming months and said Dan Akroyd was involved and it would turn out to be a sequel directly or indirectly, i'd be ecstatic

 

[J10]

I don't see the problem, at least nerds got 2 great movies and a bobby brown song. Shit, Fantastic Four fans haven't even gotten that much.

I don't want to live in a world where Ghostbusters>Fantastic Four. It's not right.

 

[Slayven]

Folks are only as progressive as they want to be.


If they announced an all female cast for an Ice Pirates remake, my only thought would be that the factory scene would be really fucked up.

I don't want to live in a world where Ghostbusters>Fantastic Four. It's not right.

We going to live in a world where Black Panther is going to be stunning on everybody, live and in technicolor.

 

[liquidtmd]

You're complaining about how they're changing everything and then complaining about how it's the exact same origin story.

You seriously can't see how strange and inconsistent that is?

Take it if this were Batman. You can have the same fundamental story but remove the secondary elements. Would it still be Batman if Batman Begins had called him Dave (or indeed Dana) Wayne and removed all the historical franchise elements such the Bat-Cave, Alfred, Batarangs, the death of his parents, to the point where the only similarities left were that he wore a kinda Bat-Suit (just because) and fought crime?

 

[Triggerhappytel]

I'm not racist or anything, but I feel like giving more screen time to the black character takes away from the spirit of the originals. If you wanted a movie with a black lead why call it ghostbusters? Why not make something else?

Lol. "I'm not racist or anything but I'm going to make a comment that sounds pretty racist".

 

[El Topo]

Lol. "I'm not racist or anything but I'm going to make a comment that sounds pretty racist".

If you look at peterb0y's comments it should be obvious he is trying to point out the sexism (or at least the flaws) in certain posts/arguments/thoughts by showing that if you replaced women/female with black, you would get a comment that one might call "pretty racist".

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Take it if this were Batman. You can have the same fundamental story but remove the secondary elements. Would it still be Batman if Batman Begins had called him Dave (or indeed Dana) Wayne and removed all the historical franchise elements such the Bat-Cave, Alfred, Batarangs, the death of his parents, to the point where the only similarities left were that he wore a kinda Bat-Suit (just because) and fought crime?

Ghostbusters was 2 flicks

Batman's been around for damn near 80 years, and with a lot of variations



They should make Bobby Brown the new mayor

 

[dork]

this movie will BOMB super hard and im guessing a less than 20% on RT. Bookmark this.

 

[Slayven]

I'm not racist or anything, but I feel like giving more screen time to the black character takes away from the spirit of the originals. If you wanted a movie with a black lead why call it ghostbusters? Why not make something else?

Whats wrong with you?

 

[ElyrionX]

Could that possibly be because there's a dearth of female-centric tentpole film franchises in the first place?

Then start creating those franchises from scratch. Why fuck around with an established and beloved franchise?

 

[Secret Fawful]

I'd love to see an all-female, all-black A-Team reboot, even if it would probably put MMaRsu into cardiac arrest. Get Pam Grier in that shit. Same for Ghostbusters too.

 

[WordAssassin]

You're complaining about how they're changing everything and then complaining about how it's the exact same origin story.

You seriously can't see how strange and inconsistent that is?

I will try to explain myself better.

Feig is making a rebooted Ghostbusters movie. Ghostbusters was about a group of people who set up shop in a firehouse and drove a hearse and used proton packs they built themselves to capture ghosts like Slimer.

In all iterations of the franchise, those four people live in that firehouse and drive that car and use those weapons to fight ghosts like Slimer.

In Feig's movie, he is telling the story of how four people fight ghosts. However in Feig's version there are no longer those four characters or firehouse or car or weapons or Slimer.

So Fieg, IMO, is not making a Ghostbusters movie, because everything that makes Ghostbusters Ghostbusters IS NOT IN HIS GHOSTBUSTERS MOVIE. The story of four people coming together to fight ghosts is NOT what makes Ghostbusters Ghostbusters. Four people fighting ghosts can be ANY movie. Four people fighting ghosts is a movie called 13 Ghosts. It has not only been done before in dozens of movies but it has been done before in a Ghostbusters movie.

I am complaining that he is removing the staples of the Ghostbusters franchise from his Ghostbusters movie. I am complaining that the story he is choosing to tell under the name "Ghostbusters" is a story that has been done already.

I am complaining about two separate things. I did not mean to lump them into one confusing complaint but this thread started moving really fast and it's almost 6:30am and I've yet to go to sleep so if I'm still not making sense, that might be why. I feel like I can complain that he's removing things that make the movie Ghostbusters while also complaining that he's retelling a story that we've seen before instead of writing a new one, and have those two complaints make sense. They aren't mutually exclusive or something. Jesus I'm fuckin tired.

I said, he's removing what makes Ghostbusters, Ghostbusters. You said, how. I listed all the franchise staples he's taken away. Now that he's changed it so much, he's telling the same fucking story of people discovering ghosts, but everything else is gone. If you're going to take everything that makes Ghostbusters Ghostbusters out of the movie, then tell an original story and don't call your movie Ghostbusters. Otherwise what's the fucking point? It's not Ghostbusters anymore.

Edit:

So rather than do a continuation of the story, set many years later where they can have the cast dead, only known in file footage or lost in a ghostly portal saving the world, they go for the current Hollywood trend of a complete reboot

This way it seems the only similarity to the unavoidable legacy this film will have is that 4 people fight ghosts, it makes it seem like its almost unrelated to the Ghostbusters as a franchise, it could just be any horror comedy with ghosts!

YES EXACTLY THANK YOU

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

I had no idea people rode this hard for Ghostbusters

 

[Vagabundo]

Are the Keymaster and Gatekeeper going to be in it? One of my favourite bits.

I suppose it could be good, but is smells like a smelly reboot. I'm not holding out much hope.

And I suppose if they were going to do something with it and they couldn't get the original cast they might as well mix it all up.

I doubt I'll go see it unless it gets amazing reviews though.

EDIT: and when this tanks - I've a feeling it will - everyone will blame the casting of female leads and not the butchering of a childhood favorite movie.

Is Sigourney Weaver coming in as a cameo? They'd be stupid not too.

 

[Freedom = $1.05]

this movie will BOMB super hard and im guessing a less than 20% on RT. Bookmark this.

Given that Paul Feig worked on Freaks and Geeks, Arrested Development, and Bridesmaids and that The Heat, which i feel was one of his worst works, score a fresh rating at 65%, well, i think you're going to eat some well done crow on this one

 

[spindashing]

A lot of us called this, right down to the actress who would diversify things.

You know what? I'll give it a chance. I'm not the biggest fan of McCarthy but this probably won't be too bad.

 

[Yrael]

Whats wrong with you?

I think that post is meant to be satire.

That's just how OT GAF is. If you don't automatically hate white males then they try to paint you as a bad person. It's really quite sad.

Any conversation involving race or gender is now just a means for several people to get on their high horse and call everything racist or sexist if they don't agree with what you say. They don't know your heart but they will judge you and dissect your words trying to find some sort of hateful code language.

at the bolded.

Anyway, I do think I was being too combative, so I sent a PM to MMaRsu to make amends.