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[FlyinJ]

I understand people being upset about this but if you don't think most CEO/CTO or any other executive is just as right wing and out of touch you have your head in the sand. I'm not saying its right or we should accept it but people need to realize there a lot more people at the top that likely agree with Luckey than don't. If you don't want to support Occulus because of the founders political views you probably need to stop supporting a whole lot of other products too. At lease we can all still enjoy Ben and Jerrys

Most CEOs and CTOs defend employees that fund racist hate groups?

What a fucked up world!

 

[Keasar]

If they would have just said that Luckey was not part of the Oculus team anymore, apologized etc. even though it wasn't really their fault, said they have cut ties to Luckey, I would have been satisfied.

I actually even looked more on the Oculus since the recent previews of the Oculus Touch, I thought those controllers were really nice and Oculus is still the PC VR headset that would work in my tiny room.

This behaviour however, fuck 'em. "Diversity" what a load of fucking PR bullshit when their boss wants to end diversity in the country.

 

[IlGialloMondadori]

He's racist himself now? What racist action or statement has he done/made?

Yes. He donated to a racist group founded by racists that is filled with racists, and is dating a blatant racist. That makes him a racist.

Would anyone who is not a racist do these things?

 

[FlyinJ]

They aren't "working for" Palmer. His role is "founder" and he's a kid, I doubt he's making hiring and firing decisions. They work for Iribe and for Clinton supporter Mark Zuckerberg.

Palmer is an idiot though many of the statements here about him are exaggerated. It's interesting how his single donation to Nimble America, a group who made one billboard attacking Hillary with a meme, becomes "donates to racist, white nationalist organizations" in the retelling. I noticed multiple posts in this topic suggesting Palmer donated to "groups". Unless anything new came out after the original articles and news story, that's simply not true (just the one $10k donation to Nimble and a failed attempt to solicit funds for them from thedonald users) but has been repeated so much people believe it.

I suspect oculus is just going to hunker down and hope people stop caring once Trump loses the election and the political season ends.

Ah yes, the old "he's a kid" defense. 24 year old kid.

Where is that chart that shows at what age you become an adult based on your race.

 

[staticneuron]

Have you seen what they've said? Silence would be one thing but this:



And this



Is not nothing

Pretty much as above. No one is expecting to hear from every single employee or expects the company to let them speak freely on the topic, and as such there is justifiable reason for people to see it as a company wide issue till there is something far more meaningful than the above, especially in light of what is actually known. The approach demonstrated in the OP just adds to all of this. It's contemptuous

The post immediately following mine has their statements.

So let us highlight the crux of these quotes

Everyone at Oculus is free to support the issues or causes that matter to them, whether or not we agree with those views. It is important to remember that Palmer acted independently in a personal capacity, and was in no way representing the company.

and

I wanted to give Palmer Freeman Luckey a chance to respond before I said anything, and having read his post, I take him at his word. Those of you who have known me before I joined Oculus know that I would not work in a place that I thought condoned, or spread hate. Nor would I remain silent if I saw it raise its head.

Indicates they agree or disagree with Palmer's political stance or affiliations? Wow. Maybe it is me and my reading comprehension but it does not look like that to me at all.

 

[Jebusman]

He's racist himself now? What racist action or statement has he done/made?

I get that you're already banned (and for the record this looks like the second time you've been banned for this very topic in recent history), but I'm trying to understand the thought process on how you can donate money to a group meant to do specifically one thing, and yet still try and argue that since he did not personally do said thing, he's entirely innocent.

If I pay a man to murder someone, I don't get off for free because I didn't personally commit the murder. That's not how it works. My actions directly funded and influences the actions of the murderer.

Palmer donated money to a hate group. He is, by that association, now tied to that hate group. His money directly supported actions to spread hate. There is literally no other way of interpreting this.

What people think is the problem is they assume that since one of the main guys involved is a horrible person (Milo Yiannopoulos), then the entire organization must be horrible, and anybody who associates with it in any way must be fully aware of all this and thus be horrible as well.

This is equivalent to saying that not "all" the KKK are bad people.

 

[aeolist]

carmack is a well known libertarian who probably thinks palmer's politics are totally fine if a bit tacky

 

[aeolist]

So let us highlight the crux of these quotes



and



Indicates they agree or disagree with Palmer's political stance or affiliations? Wow. Maybe it is me and my reading comprehension but it does not look like that to me at all.

luckey's official word was an immediately discredited pack of lies. they still have not addressed the issue at all.

 

[Jebusman]

Ah yes, the old "he's a kid" defense. 24 year old kid.

Where is that chart that shows at what age you become an adult based on your race.

here I did one up real quick

 

[FlyinJ]

carmack is a well known libertarian who probably thinks palmer's politics are totally fine if a bit tacky

You're saying Carmack is totally fine with someone taking the profits made from the company he works for to fund a hate group?

 

[Shaanyboi]

You're saying Carmack is totally fine with someone taking the profits made from the company he works for to fund a hate group?

Apparently so, since it seems nothing has changed within the company to ease peoples' concerns.

 

[aeolist]

You're saying Carmack is totally fine with someone taking the profits made from the company he works for to fund a hate group?

i'm saying carmack thinks political correctness is a bunch of garbage and the tech industry is a true meritocracy with no prejudices at all

also that government should basically not exist

so yes, i think he's probably totally fine with the politics of trump supporters

 

[Krejlooc]

You're saying Carmack is totally fine with someone taking the profits made from the company he works for to fund a hate group?

by "thinks they're totally fine," what I assume aeolist means is that Carmack probably doesn't find this alarming enough to even think about it. Given Carmack's well reported personality and mental make up (he's very much a right-brain thinker), I'd assume Carmack would have just shrugged this off when he heard about it, and not really dwelled on it. To him, these aren't even issues to be concerned with. He's wrong, of course. But from everything people have ever said about him, that matches the way he'd think.

 

[Riposte]

It's been a few hours, did he find his mom?

 

[FlyinJ]

i'm saying carmack thinks political correctness is a bunch of garbage and the tech industry is a true meritocracy with no prejudices at all

also that government should basically not exist

so yes, i think he's probably totally fine with the politics of trump supporters

Here we go again-

Palmer isn't a Trump supporter. He funded a hate group whose racist views happened to align more with one candidate over the other.

 

[FinaruDensetsu]

Lol I love the new title.

 

[Krejlooc]

Here we go again-

Palmer isn't a Trump supporter. He funded a hate group whose racist views happened to align with a candidate.

aeolist is aware of the distinction, that doesn't really change much of what was being said, though. There are real world issues that should be talked about, that Carmack wouldn't give the time of day.

 

[The Fatal Englishman]

I'm not sure why anyone thought ambushing Oculus employees at a private event was going to result in any sort of validation or response to the Luckey issue. It's hardly surprising at all that PR told him to go away.

 

[SnipeyMcGee]

Man. Fuck Oculus. So long as Palmer is still a part of it, I will hope that they fail.

Also: that title change is glorious.

 

[PapaEmeritus]

I don't understand, because you have one asshole, you damn the entire company? Makes no sense

 

[FlyinJ]

I'm not sure why anyone thought ambushing Oculus employees at a private event was going to result in any sort of validation or response to the Luckey issue. It's hardly surprising at all that PR told him to go away.

"Why did your founder blatantly lie in his statement about funding a hate group, and why has your CEO and head of content backed up the founder after he lied?"

Gotcha question, totally unfair.

When were they supposed to ask them the question? You do realize that every journalist that has contacted Oculus for comment since the CEO and head of content defended the founder's lying has been outright ignored, right?

 

[UnemployedVillain]

here I did one up real quick

Seems about right

 

[Blanquito]

This is really quite disappointing to see.

 

[Krejlooc]

I'm not sure why anyone thought ambushing Oculus employees at a private event was going to result in any sort of validation or response to the Luckey issue. It's hardly surprising at all that PR told him to go away.

A) The event was about diversity

B) Those who "ambushed" the employees were invited

PR didn't tell them to go away, they called those people up to ask how they could improve their diversity reach out. And when those people started talking about Luckey, they were told to shut up essentially. Don't solicit suggestions to improve the company if you can't handle the response.

 

[Krejlooc]

I don't understand, because you have one asshole, you damn the entire company? Makes no sense

That one asshole owns a shitload of stock in the company, and is bragging about using proceeds to fund a hate group, and explicitly explained that in order to keep funding his hate group, Oculus has to do well. None of this is hyperbole, the guy in question literally connected the dots for you.

 

[Momentary]

I can't support the Oculus Rift. I was waiting for the 2nd iteration of each model before taking the plunge, but I'm going straight for the Vive when that time comes. I can't believe that the company won't acknowledge what's going on. I'd think a bit more highly of them if they did.

 

[FyreWulff]

Libertarian, right?

Yes

he's very uh




formulatic in how he treats people

 

[Shaanyboi]

I don't understand, because you have one asshole, you damn the entire company? Makes no sense

That asshole is its founder, who is also funding hate speech, in an industry that already has serious fucking problems with women and minorities, in maybe the most dangerous political climate in recent US history, and a company that seems to have no problem with it whatsoever.

So yeah, fuck that company.

 

[FinaruDensetsu]

I don't understand, because you have one asshole, you damn the entire company? Makes no sense

If the company condemns the asshole and his comments, no you don't damn the company.

When the company supports the asshole, yes you damn the company.

I feel like you didn't really take the time to understand the whole thing before making such a bold comment acting like you made more sense than everyone.

 

[Usobuko]

I don't understand, because you have one asshole, you damn the entire company? Makes no sense

If Facebook cuts Palmer ' the racist ' Luckey off completely and the other executives don't downplay his remarks and actions, maybe I won't be that against the organization too.

Fact is, they didn't and wilfully try to bunker down in hopes that this shit show will go away.

So whatever, they asked for it.

 

[gatti-man]

Oculus will never see a dime of my money. I'll never directly or indirectly fund hate.

 

[aeolist]

Here we go again-

Palmer isn't a Trump supporter. He funded a hate group whose racist views happened to align more with one candidate over the other.

http://www.craveonline.com/design/1...ld-trump-rally-wearing-cant-stump-trump-shirt

 

[SmiteOfHand]

So you're mad at something other than the $10k to Nimble America, a legal donation to a legal political organization created to promote Trump, a major political party's presidential candidate? Yes, Trump is terrible and is promoting awful views, but that doesn't make his donation illegal.

What are you saying he should be fired for then?

I'm not your social studies teacher. If you don't see the problems with the people he donated to that is on you.

 

[Makai]

i'm saying carmack thinks political correctness is a bunch of garbage and the tech industry is a true meritocracy with no prejudices at all

also that government should basically not exist

so yes, i think he's probably totally fine with the politics of trump supporters

Carmack is a Vulcan. Expecting too much.

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

So you want people to stick around, but you refuse to address the problem that's causing people to leave in the first place. That certainly inspires a lot of confidence in their ability to manage relations.

 

[VillageBC]

That asshole is its founder, who is also funding hate speech, in an industry that already has serious fucking problems with women and minorities, in maybe the most dangerous political climate in recent US history, and a company that seems to have no problem with it whatsoever.

So yeah, fuck that company.

And all the employees there. They still haven't quit their jobs and fell on their sword. One man is a douche, let's make sure we have as many innocent casualties as possible.

 

[FlyinJ]

http://www.craveonline.com/design/1...ld-trump-rally-wearing-cant-stump-trump-shirt

So Luckey happens to support a candidate that aligns somewhat with his racist views, just like the organization that he funds.

My point is that the issue isn't that Palmer "just supports Trump".

Even though he lied about that aspect as well.

 

[Krejlooc]

And all the employees there. They still haven't quit their jobs and fell on their sword. One man is a douche, let's make sure we have as many innocent casualties as possible.

The shit the alt-right supports affects way more people than the number of people who work at Oculus.

 

[FinaruDensetsu]

And all the employees there. They still haven't quit their jobs and fell on their sword. One man is a douche, let's make sure we have as many innocent casualties as possible.

Who has said anything at all negative about the innocent employees who don't and haven't supported Palmer? Don't be dense, stop creating strawmen for yourself to knock down.

 

[aeolist]

So Luckey happens to support a candidate that aligns somewhat with his racist views, just like the organization that he funds.

My point is that the issue isn't that Palmer "just supports Trump".

Even though he lied about that aspect as well.

i'm not saying that supporting trump itself is the issue either, i was just correcting you and pointing out that his entire statement was untrue

 

[The Faceless Master]

They aren't "working for" Palmer. His role is "founder" and he's a kid,

i gotta say, this one thing.... ugh

he's a 24 year old grown ass man

HE IS NOT A KID

 

[Shaanyboi]

And all the employees there. They still haven't quit their jobs and fell on their sword. One man is a douche, let's make sure we have as many innocent casualties as possible.

That douche is being protected by his company. No one is condemning the low-level programmer fresh out of school. People have problems with Luckey and the stance by Oculus management in supporting him.

 

[FinaruDensetsu]

i gotta say, this one thing.... ugh

he's a 24 year old grown ass man

HE IS NOT A KID

Some people hit puberty real late. Look at Trump he was still a kid at 61.

 

[Koobion]

Carmack has faced criticism in the past, after a woman asked him about the “gender gap” in virtual reality and he replied, “We are having a hard time hiring all the people we want. It doesn’t matter what they look like."

What does this mean exactly? Is he saying that they are struggling to find people skilled enough for their standards?

 

[Makai]

What does this mean exactly? Is he saying that they are struggling to find people skilled enough for their standards?

Yes. He does some pretty specialized stuff, so I can understand.

 

[VillageBC]

Who has said anything at all negative about the innocent employees who don't and haven't supported Palmer? Don't be dense, stop creating strawmen for yourself to knock down.

Boycott efforts to hurt a company imply it will affect employees. Cause and effect and all that.

 

[Mr Git]

What an almighty clusterfuck. That they're just trying to sweep this under the rug is not just proper cunty but clearly the worst PR. I'll just get a Vive.

 

[Foggy]

While I think Oculus does need its feet held to the fire and be harshly criticized for how all of this has been handled, I'd feel pretty gross if we find out Iribe was trying to find his mom because of a family emergency

 

[Jigorath]

Something similar happened when I tried to ask Oculus CEO Brendan Iribe about Palmer. “I...I can’t,” Iribe told me. “I have to go find my mom, sorry.”

I think this is my new favorite excuse.

 

[Krejlooc]

Boycott efforts to hurt a company imply it will affect employees. Cause and effect and all that.

Supporting the alt-right will affect more people in the long run.