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Media Create Sales: Week 17, 2013 (Apr 22 - Apr 28)

Chris1964

Sales-Age Genius
At this point I don't understand the whole discussion about Vita in Japan anymore, what are you guys discussing exactly?

There is a demand for the console, there is going to be a market for it and studios are going to keep releasing games based on their perception of that market. The same reason that 3DS gets Hatsune Miku Mirai and Vita gets Hatsune Miku DIVA.

If you believe Vita is going to vanish and 3DS is going to get the whole handheld market at this point, well, I'm pretty sure that won't happen.

2012 software 3DS/PSV=90%
2013 software 3DS/PSV>90%

That looks like 3DS having the whole handheld market to me.
 

I know, but I think BN traditionally make these games different for Japan and for NA/EU, so I'm doubting this is the same game as the western one.

Like Inti Creates made a PR game for Wii and DS a couple of years ago, that was only in the west, Japan got a Wii game I think of the Sentai series by Paon instead, the former was like a beat-em-up, the latter was more like a Musou game.
 

Takao

Banned
I know, but I think BN traditionally make these games different for Japan and for NA/EU, so I'm doubting this is the same game as the western one.

Like Inti Creates made a PR game for Wii and DS a couple of years ago, that was only in the west, Japan got a Wii game I think of the Sentai series by Paon instead, the former was like a beat-em-up, the latter was more like a Musou game.

I was just trying to say I mentioned the Sentai 3DS game in that thread last week. Siliconera is just slow, lol.
 
2012 software 3DS/PSV=90%
2013 software 3DS/PSV>90%

That looks like 3DS having the whole handheld market to me.

Yeah, whether one likes it or not, it's silly at this point to discuss Nintendo having an effective monopoly in the dedicated handheld market as though it's a hypothetical. I could be wrong about Vita dying an early death and it could have a few more years ahead of it as a niche platform, but either way, it's well past the point where there's more than a vanishingly small chance of taking any significant market share from 3DS.

Jesus H Christ. Everyone always says panic Nintendo is so good but I disagree.

As well you should; stupid meme is stupid. They don't have any panic button they can push until at least July, when they might be able to start getting first-party releases out on something vaguely resembling a regular basis.
 

L Thammy

Member
2012 software 3DS/PSV=90%
2013 software 3DS/PSV>90%

That looks like 3DS having the whole handheld market to me.

This should speak for itself, but beyond that: platform choice is most likely going to come about due to potential for profit. "Our game is niche, so let's put it on the Vita" isn't sound reasoning.

The games that will come out on the Vita will probably be similar to other things that sell there (e.g. otaku games, perhaps hunting action games). Others might avoid fierce competition or have Sony helping them reduce their costs.
 

DaBoss

Member
Maybe but I didn't know how much the ps2, ps1 or even ps3 sold in their first year in Japan so if you could tell me that I could make a better assessment.

I don't know the first year numbers for the PS2, but the PS3 has had 1.3 million sold according to Garaph in its first 52 weeks. I imagine the PS2 sold a lot more than that.
 
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|System | This Week  | Last Week  | Last Year  |     YTD    |  Last YTD  |     LTD     |
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|  WIU  |      8.262 |      8.798 |            |    268.787 |            |     896.074 |
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Scramble U indeed.

Is that Steins;Gate game a sequel?

This Steins;Gate game's sales looks pretty low if it's a sequel.

Seems to be a new game but with more of a focus on the series' supporting characters. I guess there's...an alpaca superhero or something?
 
Shit....and MH,Pokemon, and Dream Team haven't even been released. How was the split between Gamecube and PS2 on average?

I wonder more what the DS/PSP split was like before MH. Not that the PSP was doing anywhere near as poorly as the Vita is doing currently, but it was MH that really catapulted it into a true mainstream device.
 

Thorgal

Member
Ooooh its one of those .
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import it is then.


to better understand the japanese mind off course .
 

jakncoke

Banned
Yeah that is shocking. That means not a SINGLE Wii U software title is selling more then 4400 retail....

That means two things: A.) The 8000 people buying Wii U's aren't rushing to get titles and/or B.) Nintendo doesn't have a single hit software title where at least 50% of the new owners want to pick it up, plus any late comers.

That possible factoid is way more damning towards the Wii U then 8000 units sold. It doesn't move any software in retail stores, and therefore, may lose retailer support completely (if it hasn't already). Who would waste shelf space on the thing...

C) Buying used games
 

BriBri

Member
Only just got round to reading thus thread. Be interesting to see the top 50 and where all the Vita Best titles charted.

And few seem to have commented on the lower base for 3DS, not that it's a major concern with Tomodachi last week, Golden week next plus Monster Hunter and Pokémon to come, but a redesigned 3DS (original as opposed to XL/LL), maybe at a lower price, ready for Pokémon with those smaller handed players would be a great idea.
 
Only just got round to reading thus thread. Be interesting to see the top 50 and where all the Vita Best titles charted.

And few seem to have commented on the lower base for 3DS, not that it's a major concern with Tomodachi last week, Golden week next plus Monster Hunter and Pokémon to come, but a redesigned 3DS (original as opposed to XL/LL), maybe at a lower price, ready for Pokémon with those smaller handed players would be a great idea.

I think those games will be enough to sell 3DS this year. Also, Zelda is pushed to 2014 in Japan, so it's likely they're planning another big release for the holiday season (Kirby?).
 

DaBoss

Member
What do people think Infinite or Dark Arisen would have sold on the Wii U out of curiosity? It's at roughly half the 360's installed base.

Less than the 360 version is my guess.

Though it technically is a bit flawed since the Wii U could be potentially selling better if it had more games coming out.
 

Sandfox

Member
Can't say I agree. Pretty sure that might be different when we finally get news on the Final Fantasy for next-gen consoles. I assume even if its cross-gen it will still be able to push PS4 to a early mild success, or at the very least more successful than the launch of the wii-u.

We don't when know when FF is coming(probably won't be this year or early 2014) and it would need more than that to take off early in its life.

2012 software 3DS/PSV=90%
2013 software 3DS/PSV>90%

That looks like 3DS having the whole handheld market to me.

That's pretty surprising but given how a lot of the 3DS games this year has preformed and how the Vita hasn't really gotten too many big name games this year it makes sense.
 
This reminds me, PES14 and Wii U and Vita? Can't find anything that says that it will be on either.
Comments were from the series marketing producer to Spanish press iirc, it was late last year. Basically saying no for 2013, but "next year" Wii U and Vita will happen. When I'm not on my phone I'll look for a link.
 

hiska-kun

Member
Guys I'm confused. I thought Vita was supposed to be at 10k or below by now.

Please, stop criticizing people when you're the first that fails.

Personally, I think the people predicting sub-70k for Vita this month are much crazier. The fact that they're expecting sub-18k average for the month with this week probably being 25-30k says that they expect it to go back to near 10k sales almost immediately.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=52475091&postcount=1958

Famitsu: 19.879 + 14.755 + 14.666 + 17.070 = 66.370
 
Please, stop criticizing people when you're the first that fails.



http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=52475091&postcount=1958

Famitsu: 19.879 + 14.755 + 14.666 + 17.070 = 66.370

And if those predictions were based on Famitsu numbers you'd have a point. Nice attempt at "Ownage" though, I'm sure you were very excited. The fact that you cut off the part of my post where I explicitly say my prediciton is based on the previous week's MC numbers is most telling.
 

darkside31337

Tomodachi wa Mahou
Haha. That guy is funny. Even if you add the mc, it's only 70,493 sales. People were right predicting for a sub-70k

Well technically they were wrong.

Really confused at this "Gotcha" attempt when you have to use the other tracker to prove your point because it was actually over 70k.

He was much closer than the people saying it'd already be back at sub 10k levels. Thats just factually correct.
 

hiska-kun

Member
Based on famitsu because the prediction league use Famitsu numbers so the result will be this (even I prefer MC for sure).

But it's very easy to criticize others when you're not predicting. And you always do that.
 
And if those predictions were based on Famitsu numbers you'd have a point. Nice attempt at "Ownage" though, I'm sure you were very excited. The fact that you cut off the part of my post where I explicitly say my prediciton is based on the previous week's MC numbers is most telling.

Oh give me a break, the MC numbers barely bring it above 70k. Don't pretend like you were in any way right when you get called out for criticizing others for wrong predictions. Everyone is wrong a lot of the time, so just stop running off at the mouth with things like this and Hatsune Miku and you wont get criticized

He was much closer than the people saying it'd already be back at sub 10k levels. Thats just factually correct.


Who predicted less than 40k this month for Vita? Most of the predictions (including my own) were either very optimistic or as close as the people who were very optimistic because people seemed to give Vita the benefit of the doubt with those march sales
 

Eteric Rice

Member
This reminds me of people thinking LBP was going to be a hit in JP back then when PS3 was doing bad lol.

Yeah, hell, I remember arguing that Little Big Planet could be done in some forms on the PS2. People told me I was full of it, then suddenly the PSP version was revealed.

Systems dying and coming back from the grave is why I won't count the Wii U out just yet. After the PSP coming back to life, and to a lesser extent, the PS3 (was kind of dead for a while, then came back), I can't really say that shit is dead. Apparently, death can be temporary in the console and handheld world.

All it takes is one game that sets the world on fire. Question is, can Nintendo make that game?
 

Nekki

Member
Well technically they were wrong.

Really confused at this "Gotcha" attempt when you have to use the other tracker to prove your point because it was actually over 70k.

He was much closer than the people saying it'd already be back at sub 10k levels. Thats just factually correct.

Should pop the champagne open for those extra 500 units sold!! In your faces nonbelievers!
 

Lexxism

Member
donny2112 and deathcobra almost got it right. They just missed the extra 500 sold for Vita :lol

Predictions:

[PSV] Hardware (28 days) - 70K
[3DS] Cardfight!! Vanguard Ride to Victory (18 days) - 40K
[3DS] Tomodachi Collection Shin Seikatsu (11 days) - 450K
[PS3+360] Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm 3 (11 days) - 100K
[PSP] 7th Dragon 2020 II (11 days) - 100K
[PS3] Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen (4 days) - 325K

Prediction League April, 2013

Predict how much these titles will sell in the month (from Apr 01 to Apr 28):

[PSV] Hardware (28 days) - 77,777
[3DS] Cardfight!! Vanguard Ride to Victory (18 days) - 55,555
[3DS] Tomodachi Collection Shin Seikatsu (11 days) - 444,444
[PS3+360] Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm 3 (11 days) - 88,888
[PSP] 7th Dragon 2020 II (11 days) - 111,111
[PS3] Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen (4 days) - 111,111

[PSV] Hardware (28 days) - 76,777
[3DS] Cardfight!! Vanguard Ride to Victory (18 days) - 51,777
[3DS] Tomodachi Collection Shin Seikatsu (11 days) - 524,777
[PS3+360] Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm 3 (11 days) - 84,777
[PSP] 7th Dragon 2020 II (11 days) - 125,777
[PS3] Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen (4 days) - 58,777

Prediction League April, 2013

Predict how much these titles will sell in the month (from Apr 01 to Apr 28):

[PSV] Hardware (28 days) - 100.000
[3DS] Cardfight!! Vanguard Ride to Victory (18 days) - 45.000
[3DS] Tomodachi Collection Shin Seikatsu (11 days) - 350.000
[PS3+360] Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm 3 (11 days) - 120.000
[PSP] 7th Dragon 2020 II (11 days) - 90.000
[PS3] Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen (4 days) - 120.000

Predictions:

[PSV] Hardware (28 days) - 95,000
[3DS] Cardfight!! Vanguard Ride to Victory (18 days) - 58,000
[3DS] Tomodachi Collection Shin Seikatsu (11 days) - 380,000
[PS3+360] Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm 3 (11 days) - 85,000
[PSP] 7th Dragon 2020 II (11 days) - 80,000
[PS3] Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen (4 days) - 110,000

Predictions:

[PSV] Hardware (28 days) - 76,000
[3DS] Cardfight!! Vanguard Ride to Victory (18 days) - 48,000
[3DS] Tomodachi Collection Shin Seikatsu (11 days) - 575,000
[PS3+360] Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm 3 (11 days) - 111,000
[PSP] 7th Dragon 2020 II (11 days) - 80,000
[PS3] Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen (4 days) - 110,000

Predictions

[PSV] Hardware (28 days) - 78.453
[3DS] Cardfight!! Vanguard Ride to Victory (18 days) - 51.003
[3DS] Tomodachi Collection Shin Seikatsu (11 days) - 395.205
[PS3+360] Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm 3 (11 days) - 82.489
[PSP] 7th Dragon 2020 II (11 days) - 75.356
[PS3] Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen (4 days) - 92.439

Predictions

[PSV] Hardware (28 days) - 76.543
[3DS] Cardfight!! Vanguard Ride to Victory (18 days) - 56.789
[3DS] Tomodachi Collection Shin Seikatsu (11 days) - 456.789
[PS3+360] Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm 3 (11 days) - 98.765
[PSP] 7th Dragon 2020 II (11 days) - 87.654
[PS3] Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen (4 days) - 123.456

[PSV] Hardware (28 days) - 70,000
[3DS] Cardfight!! Vanguard Ride to Victory (18 days) - 60,000
[3DS] Tomodachi Collection Shin Seikatsu (11 days) - 500,000 (!)
[PS3+360] Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm 3 (11 days) - 100,000
[PSP] 7th Dragon 2020 II (11 days) - 70,000
[PS3] Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen (4 days) - 140,000

Prediction League April, 2013

Predict how much these titles will sell in the month (from Apr 01 to Apr 28):

[PSV] Hardware (28 days) - 82.000
[3DS] Cardfight!! Vanguard Ride to Victory (18 days) - 70.000
[3DS] Tomodachi Collection Shin Seikatsu (11 days) - 480.000
[PS3+360] Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm 3 (11 days) - 150.000
[PSP] 7th Dragon 2020 II (11 days) - 95.000
[PS3] Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen (4 days) - 101.000

[PSV] Hardware (28 days) - 80000
[3DS] Cardfight!! Vanguard Ride to Victory (18 days) - 40000
[3DS] Tomodachi Collection Shin Seikatsu (11 days) - 350000
[PS3+360] Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm 3 (11 days) - 70000
[PSP] 7th Dragon 2020 II (11 days) - 100000
[PS3] Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen (4 days) - 150000

Predict how much these titles will sell in the month (from Apr 01 to Apr 28):

[PSV] Hardware (28 days) - 65000
[3DS] Cardfight!! Vanguard Ride to Victory (18 days) - 57000
[3DS] Tomodachi Collection Shin Seikatsu (11 days) - 405000
[PS3+360] Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm 3 (11 days) - 89000
[PSP] 7th Dragon 2020 II (11 days) - 101000
[PS3] Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen (4 days) - 95000

Prediction League April, 2013

Predict how much these titles will sell in the month (from Apr 01 to Apr 28):

[PSV] Hardware (28 days) - 75.000
[3DS] Cardfight!! Vanguard Ride to Victory (18 days) - 60.000
[3DS] Tomodachi Collection Shin Seikatsu (11 days) - 440.000
[PS3+360] Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm 3 (11 days) - 110.000
[PSP] 7th Dragon 2020 II (11 days) - 90.000
[PS3] Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen (4 days) - 105.000

Predictions

[PSV] Hardware (28 days) - 56000
[3DS] Cardfight!! Vanguard Ride to Victory (18 days) - 57000
[3DS] Tomodachi Collection Shin Seikatsu (11 days) - 736000
[PS3+360] Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm 3 (11 days) - 132000
[PSP] 7th Dragon 2020 II (11 days) - 98000
[PS3] Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen (4 days) - 74000

Prediction League April, 2013

Predict how much these titles will sell in the month (from Apr 01 to Apr 28):

[PSV] Hardware (28 days) - 85.000
[3DS] Cardfight!! Vanguard Ride to Victory (18 days) - 55.000
[3DS] Tomodachi Collection Shin Seikatsu (11 days) - 290.000
[PS3+360] Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm 3 (11 days) - 75.000
[PSP] 7th Dragon 2020 II (11 days) - 85.000
[PS3] Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen (4 days) - 95.000

[PSV] Hardware (28 days) -95000
[3DS] Cardfight!! Vanguard Ride to Victory (18 days) - 52000
[3DS] Tomodachi Collection Shin Seikatsu (11 days) - 395000
[PS3+360] Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm 3 (11 days) -92500
[PSP] 7th Dragon 2020 II (11 days) - 85000
[PS3] Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen (4 days) - 125000

I dont really understand the Vita predictions, are we really thinking 25k+ each week? What exactly is going to hold those kind of sales in April?

[PSV] Hardware (28 days) - 61000
[3DS] Cardfight!! Vanguard Ride to Victory (18 days) - 64000
[3DS] Tomodachi Collection Shin Seikatsu (11 days) - 669000
[PS3+360] Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm 3 (11 days) -71000
[PSP] 7th Dragon 2020 II (11 days) - 80000
[PS3] Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen (4 days) - 105000

[PSV] Hardware (28 days) - 80K
[3DS] Cardfight!! Vanguard Ride to Victory (18 days) - 50K
[3DS] Tomodachi Collection Shin Seikatsu (11 days) - 580K
[PS3+360] Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm 3 (11 days) - 70K
[PSP] 7th Dragon 2020 II (11 days) - 75K
[PS3] Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen (4 days) - 100K

[PSV] Hardware (28 days) - 100,999
[3DS] Cardfight!! Vanguard Ride to Victory (18 days) - 48,765
[3DS] Tomodachi Collection Shin Seikatsu (11 days) - 654,321
[PS3+360] Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm 3 (11 days) - 94,765
[PSP] 7th Dragon 2020 II (11 days) - 87,000
[PS3] Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen (4 days) - 91,000

[PSV] Hardware (28 days) - 150,000
[3DS] Cardfight!! Vanguard Ride to Victory (18 days) - 65,000
[3DS] Tomodachi Collection Shin Seikatsu (11 days) - 500,000
[PS3+360] Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm 3 (11 days) - 125,000
[PSP] 7th Dragon 2020 II (11 days) - 75,000
[PS3] Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen (4 days) - 100,000

[PSV] Hardware (28 days) - 110k
[3DS] Cardfight!! Vanguard Ride to Victory (18 days) - 55k
[3DS] Tomodachi Collection Shin Seikatsu (11 days) - 350k
[PS3+360] Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm 3 (11 days) - 105k
[PSP] 7th Dragon 2020 II (11 days) - 80k
[PS3] Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen (4 days) - 100k

Prediction League April, 2013

Predict how much these titles will sell in the month (from Apr 01 to Apr 28):

[PSV] Hardware (28 days) - 95.000
[3DS] Cardfight!! Vanguard Ride to Victory (18 days) - 66.000
[3DS] Tomodachi Collection Shin Seikatsu (11 days) - 410.000
[PS3+360] Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm 3 (11 days) - 72.000
[PSP] 7th Dragon 2020 II (11 days) - 114.000
[PS3] Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen (4 days) - 155.000
 
Oh give me a break, the MC numbers barely bring it above 70k. Don't pretend like you were in any way right when you get called out for criticizing others for wrong predictions. Everyone is wrong a lot of the time, so just stop running off at the mouth with things like this and Hatsune Miku and you wont get criticized

I'm just going to point out that in the context of that thread, people making higher predictions were being insulted for being ridiculous, where as the very low ones (Some in the mid-50's) received no such criticism.

And I make posts like this because there's a constant drum beat of doom around the Vita for whatever reason and I find it amusing that it hasn't played out quite as dire as some have tried to make the situation seem. It will never be the PSP but it looks like it could at least be viable for support, which is more than anyone would've thought even a few months back. Moreover it's a little different to criticize group think on a message board the way I was than it is to explicitly attempt to call someone out (And in the case of what the guy who sparked this did, misrepresent the initial post).

Either way though, just like last time I really hate the way this thread keeps getting derailed by arguments on semantics, of which I doubt either of us are interested in.
 
I'm just going to point out that in the context of that thread, people making higher predictions were being insulted for being ridiculous, where as the very low ones (Some in the mid-50's) received no such criticism.

I don't recall anyone ever being insulted. I remember people pointing out the idea that Vita would sell 25k a week for 4 weeks straight being called very unlikely, but no one was insulted. The person who predicted 50k was a lot closer to the truth then 150k.
 
IIRC, Vita went down during Golden Week, so don't be surprised if Wii U does too.

Nintendo has a sort of built in advantage for holidays though, so it's a bit of a wild card. I remember back in the day the Gamecube would be dead for the whole year and all of a sudden make up a huge amount of difference during Christmas. I can see it getting a boost, but it's really hard to know how much if any. I can only say that I doubt a drop will happen.
 
Comments were from the series marketing producer to Spanish press iirc, it was late last year. Basically saying no for 2013, but "next year" Wii U and Vita will happen. When I'm not on my phone I'll look for a link.
You mean the equivalent of this:

Can gamers expect a Wii U version this year? If not, when? Also, is there a possibility that a Vita version may appear?
“At the time we don’t plan to make PES for the Wii U or the PS Vita. This does not mean we never will. We are still exploring these exciting platforms to make a successful game that takes advantage of these platforms.”

I.e. the typical fobbing off of a question. Because that's the extent of what my google-fu can find and doesn't really imply PES14 for either platform.
 

Sandfox

Member
So, Vita is up due to an Otaku dating game? Hahahaha.

The game currently has an anime adaption that just started airing airing(though the blu-ray preorders were pretty poor the last time I cheked so I'm surprised it did as well as it did) and the Vita is pretty much for Otaku at this point so that could have something to do with it.
 
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