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[Malyse]

What?

How in the hell is an amiibo fixing a game?

Definitely One Thing?

I agree with your larger point, but your wording — "one thing" — implies that all TP was missing was an extra dungeon.

TP wasn't hurting for dungeons. It has the largest number of high-quality dungeons among all 3D Zeldas.

Where TP needs improvement is pacing. Especially the first hour — the tutorial sections would really benefit from streamlining.

I would have thought that the bolding would have made the sarcasm obvious. Twilight Princess HD sans Wolf Link amiibo is still an improved version of a complete game. An extra dungeon is a big "so fucking what?"

This is the same as complaining about DLC existing. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Unless you plan on 100% doing absolutely every single thing possible in the game, then don't worry about it. You were going to skip parts of it anyway, so this will just be another part you don't play.

 

[Rebel Leader]

For clarity on Splatoon, they are just a challenge mode based on story missions. The real content was the mid-tier gear you would get from those challenges.

which I see no one use today

 

[Kaisos]

I guess it's ok though when parts of a game are locked in a plastic toy.

Let's be real here it's okay because it's Nintendo.

Almost no one here is defending this? Reactions like this would make more sense if 90% of the posts in this thread weren't angry ones...

 

[God Dayumm]

Can amiibos be reused between several people? The figure would be a nice gift for a friend but I don't want clutter in my room

 

[SinCityAssassin]

Can amiibos be reused between several people? The figure would be a nice gift for a friend but I don't want clutter in my room

It will create a save file on your Amiibo, but there is absolutely no information whether or not the process is one and done or if you always have to scan the amiibo in to enter the dungeon.

 

[Choomp]

Oh noooooo

At least I just pre ordered the bundle

 

[Fate/Cipher]

Are people just trying to find things to be upset about?

Of course they are. As with any "bad industry practice" posts. Who cares? Games are a means of entertainment. If Nintendo incentivizing an investment into one of their hottest commodities is really affecting your quality of life for worse (clearly, it is), find a new hobby or better yet, support something you think is worth your money. Vote with your wallet. Since when has being negative on a message board ever led to anything positive? This one poster, GhostTrick, has spent such valuable time that is life, complaining about a game (of all things in life to complain about) he can avoid altogether. How sad is that?

 

[Oppo]

If nobody new there was an extra dungeon then those that were going to buy would buy, but to know that the Jones's are willing to part with the cost of an Amiibo or were lucky enough to have a limited edition one have extra content pisses people off. This is why I prefer animals to humans.

omg

apropos for "wolf Link"

I love amiibos even though I don't own any because they cause gaffers to go fucking CRAZY. hilariously crazy.

an earlier poster had it right I think - Amiibo fans will buy them no matter what so there's no reason to antagonize people who just want, you know, video games, by adding actual meaningful content behind an Amiibo lock. besides its just going to encourage those RFID spammer things.

 

[JazzmanZ]

Of course they are. As with any "bad industry practice" posts. Who cares? Games are a means of entertainment. If Nintendo incentivizing an investment into one of their hottest commodities is really affecting your quality of life for worse (clearly, it is), find a new hobby or better yet, support something you think is worth your money. Vote with your wallet. Since when has being negative on a message board ever led to anything positive? This one poster, GhostTrick, has spent such valuable time that is life, complaining about a game (of all things in life to complain about) he can avoid altogether. How sad is that?

games man, serious business

 

[JumpCancel]

Everybody getting offended when we have no details on the content of this Amiibo dungeon. If it's a sizable expansion with new weapons, story significance, new enemies etc. then locking something so important behind an Amiibo is a trend I don't want Nintendo to follow through with.

I may be naive but I don't think it'll be so dire. It will probably be a small little dungeon that takes advantage of Wolf links traversal capabilities. At least that's my assumption.

At the very least it won't be another mansion.

Spoiler

I'm going to get destroyed when it's another mansion, but I've preordered the amiibo bundle so I'll be safe within said mansion.

 

[Cipher Peon]

Of course they are. As with any "bad industry practice" posts. Who cares? Games are a means of entertainment. If Nintendo incentivizing an investment into one of their hottest commodities is really affecting your quality of life for worse (clearly, it is), find a new hobby or better yet, support something you think is worth your money. Vote with your wallet. Since when has being negative on a message board ever led to anything positive? This one poster, GhostTrick, has spent such valuable time that is life, complaining about a game (of all things in life to complain about) he can avoid altogether. How sad is that?

Not cool, man.

Games are an art form and their distribution methods should be questioned just as much as their content. Just because you or I am cool with it doesn't mean we should make fun of those who feel strongly on the opposite side, bro.

We should be acknowledging passion and criticism in order to improve ourselves, if we so choose to.

 

[Frumix]

Everybody getting offended when we have no details on the content of this Amiibo dungeon. If it's a sizable expansion with new weapons, story significance, new enemies etc. then locking something so important behind an Amiibo is a trend I don't want Nintendo to follow through with.

I may be naive but I don't think it'll be so dire. It will probably be a small little dungeon that takes advantage of Wolf links traversal capabilities. At least that's my assumption.

At the very least it won't be another mansion.

Spoiler

I'm going to get destroyed when it's another mansion, but I've preordered the amiibo bundle so I'll be safe within said mansion.

Who cares if it's important or not? It's a part of the game. Just like in all the Assassin's Creeds where they bait people to buy more expensive editions for an extra island or two with ultimately irrelevant content, but hey, it's Nintendo so it's okay when they do it.

 

[ScriptedReality]

I may be in the minority here but this doesn't bother me. Maybe I'm desensitized to it. I've always saw it as if I didn't pay for it and it isn't crucial to the game I don't care about it.

 

[King Gilga]

I hope it's some shitty 1 minute dungeon or else this is gross.

 

[Fate/Cipher]

Not cool, man.

Games are an art form and their distribution methods should be questioned just as much as their content. Just because you or I am cool with it doesn't mean we should make fun of those who feel strongly on the opposite side, bro.

We should be acknowledging passion and criticism in order to improve ourselves, if we so choose to.

Nobody is making fun of anybody. I just wonder how much of life people are missing out on because they choose to sit behind a computer raising their blood pressure by getting upset over something that can be avoided. Don't like Twilight Princess HD incentivizing Amiibo support? Buy the Wii version. Don't have a Wii? Buy the GameCube version. Don't have a GameCube? Emulate it. Don't want to buy the disc because Nintendo is evil? Pirate it. There is always a workaround, definitely so to entertainment such as games.

Also, I agree with the sentiment that games are art. I highly respect the people who entertain us for a living, from the college students learning UV to the high-profile directors.

 

[……forgetit]

I hope it's some shitty 1 minute dungeon or else this is gross.

Eh, I don't mind. I hope it's a two hour epic dungeon.

Spoiler

I pre-ordered the Amiibo.

 

[Cleve]

I wish people would decide finally if they want amiibo to be more useful in a game or not. It's getting annoying, this constant back and forth.

Yeah, I wish everyone had the same opinion all the time, just like every other point of interest. Makes sense.

Stick me in the don't lock dlc behind them camp. I think Amiibo are really shitty quality. Every time I look at my Link one I can't believe it cost $13. Keeping exclusive content tied to them is manipulative and shitty, I was tempted and bought in to it once, but I really just don't need more plastic garbage.

Where are the card equivalents for regular amiibo or or the purchase options for the content for people that have 0 interest in the figures?

 

[kyle-777-]

Nintendo should've the amiibo content as a normal DLC too. Then I would be "fine" with whatever they want to lock behind amiibos.

 

[GSG Flash]

This is pretty bullshit. Not liking this new "with the times" Nintendo. It feels like they're abusing their fans, whether it's this or the overpriced DLC for Smash.

 

[Stone Ocean]

I would have thought that the bolding would have made the sarcasm obvious. Twilight Princess HD sans Wolf Link amiibo is still an improved version of a complete game. An extra dungeon is a big "so fucking what?"

This is the same as complaining about DLC existing. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Unless you plan on 100% doing absolutely every single thing possible in the game, then don't worry about it. You were going to skip parts of it anyway, so this will just be another part you don't play.

That's not what this is about. At all.

DLC isn't constricted by physical availability, Amiibos are. It's not about wanting it for free, it's about being able to get it without being at the mercy of retailers in your region carrying the damn toy at a reasonable price regardless of what country you live in.

Put said dungeon on the eShop for purchase without limited/exclusive bullshit and voila, problem solved.

 

[tci]

So I guess you didn't buy games in the past 3-4 years?

Very few, yes.

 

[Chase17]

Well I've missed out on the bundle, so hopefully more gets in stock or the individual amiibo is plenty available (I think EU has confirmed that but not US, will likely happen though).

 

[Mr-Joker]

I love it how the people against Amiibo forget that they are multi use, heck Nintendo themselves said that the Wolf Link Amiibo will work in Zelda U.

But no let's complain because...reasons.

It would be ironic to add another dungeon to the most dungeon-rich 3D Zelda while Wind Waker HD stayed in dungeon poverty

Yep, this is the only thing that annoys me.

I really don't see how I'm overreacting, especially when I'm not even expecting more than a boss rush mode (at the very most).

Also, the Colour dungeon was literally 10 minutes worth of content and the exclusive GBA ring for the Oracle titles was nothing more than a single icon - it had no effect, passive or on demand. And those were rewards for purchasing an entire system, not an amiibo.

The colour dungeon gave you either the power or defense tunic, they were not minor things.

"Amiibo are shitty, they don't do anything substantial in-game."

"Amiibo are shitty, they do something substantial in-game."

Yep pretty much.

 

[Kaisos]

It feels like they're abusing their fans, whether it's this or the overpriced DLC for Smash.

Is it really overpriced? Characters alone in BlazBlue are eight dollars...

 

[ngower]

In a game that will take tens of hours to complete, people are pissed off that a figure that either (a) comes with the game or (b) can be purchased separately, and thus isn't something you MUST buy, locks maybe an hour of new content behind a figurine....I don't get you guys sometimes.

You either get the amiibo at no additional cost OR you don't buy it. And I bet half of you folks are the same ones who pre-order season passes of incomplete/unannounced DLC or whatever...just chill. Buy/play this content if you want don't if you don't.

 

[wild wild rice]

Fuck this and fuck amiibo.

 

[TDLink]

1. Let's wait to see what this "dungeon" actually is.
2. I fully expect there to be a healthy stock of the bundles at launch. Other games bundled with Amiibo have not had a problem

Assuming it is in fact a full fledged dungeon though and you have to buy the amiibo at an additional cost...yeah that kind of sucks. On the one hand you're still getting the entire Twilight Princess in HD plus the new features. This dungeon is just a bonus. On the other, that's still content locked behind a physical toy that you may not even be able to purchase, for a higher price than one dungeon probably should be.

But that's a lot of ifs...so let's wait until we know some facts.

 

[JumpCancel]

Who cares if it's important or not? It's a part of the game. Just like in all the Assassin's Creeds where they bait people to buy more expensive editions for an extra island or two with ultimately irrelevant content, but hey, it's Nintendo so it's okay when they do it.

Why do people always infer this line of thought when anybody tries to justify it or play devil advocate? I just don't care for the extra island in assassins creed or other baits of "irrelevant content". We know why they do it but I will be disappointing if it's well designed side content or carries extra story content, instead of the small twilight dungeon with marginal content that I expect.

I pro ordered my bundle because I wanted a physical copy and it was the first one available. It only costs me £35 in the UK (standard new release rather than an inflated "limited edition" price) and It happens to come with an amiibo.

I doubt it will be a substantial addition. That's why it doesn't bother me. If they started locking mansion level dungeons with extra weapons and new enemies and bosses behind amiibos, Nintendo need to fuck off. As I don't know what it is yet, I'm reserving judgment unlike a lot of people here.

It if would dampen the flames I can give my amiibo to GAF if you like?

 

[Malyse]

That's not what this is about. At all.

DLC isn't constricted by physical availability, Amiibos are. It's not about wanting it for free, it's about being able to get it without being at the mercy of retailers in your region carrying the damn toy at a reasonable price regardless of what country you live in.

Put said dungeon on the eShop for purchase without limited/exclusive bullshit and voila, problem solved.

Unless you plan on 100% doing absolutely every single thing possible in the game, then don't worry about it.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

Well I've missed out on the bundle, so hopefully more gets in stock or the individual amiibo is plenty available (I think EU has confirmed that but not US, will likely happen though).

Are you in the US? It's available on GS's site as I type this.

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

That's not what this is about. At all.

DLC isn't constricted by physical availability, Amiibos are. It's not about wanting it for free, it's about being able to get it without being at the mercy of retailers in your region carrying the damn toy at a reasonable price regardless of what country you live in.

Put said dungeon on the eShop for purchase without limited/exclusive bullshit and voila, problem solved.

And that's not even taking potential scalper bullshit into account.

 

[Stone Ocean]

Unless you plan on 100% doing absolutely every single thing possible in the game, then don't worry about it.

An extra dungeon isn't some completionist thing, specially when we're talking about Zelda.

This isn't some stupid fishing side quest mini game or something, it's a dungeon. It's something probably any Zelda fan would want to play through unless it's a bad dungeon like Ordeals in which case Nintendo can use the Wolf Amiibo as a butt plug.

 

[Chase17]

Are you in the US? It's available on GS's site as I type this.

Oh really, I usually just use Amazon and didn't realize it will still available elsewhere. I'll have to go order that now. Thanks!

 

[also]

Of course they are. As with any "bad industry practice" posts. Who cares? Games are a means of entertainment. If Nintendo incentivizing an investment into one of their hottest commodities is really affecting your quality of life for worse (clearly, it is), find a new hobby or better yet, support something you think is worth your money. Vote with your wallet. Since when has being negative on a message board ever led to anything positive? This one poster, GhostTrick, has spent such valuable time that is life, complaining about a game (of all things in life to complain about) he can avoid altogether. How sad is that?

Here you go
http://time.com/94738/nintendo-apology-tomodachi-life/

You are on a gaming message board, so you should you should stop lecturing other people about them wasting valuable time. Not to mention that you're spending your valuable time lamenting anonymous people online. How sad is that?

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Didn't they do something similar with Smash Bros when they accidentally revealed a board game mode that turned out to be Smash Tour? That lead to a lot of speculation that in turn lead to tears.

More than Smash Tour, in addition, the Stage Builder and Master/Crazy orders were leaked in the same paragraph.

 

[Malyse]

An extra dungeon isn't some completionist thing, specially when we're talking about Zelda.

So Twilight Princess wasn't complete without this dungeon, yes? We've had an incomplete game for the last decade?

 

[OrbitalBeard]

Oh really, I usually just use Amazon and didn't realize it will still available elsewhere. I'll have to go order that now. Thanks!

Glad to help. And keep checking Amazon too. They'll likely get it back in (they've already restocked it a couple of times). It's easy to cancel GS pre-orders if Amazon gets more in stock.

 

[Bending_Unit_22]

I've always been in the camp that Amiibos should be decorations for... dedicated fans or at most should only unlock things that can be had via other means. That being said, I highly doubt this "dungeon" will be of any consequence so for now I'm holding my anger. I was really looking forward to this game but if it's a real dungeon I'll find other games on which to spend my money.

Exactly the reason why I don't want to support amiibos.

Yeah, as a Nintendo fan from the beginning their adoption of, what I consider to be bad, industry practices is bothersome.

Who else can charge that much money for so little content, and get gleeful reactions?

Well some people, and that's not to say fans of other systems/games don't do the same. I just remember the days when they were ridiculed for it by Nintendo fans for it, and rightly so imho.

If Nintendo incentivizing an investment into one of their hottest commodities is really affecting your quality of life for worse (clearly, it is), find a new hobby or better yet, support something you think is worth your money. Vote with your wallet.

Or find other makers of video games. I'm spending more on video games now than I have since the early-Wii/mid-DS years but less than ever on Nintendo. Given their current sales they really cannot afford to have a "take it or vote with your wallet" attitude in matters like this.

 

[Greddleok]

1. Let's wait to see what this "dungeon" actually is.
2. I fully expect there to be a healthy stock of the bundles at launch. Other games bundled with Amiibo have not had a problem

Assuming it is in fact a full fledged dungeon though and you have to buy the amiibo at an additional cost...yeah that kind of sucks. On the one hand you're still getting the entire Twilight Princess in HD plus the new features. This dungeon is just a bonus. On the other, that's still content locked behind a physical toy that you may not even be able to purchase, for a higher price than one dungeon probably should be.

But that's a lot of ifs...so let's wait until we know some facts.

Woah! Slow down there! You're being too reasonable!

 

[Stone Ocean]

So Twilight Princess wasn't complete without this dungeon, yes? We've had an incomplete game for the last decade?

I never said anything about it being an incomplete game? My point is you don't need to be doing some 100% playthrough to want to play a new dungeon. Stop twisting my words.

 

[ramparter]

An extra dungeon isn't some completionist thing, specially when we're talking about Zelda.

This isn't some stupid fishing side quest mini game or something, it's a dungeon. It's something probably any Zelda fan would want to play through unless it's a bad dungeon like Ordeals in which case Nintendo can use the Wolf Amiibo as a butt plug.

Most probably will be like Ordeals.

 

[Fate/Cipher]

Here you go
http://time.com/94738/nintendo-apology-tomodachi-life/

You are on a gaming message board, so you should you should stop lecturing other people about them wasting valuable time. Not to mention that you're spending your valuable time lamenting anonymous people online. How sad is that?

I'm trying to be positive about something, dude. I'm not complaining about a toy, I'm trying to open that poster's eyes a bit, so he can take a step back, and find something he can take enjoyment in.

 

[sixteen-bit]

Reminds me of the GBC-exclusive dungeon in Zelda DX. I wonder if it'll have the same workaround (save the game in the GBC dungeon and if you pick up on a monochrome Game Bboy you'll still be there).

 

[TDLink]

An extra dungeon isn't some completionist thing, specially when we're talking about Zelda.

This isn't some stupid fishing side quest mini game or something, it's a dungeon. It's something probably any Zelda fan would want to play through unless it's a bad dungeon like Ordeals in which case Nintendo can use the Wolf Amiibo as a butt plug.

We have no idea what calling it a "dungeon" entails. Is it on part with something like the Arbiter's Grounds? Or is it more like the bottom of the well from OOT? Or is it just more stuff like the Cave of Ordeals already in the game?

There is no indication on what kind of dungeon it is. And honestly I highly doubt it's an intricate and full fledged temple style dungeon. They're calling it a cave, which has certain implications of being smaller in the context of Zelda.

Let's wait and see before jumping to conclusions. It might not really be that big of a thing.

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

I'm trying to be positive about something, dude. I'm not complaining about a toy, I'm trying to open that poster's eyes a bit, so he can take a step back, and find something he can take enjoyment in.

By making a totally uncalled for assumption of that poster's character.

 

[Fate/Cipher]

By making a totally uncalled for assumption of that poster's character.

Right. Because there aren't 8 pages worth of receipts.

 

[Drackhorn]

That plastic DLC wall...

 

[Camjo-Z]

Nobody played it so I don't expect many people to know, but Chibi-Robo: Zip-Lash had nearly 1/7th of its content locked behind an amiibo. I'm talking four platforming levels and two boss remixes (as well as some other minor bonuses) that are impossible to unlock otherwise. This kind of practice isn't exactly new, they just tested it where y'all wouldn't notice.

 

[GhostTrick]

Of course they are. As with any "bad industry practice" posts. Who cares? Games are a means of entertainment. If Nintendo incentivizing an investment into one of their hottest commodities is really affecting your quality of life for worse (clearly, it is), find a new hobby or better yet, support something you think is worth your money. Vote with your wallet. Since when has being negative on a message board ever led to anything positive? This one poster, GhostTrick, has spent such valuable time that is life, complaining about a game (of all things in life to complain about) he can avoid altogether. How sad is that?

And you spent that time to complain about how people arent happy. How ironic.

 

[SmokedMeat]

I don't know who you're talking to, I'm buying the amiibo either way because it looks awesome and anything it unlocks is a neat surprise.

If you want to encourage companies locking content away in seperate little purchases then so be it.
But don't go bitching about people preordering games, or season passes being part of the problem. Or that EA or some other publisher isn't giving enough content for the money.