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Amiibo Wolf Link to unlock a new dungeon in Twilight Princess HD ?
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Linkstrikesback
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It's a large extra cost per game though. If every new game comes with amiibos requirements (since presumably link/toon link won't be getting you the amiibos content) that's a pretty large tax to get the full game in each case.
It's really easy to see why people aren't happy about it.
I have nigh on 50 of the damn things and actually also hate them being implemented in games that aren't specifically made for amiibo.
A Link to the Past
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EDIT: I would respond to the question of whether they would make this content without amiibo around by saying "fuck, of course they would!" I mean cmon, Nintendo is a smart developer most of the time, they realize that for a game like this, you have to do SOMETHING.
Hoping sounds like a really unfortunate strategy :v
Also I checked on eBay and GameStop.com; eBayers are selling at around the same rate that Amazon has it, and GS.com doesn't even have it. BestBuy.com lists it, but it's not available online and it doesn't even give me the option to see its availability at nearby stores.
Hoping sounds like a really unfortunate strategy :v
Also I checked on eBay and GameStop.com; eBayers are selling at around the same rate that Amazon has it, and GS.com doesn't even have it. BestBuy.com lists it, but it's not available online and it doesn't even give me the option to see its availability at nearby stores.
True enough, I still try to support my local stores as much as possible. They never go down in price...except when they go out of business.
STRAWMAN! BURN! BURN IN REDDIT!!
sorry, but yeah I get it.
Omegasquash
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This is...true. It's more stuff. And I would know, I have like 19 or 20 of them already.
Oh, I'm painfully aware of Tap and Mario Maker. My son very much enjoys them, and we have a little shelf in the entertainment center for them because of it.
I kind of feel like they're in an awkward place right now with Amiibo and DLC. I think that a good middle ground is maybe having the DLC for individual sale bit by bit, or having stuffed accessed by just using an Amiibo tied to your system. There are ways that Club Nintendo (or whatever the successor is named) could be integrated in there too. Which would make my pants get tight all of a sudden.
There's lots of opportunity with it, they just have to do it in a way that incentivizes Amiibo without restricting access to actual content (I don't feel like cosmetics should count).
witchedwiz
Member
I'd welcome a future where dlc for smash is 4 dollah for one chara, but 1 dollah if you have it as an amiibo...
Or using amiibo as a massive dlc discount (e.g make that level available in zelda for 3 dollars or for free if you have the amiibo)..
it would be just fair :/
Or using amiibo as a massive dlc discount (e.g make that level available in zelda for 3 dollars or for free if you have the amiibo)..
it would be just fair :/
NeonZ
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The big difference here is the series' past and precedents. Of course, they could always add collaboration content. But would they? Mario Kart before Amiibo only had special Mario overall costumes for the Mii and that was in a single game. So, it's very likely we wouldn't see all those other costumes if they didn't need a reason to use Amiibo.
In a case like that, it doesn't feel like they're cutting content for Amiibo, but rather creating content for its use. In Mario Kart's case, they even added more through updates too.
Compare the past Fire Emblem characters in Awakening (voiceless, using generic "create an avatar" models) with the four Smash Amiibo characters in Fates that have their own exclusive classes and models. It's clear that pushing the Amiibo played a role in the implementation of those characters.
Lord Ghirahim
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Pre-order bonuses are 10... 20... 30? times as bad as amiibo. The retailer-specific pre-order DLC situation in Japan is horrible.
SaintMadeOfPlaster
Member
It's embarrassing seeing all the people defending this. Yes, we want better amiibo functionality, but that doesn't mean we want on disc DLC disguised as amiibo functionality. Something like Smash Bros is perfect. It baffles me how they got it so right the very first time, and have completely screwed it up every time since. I guess only having enough read/write data room for one game really crippled them.
That didn't add content for the other Zelda remasters, so your answer isn't backed by anything in reality. And they are doing something, they are upgrading the textures and the resolution and we already saw some gameplay changes, like they did with WW HD.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
I like buying amiibo stuff, but think this is fucking stupid. I don't want to scan an amiibo to get shit that should've already just been accessible. That's not fun. That doesn't make me feel like I'm getting an added value. It's inconvenient, pointless, and a bit insulting to people who support Nintendo's games.
A Link to the Past
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Ocarina of Time 3D had the Master Quest mode (which IIRC had some changes from the original MQ). WWHD had Hero Mode.
This also has a hero mode. It's described on the same Amazon page.
I'm kinda pissed you can't unlock characters in SSB with amiibos (like wtf is even the point of that mewtew amiibo?).
It's a good thing they're expanding the usage of amiibos because seriously it's better if they have an ongoing use rather than just 1 time you're done.
Stuffs like SSB where you use to train an AI character and stuffs is awesome, in SMM it was great to use the biggass mushroom (on top of that they're really not that hard to find, Walmart had a fuckload of them so clearly they were so far from being constrained it's not even funny).
Heck I even managed to find Shulk at regular old ass Gamestop despite it being some kind of "rare" stuffs or something.
If I wanted to get Yoshi plushes I could be swimming in them considering how much I've seen them in gamestop too.
However the functionality like in Mario kart to only unlock stuck stuffs is shit and needs to go.
Great you paid money for a costume! and now that figurine is going to collect dust and do nothing at all!
This is going to be great if you can do something with the link amiibos for ongoing play or something or very bad if it's only the key to a dungeon or some crap.
My ranty point is that SSB or SMM 30th anniversary use for amiibos is awesome.
regular amiibos use for SMM or MK or Splatoon is shite and needs to die in a fire.
More amiibo use is good.
BTW I'm getting the game and the amiibo anyway so I'll get to that content, that's for sure.
It's a good thing they're expanding the usage of amiibos because seriously it's better if they have an ongoing use rather than just 1 time you're done.
Stuffs like SSB where you use to train an AI character and stuffs is awesome, in SMM it was great to use the biggass mushroom (on top of that they're really not that hard to find, Walmart had a fuckload of them so clearly they were so far from being constrained it's not even funny).
Heck I even managed to find Shulk at regular old ass Gamestop despite it being some kind of "rare" stuffs or something.
If I wanted to get Yoshi plushes I could be swimming in them considering how much I've seen them in gamestop too.
However the functionality like in Mario kart to only unlock stuck stuffs is shit and needs to go.
Great you paid money for a costume! and now that figurine is going to collect dust and do nothing at all!
This is going to be great if you can do something with the link amiibos for ongoing play or something or very bad if it's only the key to a dungeon or some crap.
My ranty point is that SSB or SMM 30th anniversary use for amiibos is awesome.
regular amiibos use for SMM or MK or Splatoon is shite and needs to die in a fire.
More amiibo use is good.
Generally this.
BTW I'm getting the game and the amiibo anyway so I'll get to that content, that's for sure.
MrSaturn99
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I'll wait for full details to comment, but I can't say I like the idea.
The reason they keep screwing it up is because the smash bros functionality wasn't enough for people to actually see Amiibo as a game enhancement. It's still primarily seen as a collectible toy than something you really want to buy for a game, and because of this, they're slowly trying to make it more "attractive" as a piece of game content.
It's a weird battle they can never quite win: If the content's really good, people will complain that they're forced to buy a toy in order to get it. If the content's meaningless, their market's gonna shrink as it's limited to only people who either want the collection or want to drive up the price.
Awkward indeed. I always envisioned the amiibos to be just a thing for cosmetic stuff and/or a substitute for actually buying DLC. Now I hope this is just an Amazon France fuckup instead of it being the only means for the extra content. Because...that would be shitty to force a 20* toy to be the only way to acquire the content.
*Costs 20 nationally here. Fucking pricerunner says 15 but the store says 20 -.-
A Link to the Past
Banned
Nevertheless, it's a silly position that the content exists only because of the amiibo. It screams of "designed it, and then decided to lock it" like on-disc DLC often is.
Why should it already be accessible? Just because?
Yup, but considering the popularity of the stuff, they're highly incentivized to make the figures seem more valuable by locking more and more game content behind it. It's not going away, at least not for another couple of years.
Even still, a 'bonus dungeon' that has no bearing on the story isn't a huge deal. The bonus dungeon in Link's awakening DX was just that, a bonus dungeon. Neat color based puzzles rewarding a game-breaking damage buff. Not necessary at all in the long-run and not why that game is beloved in any way.
People will forget about this, it's honestly not a huge deal. A shame, but not a big deal.
It could also be "Hey, if we bundle this game with amiibo, we can make X more money than we would otherwise. What can we make with more budget for our HD remake?"
Projections for game sales could be way higher thanks to amiibo, therefore it increased the budget. There's literally no way to know this, as a consumer, though. You can be cynical all you want, but in reality you'll never know if this was deviously locked behind amiibo in a cash grab or if this is only possible because of amiibo.
TPHD will have the Hero Mode (without amiibo)
Sammy Samusu
Member
Well that sucks, hope they offer it for free for digital purchases, or at least sell it as DLC.
Sadly, I think this HD Remaster looks like shit and I won't be purchasing it.
Sadly, I think this HD Remaster looks like shit and I won't be purchasing it.
Astral Dog
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Looks cute, Link dog.In Europe at least, the Wolf Link amiibo can be bought with a limited edition of the game OR as a separate amiibo:
www.amazon.es/Nintendo-2000866-amiibo-Wolf-Link/dp/B019MOCBCY/
TwilightPrincess
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Would be nice if the "extra dungeon" (perhaps a dreamlike sequence) would be a playable demo for Zelda U.
It's the same fucking situation we had with Mario Maker. People here were outraged, disgusted when they learned about the 8 bit costumes, they told us about how their lives were so much better since they stopped buying things from Nintendo.
Then official word came, "Ah ok, it's not that bad". We don't know everything yet.
Then official word came, "Ah ok, it's not that bad". We don't know everything yet.
Linkstrikesback
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Yeah... I can't help but think if oot3d was launching now, the boss battle mode would have been an amiibo feature...
I would actually hate that. I don't want amiibo demos.
Calling this a whole extra "dungeon" is probably massively over selling it.
If it is an extra dungeon does that mean it will include an extra special weapon and an extra heart container that will make me more OP in the rest of the game than people who don't have it?
Could they just charge a little extra for regular purchasers to get the dungeon without the Amiibo?
If it is an extra dungeon does that mean it will include an extra special weapon and an extra heart container that will make me more OP in the rest of the game than people who don't have it?
Could they just charge a little extra for regular purchasers to get the dungeon without the Amiibo?
I still haven't played the LA bonus dungeon...
I had to rebuy the game AND a gameboy color to basically get a fucking dungeon.
Just rebuying the game I would have done it but the fucking console to go with it?
The way I see it's an improvement.
Also it's clear this dungeon is locked content on disc, I mean it's not going to be downloaded at a later date so it's clearly on disc and it's locked by an external mean.
it would exists if amiibos didn't exist anyway unless the dungeon requires amiibo use as gameplay mechanic.
If that's the case I'm actually very happy they're doing this.
Bots are better than you
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What's embarrassing is in this case really more related to subjective views.
For me, the outrage over a rumor about a common thing everyone in this business does one way or another, is more embarrassing.
Even more embarrassing is, that there are the usual faces again, who push the crying even more, despite obvious dislikes or disinterest for anything Nintendo hardware or their games.
And the most embarrassing thing is, that many of those crying "foul play" in here pay monthly for playing online, an essential part for many games today, pay big bucks for season passes, despite the content being sh*t (Arkham Knight) or still unknown (Fallout 4).
That, in context to a figurine for up to 15 $/, being sold seperately, that might or might not (important words right here) unlock additional stuff that in no way affects the game itself, is imo embarrassing.
And before anyone asks, yes, i pay for online (not happily), and yes, i sometimes do get season passes and i do own Amiibos, and this is why i don't see this as the bad thing that some make it seem.
Linkstrikesback
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Because the amiibo and the games should be separate products as far as I care. Unless it's something that literally cannot be done without them, Nintendo hasn't shown many ideas in that direction, the two should be separate. Massively overpriced keys are what they are if you don't want a bunch of Nintendo figures.
I dislike an extra merchandise tax to get the entirety of the game.
The exclusive ring from the Advance shop was literally useless, unless it gave you bragging rights on the playground or something. How is that comparable to a dungeon?
Please enlighten me because to me the only difference is that you have to buy a figurine instead of inputting a code or buying it from the eShop.
But Amiibo locked content is just DLC that makes you buy a figurine to unlock it. There's no other difference and nothing would have prevented Nintendo from creating the very same content and selling it on the eShop / offering it as a preorder bonus / giving it away / other.
You even admit that's most likely the case for Splatoon and if you take a step back and think it over I'm sure you will realize that's just as true for all the other Amiibo locked content.
No, I'm complaining that on disc content is locked behind toys.
evilromero
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Photo from Fam shows less tears of light needing to be collected.
A Link to the Past
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Oh, I guess I missed that part where I was proven wrong. The most we've seen of this game thus far is a higher rupee count, a nondescript dungeon, and the possibility that one of the quests will be less tedious. If Wind Waker HD or Ocarina of Time 3D released today, I would not be surprised to see WWHD bundled with King of Red Lions, and it would unlock Swift Sail, or OoT3D bundled with Epona, and it unlocks mirrored mode.
Watch it be just a bunch of Tears of Light missions in a cave.
I think the word you're looking for is COULD. It COULD exist without amiibo. That's for sure. Any extra content in any of the games locked behind amiibo COULD exist without amiibo. Even smash bros - you could save that stuff to an SD card.
Whether or not it WOULD is something we don't know and likely never will know. My guess is that all the amiibo money they're making and WILL make likely contribute to an increased budget for games.
"Hey, if we have amiibo stuff for the game we can make more money from amiibo sales, therefore we can increase the budget of the game to include amiibo functionality because that will guarantee X amount of amiibo sales"
Otherwise, your budget is limited to projected game sales and game sales only. Now budgets are based on projected game sales AND projected amiibo sales, therefore, they're incentivized to include content they wouldn't normally have the budget for.
The 4 smash amiibo characters can't reclass into anything else except other dlc classes so they're a fun addition, but kinda useless overall.
The models are nicer especially Robin's new model, but the game's also wasn't as rushed as Awakening was.
It's not just amiibo sales, it's also all other merchandise that they can push with the game as well (HI POKEMON).
vainglorious
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God I have such a boner for Twilight Princess I can't fucking waaaiiittt uuugh
Rats Off To Ya
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I don't pay monthly for online play, I've never bought a season pass, and I love Nintendo. And I think this is shitty.
It's amazing to me the way some people defend everything Nintendo does. If this was any other company you'd be all over them, but this is Nintendo so it's different. Somehow. smh
NeonZ
Member
It's content locked on disc, but would they even bother creating that content if they didn't have an Amiibo tie in to market with it? Where were my extra WW, OoT and MM dungeons in their remakes?
The presentation side is there, but they seem to go out of their way to gimp them in some gameplay aspects, like class selection and how they add support for some My Castle features, but not all of them, even though it wouldn't take much for most aside from some extra lines and a couple of stat tables. I guess they feared the Amiibo overshadowing the main cast.
It's not like amiibo content can be loaded onto the amiibo. NFC technology is nowhere near that good. It can store just kb so whatever amiibo brings has to be in the game's code.
So how would you do amiibo, knowing this?
Steve Youngblood
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I sort of feel like this touches on questions/concerns that people have been having about DLC from day one. Like one common thing I've noticed over the years is that people are often more troubled by Day 1 DLC than they are Day 30 or Day 180 DLC. This is doubly true if the content ships on the disc or the launch day code. And what you're arguing is "well, what if the content was specifically created for the Amiibo?" However, I feel like that would be equally valid for any DLC regardless of Amiibo. What if I told you that this other game's content was only created with the intent to make DLC money? Is it cut content meant to be included in the final product or additional content only made to make extra money?
These questions apply to ANY DLC. Amiibo-locked content isn't really special in this regard.
Bots are better than you
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No, i just don't buy the stuff that irks me. I didn't buy Arkham Knights season pass, but look, i didn't go online and rant about it.
Be sure, if i have to pay for yet another service to play online, if that happens with NX, then you will see me in the very thread about it calling them out and ranting. Because in this case, essential parts of games are locked behind a monthly paywall.
I guess self awareness is also locked behind amiibo. WWHD and OoT3D had nothing that TP HD won't have in the standard package.
Personally for me, I'm indifferent. I have pretty much every one of them so far, the thing is none of the benefits they've added are really tangible and some of their usage has been outright horrible (Mario Party/Amiibo Fes). However, if it subsidizes dev cost for games ... should gamers really complain?