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Naruto Shippuden |OT| The Filler Chronicles (Anime Only! No manga spoilers)
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That's an amazing picture. Hotdamn
Psycho_Mantis
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In that case Sasuke should be a Chunin as well, even the invigilator admits it. Shikamaru was chosen due to his tactical skills and leadership qualities.
MS Kakashi > Guy
Guy only wins when he does a suicide move....not much of a win.
JadedWriter
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Guy and Kakashi are best friends to the point where it don't even matter though, they'd never really fight the the death over anything. How even did Kakashi get a Mangekyo Sharingan? Or is that the hax Obito gave him?
JadedWriter
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Can't be as bad as hearing Dio in Macross 7.
It's actually god damn amazing, because I love the voice.
Rumblebones
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Sasuke's fight was interrupted before it could be concluded and he showed poor judgment in chasing after Gaara.
Shikamaru wasn't the only one to show tactical skills, and by that that point in the the series he had not shown any leadership qualities - which, by the way, weren't demonstrated by the vast, vast majority of chuunin and jounin in the series.
In terms of tactical aptitude, Naruto is no slouch and if we're honest about it he's had better feats than Shikamaru against opponents of much higher calibre. It just so happens that the manga tells us how smart Shikamaru is, whereas Naruto just pulls off crazy shit in between the bombastic exchanges and flashy jutsu.
I like Naruto but no way in hell was supposed to be promoted in part 1. Hell, I would be iffy to let even war arc Naruto lead a mission. He's strong but what good does that do if you cant you fall in some random trap because Naruto only knows how to go one speed?
He could win a fight but outside of the war times I dont think that matters much.
He could win a fight but outside of the war times I dont think that matters much.
When Kakashi killed Rin, his and Obito's Sharingan turned Mangekyo
Kakashi immediately passes out though.
Rumblebones
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It's been well established in the series that not all chuunin possess leadership qualities, i.e. chuunin can be leaders, that doesn't mean they always are, and the vast majority of chuunin we saw in the series were not in leadership roles or even leadership material.
There was no logic to holding Naruto back beyond maintaining some bullshit underdog angle.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Yeah, the only real difference between chuunin and jounin seems to be that jounin routinely take commanding roles, while chuunin only do that on occasion. There were plenty of chuunin that were very skilled (Izumo, Kotetsu) that didn't seem all that cut out to lead.
JadedWriter
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Oh I feel you and I love Koyashu, I just occasionally picture Gamlin going "Muda Muda" in my head and it cracks me up.
He had it for that long and it took Kakashi that long to get to grips with it? Sasuke must be laughing at him in that regard.When Kakashi killed Rin, his and Obito's Sharingan turned Mangekyo
Kakashi immediately passes out though.
Even in the end he's still lobbing Kage Bunshins at dudes with visual prowess hax bullshit.
JadedWriter
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Dat "OVER CATASTROPHE!" Sounds like some shit Dio would say too.
abstract alien
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Didn't Kakashi say at some point that it takes a huge amount of stamina to use his in comparison to an actual Uchiha member? Using something that advanced would be crazy for him, if so.
JadedWriter
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I went through Naruto at such a pace that I probably didn't absorb every minute detail so I'll take your word for it.
abstract alien
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My memory is pretty trash, so I could have pulled that from the abyss. Hopefully someone clarifies lol
Conrad Link
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Danzo wasn't an Uchiha and he still seemed pretty useful with his butt cheek or whatever implanted Sharingan.
I imagine there has to be some family advantage to it though or else it makes the fact you can just steal them and use them for yourself even dumber.
I remember people being impressed with what Kakashi was able to achieve with his one despite not being an Uchiha, but I might have just imagined that too.
I imagine there has to be some family advantage to it though or else it makes the fact you can just steal them and use them for yourself even dumber.
I remember people being impressed with what Kakashi was able to achieve with his one despite not being an Uchiha, but I might have just imagined that too.
Then explain why he was using it so much during the war arc when using it once on Male Ino (Deidara) that one time put him into a small coma/days of rest.
JadedWriter
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Did Kakashi also have like crap levels of chakra?
Kakashi dying and coming back to like granted him Jesus-levels of chakra.
the-pi-guy
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He said it used a lot of his stamina. But he was working hard between the first part, and Shippuden.
I believe in the original he said he was only able to use lightning blade like twice a day, but he was able to do it like 4 times a day later because he was working on increasing his stamina and chakra.
I believe in the original he said he was only able to use lightning blade like twice a day, but he was able to do it like 4 times a day later because he was working on increasing his stamina and chakra.
I wonder if this was the reason why Takehito Koyasu was chosen. Probably not, considering how many of his roles are basically the same type of character.
Speculation: He worked hard. Actual reason: Kishimoto stopped caring about the limits he had previously imposed.
I consider that his nerf. If he had even a decent amount of chakra he'd be too much.
JadedWriter
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This is true dude could fight, though he leaned on one attack far too much. Considering he could Mega Man you would think he'd have more of an arsenal, but he was good. Only really got out classed by dudes like fucking Itachi (mind raped on fucking sight) and the Akatsuki, upper echelon of them. I don't think he could've fought Deidara for example.
No it dumb, how long has he has this OP ability for. He can just barely use it twice on Deidara and months later he can just spam it like nobody business just to some bullshit off screen training. Lazy writing Kishi.
JadedWriter
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Maybe that Uchiha stone that Black Zetsu scribbled on has a "how to master your Sharingan" tutorial.
the-pi-guy
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Training to get better is a big part of the show. There are like whole chapters in the anime about improving chakra control and the like.
But I do feel the whole show is a bit inconsistent with power levels.
Nocturnowl
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I'd sooner we just got off screen stamina gain than 10 chapters devoted to Kakashi straining his eyeballs in the middle of nowhere.
I know that, but it feels more like Kishi doesn't want to write a story with Kakashi consequences of using it. Let not forget he just keep Gai alive for NO REASON, also the biggest we have no consequences moment in the series:
I think he relied on it because it was efficient. It's said he knows 1000 jutsu (may be fluff, who knows) but if he had better chakra I'm sure he'd reach further into his arsenal more often. Especially since he's so good with different chakra natures.
JadedWriter
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Yeah that's the thing. I would've preferred if he showed more than like two attacks. I liked him during the Zabuza fight a lot cause he used a good amount of stuff, but after that he was spamming Chidori. I don't even hate the attack, just wanted to see more of what he could do. Then after that he started using the attack that nullified attacks that usually half killed him.
I really thought we were about to get something when he faced him again in the war. Saying he'd use every jutsu he knows.
JadedWriter
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There was a lot of potential with a lot War arc stuff that was never delivered on.
Dusk Soldier
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Uh no. He used it twice against Deidara, which puts him in a coma. Then he doesn't use it again until the pain arc, where it again puts him in a coma.
The only time he spams Kamui is when he has the Kyubi Chakra.
JadedWriter
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I thought he did it one last time in the Pain Arc and the final time he did it kills him cause of the chakra drain.
He doesn't go into a coma in that arc, he fucking dies.
He uses it 3 times before he even gets Kyubbi Chakra (this is another whole level of stupid). This after he fights Zabuza and Haku group.
He later uses it 5 more times (just normal Kamui, not counting Lightning Blade Kamui and Kamui surikens.) The only reasons he can do the later are due to Tobi stupid wrapping out of death and just giving him his other eye.
Maybe Naruto recharged him again after he just, remade his eye that Madara yanked out and then immediately used.
Psycho_Mantis
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Sasuke dominated what was the strongest opponent in the Chunin exams. The invigilator explicitly says Sasuke is already at a Chunin level and tells him to go after him. Once again though, Sasuke would not be a good team leader.
No, Naruto did not have better feats.
Like with natural users, the strain becomes less the more you use it, however the damage done to the eye is not dampened.
Naruto in a nutshell?
foxuzamaki
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The only thing i dislike about the 8 gates is that it seems like kishimoto should have buffed the kages more, kakashi said when all 8 gates are released that it rivals the kages in power, but when it was finally revealed it was so above the kages in power as to to be almost on the six paths level
Honestly all the modern kages sucks, especially to the likes of the 1st.
When Onoki and Mei (due to a LARGE power increase) are your best kages, you got issues.
JadedWriter
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I liked most or part one and some stuff pre Pain arc...end of that shit made me rant, it's well documented in like two...three fucking threads. Then it just morphs slowly into Shitpooden. At least I liked the final battle.
At least I admit it. Doesn't help that I watch a lot of stuff so stuff does tend to leak out of my head. Seems to be like that with everything I watch. This is usually why I tend to go on the occasional rewatch binge with stuff.
It basically started to fail during the Pursuit Itachi arc.
JadedWriter
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Ghost Itachi or the living version cause once Sasuke got to Itachi and fought him I actually liked it and the dialogue leading up to it. Now him cruising around with the Hebi, most of that wasn't needed in my opinion cause they were just there to be jobbers and Karin was nothing more than a Phoenix Down and a Sasuke stan. That stuff worked best when she was made fun of because of it.
Kakashi increases the amount of jutsu use for every major encounter. I don't know why this is so surprising at this point. During the battle with Zabuza, Kakashi is spent after using sharingan, raikiri and a couple of water jutsu. Later on he averages 3-4 Raikiri per battle. Don't think it's any big stretch to think Kakashi can move from 2 Kamui to 4 (Gendo Mazo head snipe, lightning infused kunai warp, rasengan warp, and Naruto warp). Especially since it's pretty clear Kakashi is much more skillful in using the technique since its first reveal.
Really Kakashi's chakra is an insane handicap for your ever penultimate strong character to have. A handicap that is tapered with every battle so he can keep up with the Joneses. He is still incredibly reserved in his output.
*edit* I'm still surprised at the hate for the War Arc. Mechanically at the very least, the fights were so very good. Like the end of a videogame, take everything you had before and find new meaning when you view the old in a new context.
Really Kakashi's chakra is an insane handicap for your ever penultimate strong character to have. A handicap that is tapered with every battle so he can keep up with the Joneses. He is still incredibly reserved in his output.
*edit* I'm still surprised at the hate for the War Arc. Mechanically at the very least, the fights were so very good. Like the end of a videogame, take everything you had before and find new meaning when you view the old in a new context.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Not at all, I think the only two dips in the series are the beginning of Part 2 and the War arc.
Naruto, especially part 2, gets downplayed far too much. It's almost like a go-to for people saying that anime was a fad or describing a series that fell from grace. It's a great series for about 80% of the story. The hate is unfair.
The anime definitely got worse with Shippuden, which is just as unfair. The soundtrack is way worse, and the filler is badly inserted and paced. A "Shippuden Kai" would be awesome.
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