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[Jeffolation]

This won't make people less racist, on the contrary.
It will just make them repackage their racism in a different way.
I don't see how this would be better in any way.

The smart ones are hiding their racism already and if throwing these people out scares/dissuades from perpetuating this bullshit that's a bonus. And I'd argue that throwing somebody out of school for a racist act like this is a net positive for everybody that isn't the adult that decided this was a good idea in the first place.

 

[Pulka]

I am just wondering. And i need to be careful how i ask this. But is it ever okay for a white person to dress up like a black person. Lets say some white dude wants to dress up as Obama for whatever reason. Is there an acceptable way? Or is it a no-go all the time? I am genuinly wondering dont judge me, one of our ministers recently did a blackface thing at an event. We still need to learn alot...

I think the consensus is that you can dress like Obama, but you can't paint yourself to look like Obama.

 

[Breads]

Can I cite a precedent of bullying/cyber-bullying leading to self-harm? Are you serious?

You're being obtuse. Intentionally. From a burner account that edits out their old posts with gibberish.

This isn't bullying. She committed an offense and is now dealing with the consequences. I will not accept any argument that frames her as a victim of a bully campaign because this is not that.

I didn't ask you to tell me about bullies/ cyber bullies. This isn't what we're talking about. I asked you to show me the precedent of racists dealing with the repercussions of being racists that lead to self harm.

No one is finding a reason, she posted something racist and is being held accountable for it. Calling her a racist isn't the same as dehumanizing a black people because of their race, that's fucking ridiculous.

Nah it's totally the same thing. She has to deal the consequences of committing racist acts. Black people have to deal with the consequences of committing the act of being black.

 

[diaspora]

I am just wondering. And i need to be careful how i ask this. But is it ever okay for a white person to dress up like a black person. Lets say some white dude wants to dress up as Obama for whatever reason. Is there an acceptable way? Or is it a no-go all the time? I am genuinly wondering dont judge me, one of our ministers recently did a blackface thing at an event. We still need to learn alot...

You mean like... wearing a suit?

 

[Nipo]

I am just wondering. And i need to be careful how i ask this. But is it ever okay for a white person to dress up like a black person. Lets say some white dude wants to dress up as Obama for whatever reason. Is there an acceptable way? Or is it a no-go all the time? I am genuinly wondering dont judge me, one of our ministers recently did a blackface thing at an event. We still need to learn alot...

Rdj in tropic thunder?

 

[Enzom21]

I am just wondering. And i need to be careful how i ask this. But is it ever okay for a white person to dress up like a black person. Lets say some white dude wants to dress up as Obama for whatever reason. Is there an acceptable way? Or is it a no-go all the time? I am genuinly wondering dont judge me, one of our ministers recently did a blackface thing at an event. We still need to learn alot...

Dressing up as a black person is fine, as long as you don't paint your skin.
Fine:

Not okay:

 

[Audioboxer]

I am just wondering. And i need to be careful how i ask this. But is it ever okay for a white person to dress up like a black person. Lets say some white dude wants to dress up as Obama for whatever reason. Is there an acceptable way? Or is it a no-go all the time? I am genuinly wondering dont judge me, one of our ministers recently did a blackface thing at an event. We still need to learn alot...

I mean if you dress up as Obama at a family Halloween party is it going to have the same potential outcomes as if you dress up as Obama in public? Probably not.

Such is life. There are many things it's best just not to do in public for 99% of the population as it's either not worth the end outcome or for whatever the affect it falls short of even having a respectable satirical punchline/joke/meaning attached to it.

Usually when it comes to social and political "free speech" it is left to comedians, satirists and respected commentators to tackle. Even when it comes to humour delivered from professional comedians they still get critiqued, mocked and even lashed out at. Difference with them is that is literally their career. If you can get fired for trying to be oh so edgy and funny chances are just don't do whatever stupid thing you are thinking of doing.

It's just fucking common sense, therefore it's hard to put in words sometimes.

edit: As people have pointed out above me, you CAN dress up as fictional and non-fictional characters, but purposely black-facing is largely the issue. Costumes are suppose to be derived from enjoying a character or feeling proud of them, the skin colour isn't what matters.

 

[Sami+]

What's she even doing at an HBC if she's gonna be like that

Throw her with the rest of the garbage.

Oh dang this looks cool, what's it from?

 

[Messofanego]

Been on the site for 3 years and has 10 posts.

To quote my brother from Melmac:

The post history is really weird. Deleted posts and gibberish lol, covering tracks?

 

[1.21Gigawatts]

Well the Uni does also have a responsibility to care for students well-being. This is bound to cause tension, upset and unfortunately potentially even retaliation.

Thats her problem. Being outed as a idiot and racist was her own fault and if she can't deal with people knowing that about her she can leave.
But I don't think its the colleges responsiblity to disciplin her.
They obviously can, but I don't see the benefits of doing it. In the end it would just be used by rightwinger to play victim again.

Also, black people are facing so much racism every day, I don't think they will be so affected by some stupid girls racist snap that they will retaliate. Ridicule sure, but not retaliation.
Innocent unarmed black people are shot by racist police officers everyday, this is in my opinion exactly the government tyranny right wingers claim the 2nd amendment is for, yet even in these cases most black people amazingly remain peaceful. So I'm sure they can deal with an irrelevant stupid girls racist snapchat picture.

 

[Audioboxer]

Thats her problem. Being outed as a idiot and racist was her own fault and if she can't deal with people knowing that about her she can leave.
But I don't think its the colleges responsiblity to disciplin her.
They obviously can, but I don't see the benefits of doing it. In the end it would just be used by rightwinger to play victim again.

Also, black people are facing so much racism every day, I don't think they will be so affected by some stupid girls racist snap that they will retaliate. Ridicule sure, but not retaliation.
Innocent unarmed black people are shot by racist police officers everyday, this is in my opinion exactly the government tyranny right wingers claim the 2nd amendment is for, yet even in these cases most black people amazingly remain peaceful. So I'm sure they can deal with an irrelevant stupid girls racist snapchat picture.

Because she represents the Uni while she is there. The same reason a place of employment can discipline you for your actions even outside of the workforce. You represent them whilst you work for them.

The problem here is we aren't just talking getting pissed, stumbling to a lecture reeking of booze and having a complaint registered against you. This is feeding into racial abuse and segregation at the University. In an American climate as it is, it may just be that the Uni isn't going to tolerate this kind of shit, end of.

She referenced the Uni directly in her image. That makes it a bigger problem for the Uni's reputation.

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

Pages 27 and 28 (17/20 on flash slider) of that code of conduct talk about expulsion (student cannot re-attend), suspension (student might be able to re-attend after specified time), sanctions and restrictions. I would copy it but as I said it runs in flash so it's not allowing me to.

It's all with due process and like Glasgow based around committees/and an appeal process, but it's all there clear as day.

https://issuu.com/studentconduct4/docs/code_of_conduct

As I said, they can put what they want in the code of conduct, and likely much of the code revolves around behaviors that are also illegal, for which punitive action can definitely be taken. It is very unlikely any public university in the U.S. would or even could expel someone for making a tasteless, racially insensitive (but lacking any clear signs of threatening intent) joke on Snapchat.

 

[1.21Gigawatts]

I am just wondering. And i need to be careful how i ask this. But is it ever okay for a white person to dress up like a black person. Lets say some white dude wants to dress up as Obama for whatever reason. Is there an acceptable way? Or is it a no-go all the time? I am genuinly wondering dont judge me, one of our ministers recently did a blackface thing at an event. We still need to learn alot...

It would've been okay for her to use a face mask that happens to be black if she hadn't made a racist joke with it.

But generally speaking if you paint your face black to imitate a black person or black people in generall thats racist. Europe hasn't gotten the memo though.

 

[Sora the Cat]

It would've been okay for her to use a face mask that happens to be black if she hadn't made a racist joke with it.

But generally speaking if you paint your face black to imitate a black person or black people in generall thats racist. Europe hasn't gotten the memo though.

could you explain for us who don't get it and perhaps are not from USA, why the act of imitating a black person is racist? I'm honestly asking here, not trying to be funny or anything. Seems like something I should be able to identify.

 

[1.21Gigawatts]

Because she represents the Uni while she is there. The same reason a place of employment can discipline you for your actions even outside of the workforce. You represent them whilst you work for them.

I know. The college would have a reason, but I don't think its necessary and I don't think it would be the colleges responsibility.
I'm a turn the other cheek type of guy, I always find that way more impressive and satisfying than punishment. Especially when its against ignorance, I think being mercyful and non-retaliating is the most obliterating blow.

 

[Enzom21]

The post history is really weird. Deleted posts and gibberish lol, covering tracks?

No sense in trying to understand burner accounts.

could you explain for us who don't get it and perhaps are not from USA, why the act of imitating a black person is racist? I'm honestly asking here, not trying to be funny or anything. Seems like something I should be able to identify.

Our skin color is not a fucking costume. would you try to change the shape of your eyes if you were dressing up as an Asian person?

 

[EdibleKnife]

What's she even doing at an HBC if she's gonna be like that



Oh dang this looks cool, what's it from?

Luke Cage

could you explain for us who don't get it and perhaps are not from USA, why the act of imitating a black person is racist? I'm honestly asking here, not trying to be funny or anything. Seems like something I should be able to identify.

Blackface

 

[1.21Gigawatts]

could you explain for us who don't get it and perhaps are not from USA, why the act of imitating a black person is racist? I'm honestly asking here, not trying to be funny or anything. Seems like something I should be able to identify.

Imitating a black person is not by itself racist. White people can of course do an Obama impression for example. But painting ones face to do so is racist, because of its history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackface

In europe blackfacing doesn't have the same historical context as in the US, which is why nobody usually has a problem with kids painting their faces to play some religious or cultural figures. Its still ignorant.

 

[Audioboxer]

No sense in trying to understand burner accounts.


Our skin color is not a fucking costume.

Bro, I'm just trying to imitate you!

Said by anyone who seemingly thinks black people aren't the same kind of fucking human being as the rest of us.

Skin colour in the perfect world should be absolutely irrelevant as no one chooses it, and there should be no need to "imitate it". People are human beings, not costumes or different colours.

Imitating a black person is not automatically racist. White people can of course do an Obama impression for example. But painting ones face to do so is racist, because of its history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackface

Because the thing is to do an Obama impression needs nothing to do with skin colour. Impressions are largely audible/physical based. Even on the face it's usually about facial expressions.

Impressions can be discriminatory though, if you're mocking something someone has no control over (like a speech impediment).

My Obama impression would be wheeling into a public speech pedestal on a skateboard if I'm honest. Best President.

 

[Speely]

What's she even doing at an HBC if she's gonna be like that



Oh dang this looks cool, what's it from?

Luke Cage show on Netflix.

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

It's a marathon, not a sprint. To do nothing isn't a wise social experiment as humanity has an awful track record of auto-correcting itself if it isn't attempted to be funneled, or frankly dragged.



The University doesn't have to mollycoddle, like it or not they can choose the candidates they want on their campus. Hence why you apply to Universities and possibly do interviews. A large part of that is to do with your high schools grades and current fit to any course requirements, but at least for me I also had to write a personal statement why I wanted to study.

Your rights are not being violated because an optional higher education faculty like College/Uni tells you they don't feel you are fit anymore to study on their campus and after due process decide to expel you. You can appeal, or you can suck it up and go learn elsewhere/begin working.

You keep saying this, but you definitely do not have an appreciation for how public universities in America function.

She is, point blank, not going to get expelled for this. We have an organization called the ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) that would sue them into oblivion if they did, and legal precedent suggests they would very probably lose, as they are a public university and therefore are legally prohibited from punishing protected acts of speech. The only acts of speech that are not protected in America are, basically, those that incite immediate violence, or at least have the ability to instill a sense of immediate threat in the person to whom the speech is targeted.

 

[Alienfan]

Because these charcoal face masks have gone viral (insanely painful to pull off) and once and a while a young dumb person attaches a dumb caption to a snapchat photo without thinking about it, someome screenshots it, sends it to a media outlet, and everyone judges the person based on one snap taken out of context. As far as racism goes, this is much more harmless than most other things happening at the moment, and can really be chalked up to ignorance on her part; educating her, telling her why this is wrong, is much more constructive than kicking her out of university

 

[Frozenprince]

Because these charcoal face masks have gone viral (insanely painful to pull off) and once and a while a young dumb person attaches a dumb caption to a snapchat photo without thinking about it, someome screenshots it, sends it to a media outlet, and everyone judges the person based on one snap taken out of context.

And what, pray tell, is the context here?

 

[Audioboxer]

You keep saying this, but you definitely do not have an appreciation for how public universities in America function.

She is, point blank, not going to get expelled for this. We have an organization called the ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) that would sue them into oblivion if they did, and legal precedent suggests they would very probably lose, as they are a public university and therefore are legally prohibited from punishing protected acts of speech.

Fair enough, it's just my ignorance then. I find it hard to wrap my head around though, especially as I said earlier in a society where workers unions are frowned upon and there seems to be a fair amount of employee shitting on.

As I found out the Uni still has the guidelines in it's code of conduct, and I will need to go Google search more results about just how pointless said code of conduct seems to be given what you are telling me.

 

[TheSpoiler]

Because these charcoal face masks have gone viral (insanely painful to pull off) and once and a while a young dumb person attaches a dumb caption to a snapchat photo without thinking about it, someome screenshots it, sends it to a media outlet, and everyone judges the person based on one snap taken out of context.

Wait for more information, people.

Please before these witch hunts get OUT OF CONTROL.

 

[gogosox82]

I am just wondering. And i need to be careful how i ask this. But is it ever okay for a white person to dress up like a black person. Lets say some white dude wants to dress up as Obama for whatever reason. Is there an acceptable way? Or is it a no-go all the time? I am genuinly wondering dont judge me, one of our ministers recently did a blackface thing at an event. We still need to learn alot...

So like wear a suit? Yeah that's ok and you can wear one of those presidental masks I guess and it would be ok. Its never, ever, ever ok to use blackface. It is racist fullstop.

 

[Frozenprince]

Wait for more information, people.

Please before these witch hunts get OUT OF CONTROL.

I CAN'T HANDLE ALL THESE HOT TAEKS BRUH

 

[BitStyle]

Because these charcoal face masks have gone viral (insanely painful to pull off) and once and a while a young dumb person attaches a dumb caption to a snapchat photo without thinking about it, someome screenshots it, sends it to a media outlet, and everyone judges the person based on one snap taken out of context.

Out of context? Looked pretty in context to me.

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

Fair enough, it's just my ignorance then. I find it hard to wrap my head around though, especially as I said earlier in a society where workers unions are frowned upon and there seems to be a fair amount of employee shitting on.

As I found out the Uni still has the guidelines in it's code of conduct, and I will need to go Google search more results about just how pointless said code of conduct seems to be given what you are telling me.

https://www.thefire.org/in-court/state-of-the-law-speech-codes/

FIRE is a conservative organization, but their facts are facts:

When enacted at public universities, speech codes like the ones described above have been found unconstitutional by federal and state courts in decisions dating back over two decades.

Case Law: Speech Codes

In case after case, courts across the country have unequivocally and uniformly held speech codes at public universities to be unconstitutional. Public institutions of higher learning attempting to regulate the content of speech on campus are held to the most exacting level of judicial scrutiny. Typically, courts find speech codes to violate the First Amendment because they are vague and/or overbroad. This means that because the speech code is written in a way that (a) insufficiently specifies what type of speech is prohibited or (b) would prohibit constitutionally protected speech, it cannot be reconciled with the First Amendment’s protection of freedom of speech.

 

[Enzom21]

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These edits are not strange behavior at all.

 

[BitStyle]

These edits are not strange behavior at all.

Got to erase the evidence that can easily be found in quoted posts. Hell, mods can see all pre-edit posts anyways.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

I think we just saw an ultra-paranoid person peek out for a moment.

 

[maquiladora]

These edits are not strange behavior at all.

Yo....what the fuck

 

[Dynomutt]

What's she even doing at an HBC if she's gonna be like that



Oh dang this looks cool, what's it from?

Luke Cage on Netflix

 

[Captin Quacker]

These edits are not strange behavior at all.

the best words

 

[Breads]

Wait for more information, people.

Please before these witch hunts get OUT OF CONTROL.

Did you read Quid's posts before they editted them with gibberish?

She is already dead.

 

[Darryl M R]

gwwgegwe

Cool this tool then goes back and edit his posts. Someone please remove this trash. Hiding in the shadows like a rat.

 

[Sora the Cat]

Imitating a black person is not by itself racist. White people can of course do an Obama impression for example. But painting ones face to do so is racist, because of its history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackface

In europe blackfacing doesn't have the same historical context as in the US, which is why nobody usually has a problem with kids painting their faces to play some religious or cultural figures. Its still ignorant.

I get it, it really is ignorance. I had no idea about that backstory "blackface" had.

In any case, if someone paints his face black and tries to be funny (not talking about this girl), only to then find out that the performance was racist, if that person was indeed ignorant about this. Should we blame him or the system that failed to teach him? The hardest thing about the change we need is that it has to come from the home of this kids.

 

[Alienfan]

Out of context? Looked pretty in context to me.

Last time this happened it turns out another person had taken the photo and captioned it and sent the photo. The person in the photo was kicked out of university, not the one that had captioned it. The internet was quick to judge and we ruined her college life, at least temporally.

This photo is the equivalent of screenshoting a message in a chatlog and sending it to everyone. Not saying she didn't have raciest intentions, but it could very well be a reply to another message, we simply don't know. Regardless though, it was said in private, young people have dumb views at that age, your raciest granddad has almost definitely said worse at the dinner table, should we internet witch hunt him too? No, but should we try and correct them? Yes

 

[Dynomutt]

You I used to think how is this possible and it really is about exposure an ignorance.

I sold a iPod (Scroll Wheel) a few years ago. Gentlemen just moved his family from one of the Virginia's or close by.

He had 3 kids 2 girls and a boy ages 5-9. I won't forget this they would not stop staring and giggling. I figured they were just shy.

He straight up said, "Oh don't mind them they haven't really been around black people before this is new for them,,," Whaaat?

Took my green money and got my rare black ass out of there.

It was just so nonchalant.

 

[-tetsuo-]

These edits are not strange behavior at all.

I am late. What were his original posts?

 

[Frozenprince]

I get it, it really is ignorance. I had no idea about that backstory "blackface" had.

In any case, if someone paints his face black and tries to be funny (not talking about this girl), only to then find out that the performance was racist, if that person was indeed ignorant about this. Should we blame him or the system that failed to teach him? The hardest thing about the change we need is that it has to come from the home of this kids.

Ignorance is not an excuse.

 

[Enzom21]

I am late. What were his original posts?

Nuked from orbit it seems.

 

[1.21Gigawatts]

I get it, it really is ignorance. I had no idea about that backstory "blackface" had.

In any case, if someone paints his face black and tries to be funny (not talking about this girl), only to then find out that the performance was racist, if that person was indeed ignorant about this. Should we blame him or the system that failed to teach him? The hardest thing about the change we need is that it has to come from the home of this kids.

Don't blame. Make aware.
If people are aware and still do it, then its time to blame.

For this girl there is no excuse for not being aware. She goes to a historically black college ffs.

 

[Frozenprince]

Last time this happened it turns out another person had taken the photo and captioned it and sent the photo. The person in the photo was kicked out of university, not the one that had captioned it. The internet was quick to judge and we ruined her college life, at least temporally.

This photo is the equivalent of screenshoting one photo in a chatlog and sending it to everyone. Not saying she didn't have raciest intentions, but it could very well be a reply to another message, we simply don't know. Regardless though, it was said in private, young people have dumb views at that age, your raciest granddad has almost definitely said worse at the dinner table, should we internet witch hunt him too? No, but should we try and correct them? Yes

Degrees of racism does not make it better.

Every blackface thread. Same thing.

 

[Principate]

Don't blame. Make aware.
If people are aware and still do it, then its time to blame.

For this girl there is no excuse for not being aware. She goes to a historically black college ffs.

There's nothing to be aware about if your going to length of taping yourself to imitate a race. That's some extreme level of racism and stupidity. I'm pretty sure even completely oblivious little kids don't go that far

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

I remember hearing about black face when I was kid/teen, but I never really saw people do it until the rise of social media. I was wondering if there is been a new influx of people that get a kick out of it, or if it has always about the same level? Is it like a new meme the past 6 years to do it?

Its just weird, I thought everyone universally knew it was bad to do considering the roots of it during segregation and vaudeville.

 

[TheSpoiler]

I CAN'T HANDLE ALL THESE HOT TAEKS BRUH

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[Audioboxer]

The post history is really weird. Deleted posts and gibberish lol, covering tracks?

https://www.thefire.org/in-court/state-of-the-law-speech-codes/

FIRE is a conservative organization, but their facts are facts:

Ahh, pretty sure I've heard of FIRE now that I see it. I admit defeat! Haha. Thanks for educating me more. I at least hope the Uni follows through with verbal disciplinary action.

 

[1.21Gigawatts]

There's nothing to be aware about if your going to length of taping yourself to imitate a race. That's some extreme level of racism and stupidity. I'm pretty sure even completely oblivious little kids don't go that far

Every year there are hordes of kindergarden kids across europe painting their faces black because they want to play the three wise men and one of them happens to be black.

Good luck explaining to 4 year olds who never even heard of slavery or racism or discrimination why its bad to paint their faces black. Circumstances in europe are just completely different.

The adults however should be able to understand. But in my opinion they usually get offended when you tell them that what they and their kids are doing is racist. The usual defense mechanisms when you criticize people... "Fuck you! I'm not racist so me doing this racist thing is fine."