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USA crushes Australia 61-0 in Football World Cup opening.

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cdyhybrid

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Bleepey said:
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He is about the same and doesn't need body armour.
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He also doesn't hit, or get hit, nearly as hard.
 
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FrenchMovieTheme said:
so would this be considered america's "Z" team that is playing in this FWC? never heard of most of these guys. sad that we can basically put a bunch of nobodies on the field and stomp out every other country with ease. imagine if they had to play real football players who were coached by the ghost of bill walsh.

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The only country in the world which plays American Football is the US. So I wouldn't be shocked if they rounded up the best high-school players and those guys were winning 41-0.

As it is, no, it would not be funny if they took the rosters of the Pro Bowl and picked those guys to play in this. The game wouldn't last a quarter before they called it because it was 108-0 and the Mercy Rule came into effect.
 
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Brobzoid said:
I don't watch much american sports, but american football vs european football primarily seems to be strategy versus tactics.
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American Football is about both strategy and tactics.
 
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iamblades

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Hopefully when rugby comes back into the olympic games and America wins again it doesn't start another riot that gets the game banned from the olympics for almost another century. :p

In large part it was probably that bullshit that resulted in football taking over the US completely and why rugby was almost completely forgotten. Although football was already waay more popular than rugby, I imagine rugby would have continued to grow alongside it if there was a national team.

I doubt we'll win in 2016 though, I don't think the organization in the US is that strong ATM. Though it is only sevens, we should be able to field a pretty decent sevens team with the resources of the US olympic team behind it..
 
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xbhaskarx said:
I like how you don't even mention that one group wears helmets and pads.
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Which allows them to hit even harder and cause more damage.

I suggest putting on pads and a helmet and letting someone with ability tackle you. Then come back and tell us how you barely felt anything thanks to a helmet and pads.

Let's not forget that most of the players in football (esp at the linebacker, safety, full back, running back positions) are physical specimens that go through rigorous strength and conditioning training.
 
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Blackface

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Milchjon said:
Wroooooong!

Football players hit 3 times as hard. Go stand in the corner!
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Did you just link something where

A) They used La's "rugby team" as an example of strong and good Rugby players. LOOOOOOOOL

B) They made the Rugby player hit a PERSON

C) They allowed the football player to hit a dummies, with two hands, pushing it to double the force due to small impact points?

Do Football players hit harder, yes. Simply because of the nature of the game. Timing, knowing opposing teams plays, predictability and gear.

Both different sports. You put a football player into a rugby game and he won't hit as hard. You put a Rugby player into a football game, and he could hit just as hard(both with training).
 
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Guerrillas in the Mist said:
It's gaining ground in some Universities here in Britain. Curiously, Rugby is (apparently) becoming increasingly popular at some Colleges in the States.
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Rugby's been a fixture in some American colleges for a long time now. There are a number of American colleges which field both College Football and Rugby teams.
 
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nVidiot_Whore

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American Football is about the only sport I can stand watching.

I love playing Soccer, but do not understand it's popularity as a spectator sport.

It reminds me of baseball.. both baseball and soccer have some of the most exciting "highlight reals" you'll ever see, but both sports involve hours of little to nothing going on. And yes, I played both soccer and baseball extensively.. and understand the nuances of good pitching, good defensive playing in soccer, etc.. it's still not fun to watch.

And yes.. I realize the majority of time on a Football game is not spent actually playing either.. but each and every play has some suspense to it, making it far more enthralling to watch.
 
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iamblades

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Blackface said:
Did you just link something where

A) They used La's "rugby team" as an example of strong and good Rugby players. LOOOOOOOOL

B) They made the Rugby player hit a PERSON

C) They allowed the football player to hit a dummies, with two hands, pushing it to double the force due to small impact points?

Do Football players hit harder, yes. Simply because of the nature of the game. Timing, knowing opposing teams plays, predictability and gear.

Both different sports. You put a football player into a rugby game and he won't hit as hard. You put a Rugby player into a football game, and he could hit just as hard(both with training).
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It's a fairly shitty comparison, but all you really need to know is that people were dying playing football on a regular basis before the safety gear came into the game(to the point that the game almost got banned by the federal government), while you don't see rugby players getting killed left and right.

It's obviously an apples and oranges comparison, but people who use the 'football players wear pad so they are scared wimps' obviously have no clue what they are talking about.
 
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speedpop

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By all accounts there are rules and regulations in place for both rugby codes so life-threatening injuries aren't possible. American football does their own scheme and used helmets and pads; even then certain rugby players in the past used pads themselves, as well as soft-cushioned helms.
 
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ViperVisor said:
American Football is helped with artificial limits and rules and what not that have changed a lot or evolved over 100 years. There is the clock that ticks away. Sometimes the clock is frozen and the tension builds because this is likely win or lose.

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SuperMalo Killin me! Viper I could actually watch that first GIF for like 5 minutes, thanks for posting.
 
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speedpop

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cdyhybrid said:
I don't see a problem or any defensiveness. People are trying to correct an ignorant statement/belief.
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The problem is many people who throw the accusation around will never change their opinion regardless of the facts.
 
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diehard

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Btw there has been 71 recorded deaths in rugby in it's 110 years.
In football between 1931 and 2006 there was 1,006 direct and 683 indirect fatalities.
The average life expectancy is 20 years shorter for someone who plays in the NFL.

Please, somebody say those pads are for pussies again.
 
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Blackface

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kevm3 said:
This is one of the reasons they wear pads
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mwdWtbp4Bk&feature=related
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That was a huge hit, but it was a huge hit for various reasons. A big one being predictability. Football players run routes. They catch in certain areas. if you know it's coming, you could destroy someone who is not expecting it.

Yes that is why they do rock gear. Because of the rules of the sport, it ALLOWS bigger hits to happen. Also, when you wear gear, you hit HARDER. It's basic physics. When you put huge plastic helmets, shoulders, etc., on. You have more mass. Something with more mass will do more damage on impact. Helmet to Helmet hits are a big problem because of this. It's like throwing something with a weight at the end of it.

It's the same reason getting hit with a boxing glove on, does more internal damage then getting hit with an MMA glove.

Football players are not pussies for wearing gear. Thats a dumb argument. But if you took football players and made them play professional rugby, those same hits would NOT happen. Due to the nature of how Rugby is played.
 
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dIEHARD said:
Btw there has been 71 recorded deaths in rugby in it's 110 years.
In football between 1931 and 2006 there was 1,006 direct and 683 indirect fatalities.
The average life expectancy is 20 years shorter for someone who plays in the NFL.

Please, somebody say those pads are for pussies again.
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You know, after some years of watching football, I still occasionally get put of by the risks of it. I don't know how people can cheer a crushing hit or make fun of someone who's got signs of a concussion when you know that it's taking years off his life. Or maybe he'll just lose brain functions and kill himself or others.
All those "pussy" discussions don't make alot of sense. Rugby isn't more exciting just because they play without pads.
The only time the word pussy is justified is the constant diving in soccer. (Another reason why Football is superior: In the NFL there's incentive for staying on your feet. In soccer, you profit from falling down.)
 
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elsk

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dIEHARD said:
Btw there has been 71 recorded deaths in rugby in it's 110 years.
In football between 1931 and 2006 there was 1,006 direct and 683 indirect fatalities.
The average life expectancy is 20 years shorter for someone who plays in the NFL.

Please, somebody say those pads are for pussies again.
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Obviously, they're fat.
 
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iamblades said:
It's a fairly shitty comparison, but all you really need to know is that people were dying playing football on a regular basis before the safety gear came into the game(to the point that the game almost got banned by the federal government), while you don't see rugby players getting killed left and right.

It's obviously an apples and oranges comparison, but people who use the 'football players wear pad so they are scared wimps' obviously have no clue what they are talking about.
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Bad example, when the federal government considered banning football, it's rules were not very different than rugby's. It was that threat of banning the sport that introduced the concepts of downs and the forward pass, the two rules that differentiate football most from rugby union.

However, the fact remains that hitting without tackling is illegal in the game of rugby and greatly encouraged in football. This means that the average collision in a game of football is far more violent and dangerous.

Furthermore, to all of the people complaining about the name "football", rugby is also known as rugby football and I remember when I was living in the UK there was a Scottish rugby commentator who always insisted on calling rugby "football" instead of "rugby". Sports like American football, rugby union, rugby league, gaelic football, australian rules football, and soccer are all referred to as football not because the games are played with your feet but rather because they are played on foot.
 
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ThisWreckage

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I suppose I've learned that the only thing more insufferable than sports fanaticism is sports fanatics arguing that their sport of choice is more exciting, dangerous, etc.
 
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Freshmaker said:
Good to know the injuries have magically stopped in your sport of choice. No more headbutts, not more torn ligaments etc. It's all risk free.
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There's real injuries all the time in Football. In soccer there just faking it like your girlfriend does.
 
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saunderez

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While I have to agree the hits are bigger in Football than Rugby Union, I think Rugby League has some equally big hits without the armour.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5cWUXx5eYQ

League also had a big problem with life threatening injuries but instituted rules to prevent and penalise dangerous plays which has helped to a large degree.
 
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dejay

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Why can't people have a thread about a sport without a bunch of fuckwits going on about how the sport is invalid, how shit it is, how their sport it better, yadda, yadda?

Either learn to appreciate something different or stay in your own little hole.
 
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Sky Chief said:
Bad example, when the federal government considered banning football, it's rules were not very different than rugby's. It was that threat of banning the sport that introduced the concepts of downs and the forward pass, the two rules that differentiate football most from rugby union.

However, the fact remains that hitting without tackling is illegal in the game of rugby and greatly encouraged in football. This means that the average collision in a game of football is far more violent and dangerous.

Furthermore, to all of the people complaining about the name "football", rugby is also known as rugby football and I remember when I was living in the UK there was a Scottish rugby commentator who always insisted on calling rugby "football" instead of "rugby". Sports like American football, rugby union, rugby league, gaelic football, australian rules football, and soccer are all referred to as football not because the games are played with your feet but rather because they are played on foot.
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Downs(which were and technically still are in rugby, the difference is in how play is restarted from a down, and the fact that in football you can renew your set of downs by advancing the ball) , the center snap-back and the line of scrimmage are what made football more dangerous than rugby, and they were adopted well before football was almost banned.

The play stopping on a downed ball allows players to go full speed on every play, which you couldn't in rugby because you'd run out of energy. The center snap and the line of scrimmage because they increased the distance between the ball and the defense which also increased closing speed and made it head on instead of diagonal or sideways.

The forward pass was an a attempt to make the game safer that probably did the opposite, but that happened later, the game was way different from rugby well before the forward pass was introduced..
 
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Submarino Conversível said:
Do I need to post pictures of legs snapping?
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How often does that happen though? My dad watches soccer all the time and I rarely see anyone actually be injured for real. More often I see someone faking it and get up two secs like it was nothing because it wasn't.
 
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Myansie

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Man that's a terrible thread title.

Meanwhile in football news that actually matters, the Reds beat the Crusaders in the Super Rugby grand final.

Which is the first time since 2004 an Australian team has won.
 
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nVidiot_Whore said:
American Football is about the only sport I can stand watching.

I love playing Soccer, but do not understand it's popularity as a spectator sport.

It reminds me of baseball.. both baseball and soccer have some of the most exciting "highlight reals" you'll ever see, but both sports involve hours of little to nothing going on. And yes, I played both soccer and baseball extensively.. and understand the nuances of good pitching, good defensive playing in soccer, etc.. it's still not fun to watch.

And yes.. I realize the majority of time on a Football game is not spent actually playing either.. but each and every play has some suspense to it, making it far more enthralling to watch.
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You probably don't see it's appeal as a spectator sport because (I'm assuming) you don't follow a team seriously. I can never make it halfway through the Superbowl for all the pauses but if I had an attachment to any team in the NFL and therefore knew the backgrounds of the competing teams and their players I'm sure I'd be able to sit through it.
 
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cdyhybrid said:
He also doesn't hit, or get hit, nearly as hard.
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Justly, because he doesn't wear body armor. When you are wearing shock absorbing equipment, you will consequently want to exploit that fact and hit differently then if you didn't. If american football didn't have pads, it would not be played the way it is now.

Also going by the absurd logic that ferocity and force are determining factors in the quality of a sport, let us just stop arguing now and crown boxing and mma as the only sports for REAL MEN.

I'm with opiate on this one, i think the most desirable quality in an athletic sport is a game defined by a set of rules that limits physical bias as much as possible. Arguably the best footballer of all time was 5 foot 5... it's not how you were born, it's what you have it in you to become.
 
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We are superior at majority of international sports so it makes sense USA are better at their home grown, exclusive sports :).
 
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