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Amiibo Wolf Link to unlock a new dungeon in Twilight Princess HD ?
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geordiemp
Member
Its not an amiibo thing, its locked content pressed on the disk you pay money for. It does not matter if you need to swipe an amiibo, card, enter a key, drop a coin in a meter, does not matter the mechanism.
The content is on the damn disk and its locked = nasty, dont care how its dressed up, and its not DLC, DLC is after the game is released !
KirbYuuYuu
Member
It just highlights how disappointing it is even moreso.
LegendofLex
Member
How so?
That's pretty standard RPG/action game design, to introduce extras that people can get to make the gameplay easier.
First of all, "lolkay?" Talk like an adult, kiddo.
Secondly, did I miss something about Zelda Wii U? Is that actually part of the equation here or just speculation?
Thirdly, I'd rather them just hide the extra dungeon and not have it cost money or be hidden behind some silly toy. Call me crazy.
First time seeing this. So did they get the info wrong or jump the gun? Weird for it to be outright removed like that.
The various angles this gets attacked at are really interesting. If you were to aggregate the dislike posts it comes down to: The worthless plastic figure is too expensive for unlocking important throwaway content.
I feel not everyone can be right, but more likely there is something in the middle that acknowledges multiple aspects of value without trying to downplay one or the other.
I feel not everyone can be right, but more likely there is something in the middle that acknowledges multiple aspects of value without trying to downplay one or the other.
LegendofLex
Member
They confirmed that there will be some kind of cross-compatibility between TPHD and Zelda Wii U via the amiibo in the Direct announcement.
Thanks.
Interesting idea, I guess. Not a huge fan because, again, I don't want to have to buy a toy to unlock content (unless it's something silly like "Get an extra red potion!" or whatever. Then I won't care at all.)
NeonZ
Member
It's mentioned that this Amiibo will be compatible with Zelda Wii U, and that data recorded on it will be usable there.
Poltergust
Member
I'm a completionist, so that's not really an option for me. >.>
Hibiki Kurosawa
Member
That wouldn't help my case where I think the puzzles in the game were way too easy as well. Also, wouldn't that just make the combat worse, rather than a more fun challenge? I can't remember which skills I unlocked or how many, but I'd imagine it would make combat pretty dull.
KirbYuuYuu
Member
TP was already very easy. The extra skills made it even easier. A big problem with the skills is that nearly all of them are optional, and therefore enemies were not fully utilized to make the best out of those skills so the player isn't punished for missing them.
If the game was difficult, then having the skills would be more beneficial to the player and make them worthwhile. Unfortunately TP is already very easy and the skills have little incentive to seek them out.
LegendofLex
Member
TBH, there's no Zelda since the NES where completionism leaves a challenge in its wake.
Eh, it basically turns combat into OoT combat, where you can't win through flashy skills but just by dodging/blocking enemy attacks (without the benefit of the back slice maneuver) and taking the appropriate opportunities.
I dunno, I thought some of the enemies like Darknuts and the final boss were at least marginally more difficult without back slice and helm splitter.
I agree that the game's still too easy though. I'm not too hopeful about the new game, either.
A MQ wouldn't address the piss poor enemy AI on top of the weak amount of damage they do. The game needs an entire rebalance from the bottom to the top and that, even in my eyes, is outside the scope of this project. It's something I've wanted but the best we were ever going to get was Hero Mode so thank goodness that's there, at least (since not even MM3D had it!)
It unlocks playable Midna because its actually a continuation of Twilight Princess!!!! *foams at mouth*
I wish lol
Hibiki Kurosawa
Member
I knew they wouldn't go beyond Hero Mode with this release, but yeah it needs a complete redesign/remake. The enemies, puzzles, everything were too easy and the world was void of content, so I just come to terms with it being a mediocre Zelda and move on.
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
I dunno, at least this would be resellable.
If you consider amiibo DLC, you could buy the figure for $14 and then turn around and sell it when you're done and recoup most of your money.
With DLC you're stuck with it...
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Deleted member 465307
Unconfirmed Member
If this is an original dungeon built for TPHD, does that mean it's going to have noticeably better geometry than the rest of the game? I can't imagine them purposefully building something original within the technical limitations of a 2006 game.
Maybe this was cut content that was never used, so they're just adding it back in (and perhaps finishing the last bits if it was incomplete). Unlike WW's dungeons whose excuses were that they were already used elsewhere (probably TP).
Maybe this was cut content that was never used, so they're just adding it back in (and perhaps finishing the last bits if it was incomplete). Unlike WW's dungeons whose excuses were that they were already used elsewhere (probably TP).
I dunno, at least this would be resellable.
If you consider amiibo DLC, you could buy the figure for $14 and then turn around and sell it when you're done and recoup most of your money.
With DLC you're stuck with it...
And shareable with friends. My brother has the inkling amiibo, I can just borrow his and do all the missions, which I have done.
Silent_Ocarina
Member
I think Hero Mode in general is a cheap way of making a game more difficult. More damage taken is fine and expected, but no hearts can be found in the field? That just feels really lazy to me. I think difficulty in a Zelda game should come from puzzle design and monster encounter design. Puzzle design is harder to implement variable difficulty, but I think enemies can stand to move a little faster and maybe have new attacks or patterns in more difficult modes.
Good thing there's literally tons of devices that replicate amiibo
Poltergust
Member
Actually, at the end of my 100% Skyward Sword run I came really close to dying. I even ate through like 4 potions.
I probably did the boss fight completely wrong, but at least it was tense.
wumster3000
Member
I agree. If this is true, this is not cool Nintendo.
LegendofLex
Member
In Twilight Princess, you have access to on-demand healing potions before you ever encounter a single enemy. Use all the Rupees that people complained about to buy some recovery items!
Yeah, maybe I should have added "outside of a few obvious bottlenecks." Skyward Sword's endgame could get pretty tough for a first-timer.
In the NES Zeldas you could get your health chipped away by enemies in the field or in most of the dungeons, but you had to "git gud" first. And that remained true for the later dungeons, even if you had max life.
Poltergust
Member
No hearts in the field is the best part of Hero Mode, actually. You go into a dungeon with a certain amount of hearts and healing items, and that's all you get (well, if you find a Piece of Heart that's a free health refill as well). It actually makes potions useful where they would otherwise be redundant.
People who bought in to this shitty artificial economy: Hooray more reasons for these to exist!
People who didn't buy in to this shitty artificial economy: Ugh, fuck this shit.
I'm (obviously) of the latter opinion. Toys shouldn't have anything to do with game content at a platform level. Stuff like Skylanders is fine because they have a specific scope that you're aware of when you buy in to it. The nebulous nature of Amiibo from the perspective of buying a WiiU is not beneficial to the consumer at any level.
People who didn't buy in to this shitty artificial economy: Ugh, fuck this shit.
I'm (obviously) of the latter opinion. Toys shouldn't have anything to do with game content at a platform level. Stuff like Skylanders is fine because they have a specific scope that you're aware of when you buy in to it. The nebulous nature of Amiibo from the perspective of buying a WiiU is not beneficial to the consumer at any level.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Everyone that's modded their Wii/Wii U has gone against the End User Agreement. Are you saying they're all pirates?
LegendofLex
Member
The EULA has language that provides for behavior that is "otherwise permitted by law," and defines explicitly what steps Nintendo will take against unauthorized modifications (which the end user is indeed ultimately responsible for should s/he run into them), so...
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Go on...
billy beane
Banned
Don't try to understand outrage on the internet. 90% of it isn't real, and the other 10% are people who are just looking to be mad about something.
LegendofLex
Member
So behavior that's permitted by law isn't piracy?
Silent_Ocarina
Member
That is one aspect I do like about the lack of hearts. I want potions to be more useful, but I dunno, no hearts just seems really cheap to me. I think it just might be the fact that it annoys me if I have less than a full Heart Meter when I'm saving and exiting the game. I think it's reasonable for hearts to disappear in dungeons (therefore making potions essential throughout the whole dungeon), but leave the hearts available in the overworld or even have inns (going into RPG territory a bit, though).
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Show me where it's permitted by law to go against the software license of a EULA.
The best experience for TP I feel is the 3 hearts-zora suit challenge.
Some parts are boderline but if you know what you're doing it's incredible.
Don't skip the hidden skills, you need all the help you can in this mode.
Heck the ruppe armor is even useful then.(if you can get it that is)
Rats Off To Ya
Banned
Perfect summation.
LegendofLex
Member
Right in the DMCA?
http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap12.html#1201
Circumventing access controls is expressly permitted for otherwise noninfringing uses of copyrighted works.
It's why we can talk about mods all day long, but not about piracy. It's why people don't get charged for modding their consoles, but for selling consoles that are advertised as modded.
AndrewDean84xX
Banned
If this is your jumping off point for Nintendo, then it seems like you should be done with gaming in general. At least on consoles.
If it was any other company, then this thread would be full of fire and brimstone. Can you imagine if EA made you buy a $10 Messi action figure to be able to play as Barcelona in Fifa 16? But Nintendo gets a pass on shitty DLC practices because they're Nintendo. Now if Nintendo wanted to let me buy the amiibo to gain access to the DLC in addition to giving the option of downloading it in the traditional way, then that's great. But I shouldn't be forced to buy toys just to gain access to 100% of the video game that I want to play.
They've already hidden a dungeon behind hardware and behind an impractical multiplayer mode.
don't be surprised if they do this.
It wouldn't even be close to being the worst they did already.
Stop with the BS already, if it was any other company you would still get corporate apologists.
Just look up any used game controversy thread.
Nintendo fans aren't even close to having to defend the worst practices of the industry.
Heck we even have people defending MSFT's shitty parity close that fuck everyone over but MSFT.
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Deleted member 465307
Unconfirmed Member
I accidentally did a Zora Suit challenge for the events post-Lakebed Temple through most of Snowpeak Ruins because I thought it looked cool and didn't realize it had damage multipliers on it. I got really good at dodging in the Snowpeak Ruins. It was after I died in that area once or twice that I knew something was off because I knew Nintendo wouldn't have put such an extreme difficulty spike in the game. Honestly, that challenge of always being on guard and learning how to dodge the ice javelins was exhilarating. Maybe I'd enjoy the Souls games. I highly recommend everyone play with the Zora armor. I probably will this time around.
Unless I'm misreading, only the Wolf Link amiibo unlocks the dungeon. The other Zelda amiibos provide other benefits. Sorry if this was covered already, it's a very loooong thread.