You have no sense of humour
In theory yes.If it is indeed 20 CUs, around 4.5TFs, will this be enough to get pretty much the graphics of its bigger brother, but in 1080p?
If it is indeed 20 CUs, around 4.5TFs, will this be enough to get pretty much the graphics of its bigger brother, but in 1080p?
Hmmmm.....how is he getting this info so readily? And it's that too many CUs for a 4TF console?
How does it work in other industries? Do the 'journalists' report half stories there too to tease readers and help market the products?
It's actually not weaker. RDNA2 make it stronger than last gen GCN.The specs on the Lockhart just don’t make sense with the One X being a thing. I get that it’s a different architecture, but I don’t see why they’d improve the CPU and then have a seemingly weaker GPU than the One X.
I’m ready for them to talk about this thing and tell me what their performance target is.
Somebody had to say it.... I mean, only Xbox would have this braindead strategy to build up the Tflops count as the most important thing. The be-all and end-all to next gen, while downplaying the SSD cause PS5's is faster.
Then they reveal that they actually want to sell a 4 tflop machine, the Series X is just for their enthusiast crowd and will never be utilized properly to harness the advantages and deliver a next gen experience...... it's just a resolution bump machine basically.
It's not exactly weaker. in a real-world workload it would be "stronger". I researched the topic after people on this board mentioned it to me before. But TFLOPS is a theoretical calculation/measurement of how much the GPU can do in a second. In practice because there's so many parts involved you don't actually get that level of performance. Even if the GPU is rated for that performance you aren't going to get it.The specs on the Lockhart just don’t make sense with the One X being a thing. I get that it’s a different architecture, but I don’t see why they’d improve the CPU and then have a seemingly weaker GPU than the One X.
I’m ready for them to talk about this thing and tell me what their performance target is.
If it is indeed 20 CUs, around 4.5TFs, will this be enough to get pretty much the graphics of its bigger brother, but in 1080p?
Sure, I'm mostly just trying to have a back and forth with you guys.... it's just a bit of fun. I know that you guys will get an Xbox and I am not trying to convince anyone otherwise or say it's a bad choice. I'm glad the choice is there.Apple and Google are already going with the same strategy that MS is going to utilize for next generation by offering a premium device and a budget devices. Price points matter, same reason PS went with a disc less version.
Yup. That's why you replied to this thread
It's not exactly weaker. in a real-world workload it would be "stronger". I researched the topic after people on this board mentioned it to me before. But TFLOPS is a theoretical calculation/measurement of how much the GPU can do in a second. In practice because there's so many parts involved you don't actually get that level of performance. Even if the GPU is rated for that performance you aren't going to get it.
An analogy would be if you were to measure how fast two people can take an item and put it on the shelf in the correct place. i.e. stock it.
Person A stocks 500 items/minute.
Person B stocks 700 items/minute.
That's their theoretical peak performance. In the real-world, the store layout, need to go fetch boxes, have people in your way, or have to deal with random things; you aren't going to be able to stock items that fast. Basically there's factors where you aren't going to be able to stock as fast as your theoretical peak performance. As you aren't just going to be able to stand still and stock the same thing over and over again.
So in areal gamereal store, lets call it Store ABC, lets say you only get 50% of your theoretical so:
Person A stocks 250 items/minute.
Person B stocks 350 items/minute.
But if you made these two workers work at Store XYZ with a more efficient layout that gives you 30% of your theoretical:
Person A stocks 350 items/minute.
Person B stocks 490 items/minute.
Person A working at Store XYZ performs just as well as Person B working at Store ABC, despite Person B being faster. So given thearchitecture of your GPUlayout of the store, you can get more performance out of person through just being more efficient with what you have already.
The numbers I picked and using percentages are all arbitrary just to illustrate the idea of how a machine that's rated to have less performance in terms of FLOPS can actually perform better.
Even Mark Cerny says the same thing:
The specs on the Lockhart just don’t make sense with the One X being a thing. I get that it’s a different architecture, but I don’t see why they’d improve the CPU and then have a seemingly weaker GPU than the One X.
I’m ready for them to talk about this thing and tell me what their performance target is.
This Bryank75 guy is actually an Xbot, he has been playing this retard card since the reveal. He constantly (not sure if intentional) exposes his cognitive capacity in other threads, e.g., insinuating that the cellphone tower emitting electromagnetic waves that are in the radio frequency could cause cancer. Then, in many Xbox threads, he is likely to post something irrelevant or exposing his ignorance in graphical tech. As someone who only owns PS4 this gen, I refused to believe that someone like this guy loves the same console.
My guess is that it will have the same 1.826 clockspeed with 20CUs meaning around 4.6TF, or around the graphical power of a PS4 Pro just to make it easier to optimize the games for across the different resolutions
It has the same CPU as the Xbox Series X and the GPU has less Ram, I believe. The Teraflops don't tell the whole story. PS4 Pro/Xbox One X Teraflops are not comparable to Next Gen Teraflopsexcuse me
can someone enlighten me why Ms wants to go down to PS4 Pro level when they have Xbox one x?
or are these 4TF superior to that 4TF meaning that TF figures are meaningless?
Because the Series X is going to be 1200p (4x the pixels of 600p)? That is both rather low, and a very strange resolution (non-integer HZ resolution). I don't think you understand how the TF difference of the GPUs work.So it's gonna run the next GTA at 600p?
The specs on the Lockhart just don’t make sense with the One X being a thing. I get that it’s a different architecture, but I don’t see why they’d improve the CPU and then have a seemingly weaker GPU than the One X.
I’m ready for them to talk about this thing and tell me what their performance target is.
Poorly chosen words. My bad. Let’s break this down into simpler terms. If the Series S winds up getting ports like the switch does, I’m not taking that upgrade. That’s MY OPINION as a current Xbox owner.how often does it need to be said that a 4TF RDNA2 GPU is not only faster when playing the same code as the One X's GPU, but also has more modern features the One X could not even display without a massive performance penalty
I still hope it is targeting at least 1440p 60fps.
Right, anyone who cares enough about CUs on Lockhart wouldn't be buying one anyway.
it is a budget value play, which IMO makes a ton of sense when you look at the wasteland of an economy these consoles are launching into.
I could be wrong, but I thought the Cyberpunk 2077 bundle was an XB1X?Yeah, the XB1X is actually already discontinued. Any that are still available for sale are just still in the sales channel, although they seem to be out of stock pretty much everywhere that I've seen.
And a year later, you can always upsize with a new series x, and all your older games are playable with higher res graphics! Now you have 2 consoles to use around your place.
Hmmm, 20 cu's, lower clocked, lend credibility to portable idea?
excuse me
can someone enlighten me why Ms wants to go down to PS4 Pro level when they have Xbox one x?
or are these 4TF superior to that 4TF meaning that TF figures are meaningless?
I could be wrong, but I thought the Cyberpunk 2077 bundle was an XB1X?
Yup.
And for the more casual gamers and families not wanting to spend $500 on a PS5 or SeX, they will be able to get two Lockharts if they want.
One for upstairs, one for downstairs. Or maybe one for the cottage.
I've always been a one console person (with exception of having a Genesis and SNES at the same time. Genesis for aracde and sports, SNES for Konami/Capcom games), but I'm amazed when some people I know have TWO of the same console.
And it's never them getting two high priced systems. Instead, two low priced systems. Or perhaps one when it's high, but a second 4 years later when it's cheap. Tons of people seemed to have two PS2s.
Can't be as much as Sony is paying Jason Schrier.
XB1X will be phased out. You're comparing RDNA 2 vs GCN. RDNA2 is significantly more efficient, allowing for significantly better performance than a GCN GPU.
XB1X does not have a Zen 2 CPU or a SSD. XB1X will not be able to play games built exclusively for next gen that require a SSD and Zen 2 CPU.